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Meet the cast of Kingsglaive: Final Fantasy XV By Erren Van Duine on May 26, 2016 at 12:04 AM

Following its appearance in Japanese magazines this week. Square Enix has gone up with official renders and direct feed images featuring the latest scoop on Kingsglaive: Final Fantasy XV. Specifically, we’re given a closer look at the Kingsglaive themselves – the royal guard tasked with protecting King Regis Lucis Caelum, given access to the kingdom’s crystal magic.

Nyx Ulric

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Nyx is the hero of Kingsglaive, having been saved by King Regis during the war when he was very young. As a result he feels indebted to the king. He’s a skilled fighter with a close affinity to the magic of the royal family.

Lunafreya Nox Fleuret

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Lunafreya – or Luna – is an Oracle who speaks with the Gods and is tasked with the purification of the energy in the world. She still holds dear the moments she spent with Noctis during their childhood. Luna was supposed to be meeting with Noctis for their wedding in Altissia, but instead she’s made her way to the imperial capital of Insomnia to make an agreement with the king of Lucis.

Drautos

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The commander of the group, Darutos is hard on others as well as himself and came into his position through hard work. He’s somewhat of a master to Nyx when it comes to battles.

Libertus Ostium

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Libertus is Nyx’s best friend who came from his hometown. He’s the cheerful one of the group and has a strong sense of responsibility, but can also be emotional and somewhat stubborn.

Luche Lazarus

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Luche considers himself the leader of Kingsglaive. He’s done well to earn the trust of the other seasoned guards due to his intelligence.

Crowe Altius

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Crowe is a special case who can use advanced magic. She comes from the Lucian frontier as an orphan and considers the Kingsglaive her family.

For a closer look at Kingsglaive, check out even more screenshots and our earlier report here – including a look at the Ahriman, and magic such as the Shift (Warp) ability.

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  • nziab

    They make it really hard to believe that some of these are CG renders.

  • bevden117

    Awesome thanks! Can’t wait to watch this I’m hoping to hear a release date @E3. I’m very curious to know why Luna is even there.

  • alexis

    Oooooh man, these are glorious. Someday its going to get to the point where they may as well just make it liveaction to save money on the development, since it’ll look identical anyways LOL

  • alexis

    I’m calling it, Drautos is related to Cor Leonis. Slightly similar faces (especially the ears) not to mention he is for some reason the only member without a last name. Probably because they are waiting to say that its Leonis πŸ˜›

  • Shad Kuro Neko

    Is so hard to see this as a Final Fantasy movie, sounds like Spirit Within or some movie Cg West game and etc .. the expressions of the characters suffer from a realistic excessiveness that … is so difenrete of Advent children for example. . sorry, but I do not like it.

  • stevenm281

    go see the screenshots from the report, they’re using FF magic spells, and there are FF monsters, its nothing like Spirit Within.

  • Shad Kuro Neko

    I’m talking about aesthetics.

  • NewestType

    The aesthetics are better because cg technology has advanced.

  • I think I know what you mean…it’s clear that SE is trying a more hyper-realistic and kinda westernized approach to Kingsglaive visuals distancing themselfs from the semirealistic-anime style they used on Advent Children (and all the other CGIs they’ve done so far). I have mixed feelings about it, but overall I really like what I see in Kingsglaive.

  • Artemis Polara

    That would only work if Cor also had that scar on his forehead as well.

  • Zenobia Joyner

    I will always put my honey bee prompto first but i can’t ignored the girl crush i have on luna design for the movie i love so much πŸ™‚

  • Jesus Christ

    Bless the graphics.

  • Shad Kuro Neko

    Sim, Γ© bem sobre isso que estou falando, vale lembrar que a Square nΓ£o Γ© o estudio produtor do filme, apenas financiador e o diretor tambΓ©m nΓ£o Γ© o tabata (ou nomura) e sim eu notei que vc Γ© BR tbm -qqqq

  • Shad Kuro Neko

    It’s not how it works friend.
    Advanced technology does not necessarily mean that something needs to be hyper-realist aesthetic, a good example is the own FFXV Agnis or philosophy or the CG film of Saint Seiya etc…

    And it’s not ’cause something is hyper-realistic necessarily be “better”

  • Deivid Verdugo Abad

    I think I almost prefer this cast than the one in the game. Not sure if it’s cause the “western-friendly” aesthethic, or cause I feel that there are more interesting, adult and deep designs in Kingsglaive. Noctis and co. are not bad though

  • I dont like that the VAs dont sync up with the game.
    Plus the characters look to average in their faces. They look like people you’d see jogging down the street just minus the armor. Plus the clothes while interest is too military for me. Something i hate.
    I like my stories serious and epic and as far removed from reality as possible. As the more realistic something something the more of a reminder of how boring life is to me.
    Thats why I’m glad the game is suppose to reach high fantasy moment by the end.

  • You better bless the game so.it doesnt have glitches in it.

  • Yeah spirits within was just a gun scifi movie.

  • I prefer anime style art not realistic western style. I know one day anime will die out tho. Its too pop to do thing “down to earth”.

  • stevenm281

    Why would a father/son or uncle/nephew or brothers share the same scar?

    Most likely, a scar occurs during your life, you’re not born with it, except in some rare cases.

  • stevenm281

    This looks awesome!!! OMG!! Lovin’ it, I would so love for a North American theater release (more specifically, available in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.)

    I wonder if they’ll bring a new trailer to E3?

  • I guess its illegal to catch a tan in Insomnia.

  • People are saying the XV leads suck since.they’re. “Teenage models”. But even though I’m 30 i never felt i had to play older characters. I’d play a game about a kid or teen if it was fun and deep in story.

  • MarioLazor

    That doesn’t necessarily make it worse either. It’s just different, I happen to like it. Not everything made in Japan has to be in the Japanese style to be good, Metal Gear Solid is a prime example of that. They’re allowed to adapt different styles, just like us westerners do so in the same vain.

  • BLACK_HOLLOW

    lack of diversity here….

  • NewestType

    Or whatever Klonoa is. I’m fine with that too lol.
    Plus I’m not sure teens can afford Roen

  • NewestType

    “friend”. Square always was a company who thrived on presentation. And WOW CG looks better than advent children. Because AC was made in 2000something. AC can’t compare with most cg today because of… computers. That’s why cloud looks more realistic in in FF7R. THOSE SICKLY PORES. Yum…

  • Allan

    Yeah, after all, it’s a game! Some people don’t make any sense, I’ve seen some people argue about the age of FFXV characters and then say they want KH3…. I don’t remember Sora being an old guy (‘-‘ *)

    The characters must fit their roles in the game, regardless of age

  • NewestType

    I want to imagine so many funny scenarios with that idea.

  • NewestType

    I think some people are aligning themselves with characters these days. I wouldn’t be caught dead in Marle’s Outfit from Crono Trigger. But I wasn’t ever judging video game characters that way. Unless it was Boogerman… I hated that guy.

    Makes me hope those folks aren’t that judgmental when they see people dressed different from them in RL.

  • 4FFAN

    Luna looks bomb

  • 4FFAN

    Teenage? They look like young adults to me…like early 20s…I heard Gladiolus is 25, it definitely fits his appearance. I guess because of the “emo” style (and personality) Noctis has, people assume he’s a teenager…Stereotypes you know.

  • Yuntu

    I suggest playing in Japanese if the voices really bother you, as far as I know those actors line up with the game.

    And well they are a military group protecting the King and they are just normal people outside of that … so well they look normal with military gear.

  • 4FFAN

    Agreed…but it’s final fantasy so I’m not surprised…Think about it, the series has existed for 30 years and we’ve only had 2 black main characters in the main series…

  • Yuntu

    She wants to talk to Regis about something, Probably her marriage to his son.

  • Yuntu

    What if Crowe is the short haired girl we saw in the car in one of the trailers?

  • Yuntu

    Noctis doesn`t really have a emo personality. Nothing against you but that term “emo” always used when explaining FF characters like Cloud or Squall is just stupid.

  • alexis

    I said he’s probably related, not that he’s Cor himself lol

  • 4FFAN

    I don’t think so…they would’ve kept the hairstyle…they did for every character.

  • I just want them to look like individuals that stand out. They look like the same person just older or younger.

  • I like Noctis. I dont find him emo. His mother died and he has sleep issue due to truma. Seems legit.

  • Exactly. Sora is 15 now and the O13 are in their 20s and 30s. Is it so strange for them to interact and fight? Is the story is written well age doesnt matter.

  • Probably not

  • Shad Kuro Neko

    It is normal for people here in the West like things with Western visual, but sorry, I do not like, I do not like to see FF go this way

  • Shad Kuro Neko

    Advanced technology does not necessarily mean that something needs to be hyper-realist aesthetic. And, stop…
    Just…. stop.

  • Yuntu

    Ehm we didn`t really saw the girl in trailer only a short sideview, well atleast this is my only guess I ahve outside of it being Gentiana.

  • Yuntu

    They look like different persons to me.

  • alexis

    Ultimately it doesn’t affect my excitement, but I wish we could’ve seen a little variety amongst the cast. They’re all “white” people of relatively similar age range, and they did the ‘one girl per team’ thing. The fact that they all wear similar monotone outfits doesn’t help (though of course that’s just the style of Lucis). It’s a nice design on its own, but for a group that was already monotonous in other aspects, it doesn’t really do any favors…. Just a little nitpick of mine.

  • Noctis Pendragon

    Which girl are you talking about ?

  • Noctis Pendragon
  • It’s literally all white people. What a joke.

  • Yuntu

    Well Luna also looks older in the movie. Just speculation on my part.

  • BLACK_HOLLOW

    Sadly true. And it’s not just black people they’re lacking, it’s many different race of people they could’ve put in the series. I love final fantasy and I’m sure they know that they have different race of people playing their games. They should want to create characters that gamers of different backgrounds can see themselves in…smh

  • D.3ND

    Excellent.

  • 4FFAN

    But we did see her hair. She has short dark hair. She’s probably a minor character. Tabata said there would be a girl joining the group for a SHORT part of their journey…that’s probably her. And I don’t think it’s Gentiana ’cause Gentiana also has long black hair.

  • 4FFAN

    Those characters aren’t part of the main cast, they probably aren’t part of the Kingsglaive either…They’re probably just random background characters or minor characters…I mean the issue with racial variety in Final Fantasy has never been with background characters. There has been variety there for quite a while, but the main cast is almost always all white.

  • 4FFAN

    I agree whole heartedly!

  • THANK YOU!
    I guess Insomnia is NOT based off Japan.

  • Still not a lot of variety and also most are male and also notany are leads.

  • Sure there is: white whiter whitest.

  • Yeah add latinos or native american if that hate adding black people.

  • Everyone in Insomnia applied for a Pale Grant.

  • Staci Toner

    Almost all final fantasy characters look white. Doesn’t mean they are.

  • Well with European names and euro voice actors and western aesthetics….

  • D.3ND

    They all Part of the Kingsglaive the uniforms are a dead give away and there are more female members check the other screenshots.

  • D.3ND

    Nope, it’s not.

  • Except these people literally look the same. There’s a difference between a cast of light skinned characters who are differentiated by things like hair color and unique facial characteristics and a cast that looks like someone’s OC who can only draw one face.

  • stevenm281

    the architecture of the city is from a Tokyo District, don’t remember the name, the one where the Square Enix Headquarters are, they never mentioned anything about the citizen themselves, they just mentioned the buildings and such.

  • StickySock

    What’s wrong with SE? Don’t they know that white characters are bad? Particularly if they’re male? Who cares if they have an “artistic vision” they are trying to portray? The only thing that matters is if they have the diversity among the cast at least to the extent of the Magic School Bus.

  • CallMeGod

    I would had to disagree because I actually like this concept of fantasy based on reality where there is a mixture of fantasy and reality to the game.

  • But they said they’d base the world off the real world. So far I see no influences other than Asian and European. Be it with people or architecture. And for this place to be based off Japan just like the other place is based off Venice of Italy, shouldn’t it have people that reflect that? And if not, then there should be more than just white people there if it’s not gonna be JUST Asians in the Shibuya style city.

  • 4FFAN

    Well, even IF they are apart of the Kingsglaive…doesn’t change the fact that there is only one ethnicity in the main cast. It’s an all white cast.

  • jamurjamban

    maybe because it’s a fantasy game. developer can do whatever the want and give no shit about this world racism issue.

  • Morgan

    Hahaha I agree. This PC crap is what ruins games. I could care less. And obviously there is some diversity in this group if people would bother to pay attention.

  • Yuntu

    Ehm the Kingsglaive group is made up of mostly immigrants. So Noctis is probably more akin to a native Insomnia.

  • Yuntu

    No they don`t all look the same … that argument is so stupid, sorry.

  • BLACK_HOLLOW

    You’re right about the people doing what they want, but it being fantasy game is not the reason…plus, i’m trying to bring up racism…I’m just saying that they should mindful of the people that play it…

  • Since when was it made of inmagrants? I never heard that till now. Sounds like retcon.

  • Yuntu

    They mentioned that with this news, but this site here didn`t include that fact. In fact you can see it more clearly in this pic:

    http://gematsu.com/gallery/cache/kingsglaive-final-fantasy-xv/may-26-2016/Kingsglaive-Final-Fantasy-XV_2015_05-26-16_026.jpg_600.jpg

    we never had any details on what the Kingsglaive group is outside of them being soldiers. So this is the first info we got, hardly any retcon.

  • Yuntu

    “The Kingsglaive guard was established with
    a focus on immigrants. Although criticized by some, carry out their
    missions with pride.”

  • Socrates186

    So sick of people acting like they own this game. Listen, just like another user commented earlier, their artistic vision is their own and they are free to do whatever they want with it. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it.

    Who cares what race they are? Race is just a social construct, the people that are complaining about the lack of diversity are the first racists.

    I’m really looking forward to this movie, seems pretty awesome so far, I hope they live up to that 10 year anticipation mark though…

  • stevenm281

    you tell ’em! I’m sure the movie and game will be excellent, I’m quite easy to please when it comes to FF.

  • stevenm281

    you’re never satisfied aren’t ya…

  • Limbs4wings

    your comment on his comment on Toner’s comment was stupid. You had no counter argument to offer.

  • Limbs4wings

    it’s not about racism at all…it’s that the characters are as bland and generic as they could possibly be, which is why people are reacting the way they are.

  • SuicideSancti

    Strong is your sarcasm sir. Me likey

  • SuicideSancti

    Would you be mad if I say all asians look the same?
    Oh right… That’s racist and I can’t say that.
    My bad.

  • Luiz Augusto Alves Leopoldino

    I guess sometimes those games lack something regarding this subject but there are many other games with the same problem. Dragon Quest for an exemple, has the same problem if we think so. FF has VIera, AL Bhed, Guado, Miqo’te, Cetra, Red XIII’s race, Dwarves, L’cie and others. Maybe they create different forms of racism inside the fantasy of the games the be somehow alike ours or entirely different.
    Wakka is not a white protagonist, he is somewhat asian like people on fillipines and countries around, Minwu is someone of the middle east or north africa, Umaro a Yeti, Red XIII, Cait Sith, Vincent a vampire, Aerith a Cetra, Kiros on FFVIII, Zidane is our(sayan) monkey-tailed guy, Vivi, Freya, Quina, Kihmari a Ronso, Fran, Reddas, Sazh, Rapha and Marach, Construct 8, Byblos. Some are monsterlike others are similar to what we have on reality, but i don’t think that it makes these games racist.

  • Emmanuel Diaz

    looks interesting no one can judge the movie but to watch it firsthand not by trailer. Although i really hope SE could make a FF movie with similarities of the lord of the rings or game of thrones likeness. having the warriors of light adventuring to save the world defeating evil along the way, having blackmage, paladin, bards, a FF universe world in one and having epic fights, wars etc bring that more SE.

  • When I play Final Fantasy, I expect the characters to be visually distinctive. Take a look at previous FF games. In 13 for example, each of the playable characters could be instantly identified because their appearances varied from one another. Pink haired Lightning, blond bandanna wearing Snow, silver haired blue-green eyes Hope, and pig-tailed red haired Vanille.

    In Kingsglaive? We have combed back dark haired white guy Nyx, combed back dark haired white guy Luche, combed back dark haired white guy Libertus, and short dark haired white guy Drautos.

  • Sure i am. I have no complaints about Noctis or his.powers or the.open world or how.the.game looks or sounds. I also love the towns. The giant summons are cool too. The gods being a.driving force is welcome too. I legit love a lot about this game. And i plan to get it day one.
    I’m just also a really angry person who has had.his expectations and dreams crushed.

  • Odd.

  • I can accept it. But why no latino or native american or jamacan immagrants. Seems most just white and asian as per usual.

  • 4FFAN

    There’s no warp ability in that other article you linked…No ahriman either.

  • 4FFAN

    Look, nobody said they wouldn’t watch it because of the lack of diversity. No need to get frustrated and agressive about it. People are just saying that there is a huge lack of diversity in the Final Fantasy series…and it’s a fact. And people are saying that it would be nice to be able to identify to some characters, but the lack of diversity makes it hard. As a black person, I have to say that the lack of diversity has bothered me, but I still love and will keep loving Final Fantasy. You people need to understand that having diversity, whether it’s in video games, movies or tv shows, is about more than “artistic vision”. Look at the video game industry in general. How many games are there with an all black cast? I can’t name one. All white cast? FF12, FF15, FF8 and the list goes on…. Why would their artistic vision only focus on white people? What’s the problem with having a little diversity? Having diversity in video games would only make the experience richer. So YES, people like me do care what race they are. And NO we are not racist for caring. We just want to be able to connect in a better to the characters. And if you have a problem with us caring about our representation in different medias, then you should probably rethink your reasoning. If we stand here and say nothing, then nothing will change. Freedom of speech exists for a reason and we’re using it in the right way. You shouldn’t have a problem with that. Just sayin. Have a great life πŸ™‚

  • SuicideSancti

    Dude, I feel you. I’m from latin america myself coming from mixed European and Central American background in a country where 80% of the population is black, go figure. Yet that does not stop me from respecting the asian people who make this game with an all white stellar characters. It is a little awful that when they try and make a black character they come off so stereotyped it’s shameful, though they are charismatic enough to easily be the one character that takes the steam off things (Barret or Sazh).

    Man, all s’am saying is just chill, I understand our need to identify ourselves with the characters that we play as (everytime I come across with a sassy character who speaks with an accent I can’t help but like him in some way, like Al-Cid from FFXII). But if their story doesn’t include this type of characters… Well, I guess they envisioned an European descent cast with unpronounceable Latin names.

    it is going to be a great story from the final fantasy creators that we all love as fans, and we definitely do have to respect their vision and whatever characters types they choose to include in. As a creator, I wouldn’t base myself writing, drawing or painting whatever other people wanted, wouldn’t that be… ungenuine? It’s like you want to be liked, instead of expressing your art as you, the creator, want it to.

    Sorry if I came off a little rude or whatever on my first post, not my intention, but it does pisses me off seeing internet people trashing the game/movie just because it isn’t what they want it to be.

  • SuicideSancti

    Btw, I think there’s at LEAST one black character per FF game… This doesn’t really help our case, but they do try to include diversity. Like Reddas in FFXII, Kiros of FFVIII… The list goes on. I agree it’s be nice to show more types of characters, specially in a world like we live nowadays. But hey, i choose to respect their art, hoping for it to be as great as they want it to be.

  • One per game? Just one? In a whole world of characters? Does that add up?
    And what about all the other minorities? Don’t world build then ignore a whole race of people when you say “based on reality”.

  • Based on reality. That include EVERYONE. Not just who they decide are worth including.

  • If we can respect them and buy their games, they can at least stop pretending we don’t exist and creating their perfect white-washed fantasy worlds. It was something I tolerated back in the 90s. But now I’m about to be 31 when 15 comes out. All minorities of all races and creeds and life-styles deserve to be treated like they matter. This isn’t about artist license, this is about being a caring human being. You see a people that you know you’ve ignore, do them a solid and stop ignoring them. I get the same thing at work. On campus. As I walk to my house. If I see Asian on White people they’re trying their best not to look me in the eye. It never stop hurting.

  • Having white characters is fine. But don’t ONLY have white characters. You’re over simplifying this.

  • SuicideSancti

    Yeah. I was in the US just a month ago, don’t know if you’re talking about specifically about that country but, i could definitely feel what you’re talking about. However this negative side of our ugly world does not need to translate into these games. Take GOT for example… It’s mostly an all white cast, great show, goes along with the story… I don’t know what else to say man. I’d tell you to try and not take it too personal, but it may sound cold hearted.

  • SuicideSancti

    If you ask me they all have very distinctive facial features, done with the prowess of SE art division. Please keep in mind that while “diversity” would certainty be nice if done well, it is not a necessity. It’s their story, they can tell it however they want to.

    The real question is… Why are Japanese creators making an all white cast characters? Following the Hollywood white washing syndrome?

  • SuicideSancti

    Thank you, you kind sir. That’s exactly what I think.

  • SuicideSancti

    My guess is that she wants to call it off. What do you think?

  • GOT? Game of Thrones? That show doesn’t pretend Africans and Latinos don’t exist. They just don’t live in that area. In some JRPGs they’ll let you travel the WHOLE WORLD and never see a black or brown person. That’s what I mean. LotRs same deal as GoT. It’s Europe in the medieval times, I get that few black people are there. But they never pretend it’s a Utopia devoid of “ugly minorities”.

    I mean the US. It’s not outright hate but at least here in Viriginia Asian student attending the Old Dominion University in Norfolk never want to be helped by black people. I work a book store and the only want help from white and asian employees. It’s been like that for 8 yrs.
    I wouldn’t hurt so much if it was just some, but all my life I’ve have almost no asian friends, and not from lack of trying. And forget about Asian girlfriends! I like the art, the manga, anime and JRPGs. I’m a fan but not the dress-up or trying to speak the language kind. So I don’t understand why they find me repulsive.

    One asian co-worker explained it that black people are too blunt and gruff. They come off as brutes so they’d rather avoid even talking to us. The stereotype is that the slightest insult will be met with a savage beating. I won’t lie, I’d beat the shit out of a person who PURPOSELY insulted me. But If I know you mean no harm and just make a mistake, I’m reasonable. A “sorry” is all I need.

  • stevenm281

    I haven’t seen warp, I saw Protect, but I did see the Ahriman, he’s flying.

  • stevenm281

    You forgot the first part of the quote to put emphasis on what you want.

    It is a FANTASY based on reality, so No, it doesn’t have to include everything and everyone, it just have to use some aspects of reality to create the fantasy they envision.

  • stevenm281

    I’m so sick of people acting like little bitches when it comes down to artistic visions.

    Let’s take Hollywood for instance, most of white producers do hire people of every ethnicity, people with disabilities, people of various religious groups, sexual orientation, etc.

    Now take a Latino or Black producer, and look at his/her movie, they will almost exclusively hire people of their own ethnicity, so who’s truly racist here?

    Artists are allowed to have a vision, and yes its more than normal that their vision will reflect their entourage, what touches them the most, and that may not include EVERYTHING that exist on the planet, and they don’t have to be insulted for the matter, nor should they have to bend to your will or your desire.

    I am one of those players that needs to identify himself with a character, but I never associate myself with a specific gender or race, I identify myself with the personality of a character and that is what you guys should do instead of crying about the color of the skin of the character.

    Either you guys stop complaining, or you become artists/developers yourself and create your visions.

  • Yuntu

    Ehm there are such things, did you look at the picture?

  • stevenm281

    he’s blinded by his anger

  • Yuntu

    And your comment on my comment on his comment was stupid. You had nothing productive to say.

  • 4FFAN

    First of all, no need to be disrespectful. Second of all, in the movie, I agree. There’s actually quite a lot of diversity and it’s also good on TV. But video games is a totally different story. I never said artists aren’t allowed to have a vision. As I said multiple times, I love and will keep loving Final Fantasy. Does the lack of diversity stop me from enjoying the game? No. Am I going to watch and ENJOY this movie despite of the lack of diversity? Yes. Btw, I do identify with the characters’ personalities, not just with their skin color. I just said it would be NICE to have a little representation. Is there really a problem with asking? I’m not forcing my hand on Square Enix. I’m not saying Square Enix is racist or anything. I’m not going to start boycotting their products because of that. I’m not crying. I’m just voicing my opinion. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. I shouldn’t have to be insulted because of it. Thank you.

  • 4FFAN

    I don’t understand why you feel like I disrespected Square Enix though. I’m not mad at anyone. I totally respect Square’s work. In fact, their games are my favorite. And I enjoy them a lot. I was the one who said “THIS MOVIE IS GON’ BE LIT” and now some people are acting like I committed a crime because I said “Oh there’s a lack of diversity here”. I’m super excited for this movie, I was just stating a fact. Why do people get offended when we talk about race?

  • stevenm281

    While yes, I may have been harsh, the amount of complaining is so huge that it becomes extremely irritating for true fans that respect every part of the developers decision. I don’t agree with every part, but I still respect their decision and I will abide by it, as I have lot of admiration and respect for artists being one myself.

    My comment was not addressed to you personally but to all complainers that keep repeating themselves over and over again.

    You guys should see a video game as a painting in a museum.

    You don’t like the painting? You go see the next one, you don’t harass the artist about the fact that his painting is not the way you want, its totally disrespectful.

    Art does not have to be politically correct.

  • stevenm281

    Its because the topic has been on repeat for so long, from more than just you, and now, true fans, the ones that don’t judge and complain, have reached their limit and can’t hear about this anymore.

    If you guys cannot be happy with the actual product, which wont change before release, and you cannot let go of your disappointment, just move on to another game, and let us enjoy this game peacefully.

  • stevenm281

    They don’t pretend you don’t exist, you’re taking things way too personal and you’re overthinking their creation process.

    Stop buying their games instead of complaining, plain and simple.

  • 4FFAN

    And that’s why I take what you say personnally. You keep saying “you guys” and “you people”. Like I’m super excited for this and I will enjoy this movie and the game. And I’m not disappointed at all. Anyway…as you said, let’s just move on. I

  • 4FFAN

    I just wanna say, I’m an artist too. I draw, and sing. BUT, the truth is, when I draw something or an original character. I picture and imagine the traits I want that character or that thing to have. An artistic vision isn’t just something that comes out of the blue. If I decide that my character is going to be black. Then he’ll be black. If I decide he’s white. Then he’s white. Square’s art does not control them, they control it. So if they want to create diverse characters (which they have as we’ve seen in the screens) then they will. But, for some reason, these characters are rarely main characters. Problematic, not so much. Would it be nice to have a little racial diversity among the cast (especially in a world that KIND OF reflects ours)? Yes it would.

  • stevenm281

    You take it personally because you are among the complainers, if you wouldn’t be complaining, you wouldn’t take what I say personally.

    “you guys”, “you people” means I’m talking about a specific group of people, not a specific individual. It’s just a substitute to write so that I don’t have to repeat the same word (complainers) all the time.

  • stevenm281

    Yet, they are allowed to not create these specifics you’re referring to.

    They have a specific vision and they are true to it, why does it have to include every races?

    The whole idea of the main cast is to reflect a group of friend that grew up together and its more than common that while growing up, you might not have been around other ethnicity, it all depends where you grew up.

    In this instance, Insomnia seems mostly a white/asian place, so its normal that Noctis and his crew reflects that. Other regions of Eos feature other ethnicity.

  • 4FFAN

    I hope what you’re saying about the other regions is true.

  • SuicideSancti

    So much crying, I’ll just hand them a tissue.

  • stevenm281

    Have you looked at footage from Lestallum?
    Its mostly tanned people (which could represent latinos, malaysians, and other places of similar skin color)

  • 4FFAN

    Oh yeah I forgot about that town. Lol

  • stevenm281

    The more reason to wait to play the full game before complaining about lack of diversity.

    The complaining only starts fights among fans.

  • 4FFAN

    I don’t understand how me stating a fact about the series IN GENERAL, and the FACT that there is a lack of diversity among the CAST is complaining. It’s just facing reality, and saying “Hey this could be nice” If you had not started to insult people and complain about others and I stating facts. Then there would’ve no argument whatsoever. Anyway, I’ve wasted to much of my life trying to make people understand this stuff. Peace.

  • 4FFAN

    So a second ago, you’re like “Oh yeah I feel you and what you’re saying” and the next you’re mocking us. Two face much.

  • stevenm281

    While you may state this as a fact, others have literally been complaining about it, repeatedly, and it became more than tiresome.

    Furthermore, because its Art, it does not have to be politically correct, and a lack of diversity in this context is neither bad or good, its the vision they wanted for that product and thats the reality of the world they wanted to create, and we should just be enjoying it as it is without expecting it a certain way.

  • stevenm281

    Based on your “based on reality” logic:

    Since I am a person living in reality and I’m not present in the game, well it sucks and Square Enix should be damned for not putting me in the game.

    Fantasy based on reality means:
    A fantasy world based with aspects of reality, not a copy-paste version of Earth.

    You took the sentence way too literally.

  • stevenm281

    He felt you, not all complainers, because you’re being less of a douche about this, and you bring valid points, even though its not up to any of us to judge their vision.

    He’s mocking complainers in general, that doesn’t mean he can’t sympathize with one in particular.

    Is that really that hard to understand?

  • 4FFAN

    My bad, I shouldn’t have said that. I’m kinda dumb for saying that. Sorry. As for the artistic vision, it really depends how you see it. Are they making this game for theirselves or for us, the players, to enjoy? Probably both so maybe, some of us can give them little hints about what we’d like to see in the future or whatever. They don’t have to listen but it’s always nice to have feedback. Especially since we know people like Tabata listen to fans (to a certain extent)

  • stevenm281

    Artists/Developers make products for themselves, first and foremost.

    Then, once they’re satisfied, they do hope that others will share their excitement and their satisfaction, but if they don’t, its the other’s loss, not the creators whom are happy of their product.

  • 4FFAN

    They’re not gonna be happy if it doesn’t sell though and if it has terrible reviews (especially for FFXV since it has huge expectations) and that’s where the public comes in and becomes important. But of course, this isn’t some game based on fan fiction, we can’t expect them to create exactly what we want, but we can give them feedback and hope for the best.

  • stevenm281

    Now, we’re talking about two different groups: Developers, and Publishers.

    Developers get the satisfaction from their creation while Publishers get the satisfaction by the money made off the creation of the developers.

    A developer can be happy even if broke, as long as he’s satisfied of his creations, not a Publisher whom happiness revolves around making money.

  • 4FFAN

    For all I know, Tabata is a developer. And he wants this game to be the ultimate FF experience and have excellent reviews so, although I agree about what you said about the money, the reviews and public reaction to the game is still quite important when it comes to XV. But personally, I feel like Tabata listened to fans more than enough. Let’s keep the debate for FFXVI or XVII lol

  • stevenm281

    of course he’ll say this, he’s on a PR mission by the Publishers.

    Every FF director think of his FF as the Ultimate FF because their FF is being true to their own vision of the ultimate FF, every time a new mainline title is announced, the more or less similar speeches are made, its PR.

    It doesn’t mean that its true tho, as every artist working on a FF, every player playing the game, have a different vision of the Ultimate FF.

  • 4FFAN

    Well saying that he’s just saying that because of the publishers is pure speculation. If we stay with the facts, Tabata clearly wants fans to enjoy XV, and I don’t think he’ll be satisfied if we don’t but then again I’m speculating by saying that since he never said that himself. So yeah, we’re just speculating…which is kind of useless.

  • stevenm281

    I do believe that this is what he wants, but the only reason he has to openly say it so often is because of Publishers, they want people to believe this new game is the best of the best so that it sells to the mass.

    But before the product will be available to the public and see how well its received, he needs to be happy himself about the product itself before releasing it to others.

  • 4FFAN

    As you said, this is your personal belief so it’s speculation. It is based on facts though, and I do agree that this “FF is on the brink of destruction and XV is the only thing that can save series cuz its the ultimate FF experience” talk is probably a strategy for better sales.

  • Dongmatteezzy

    Definitely!!!! He’s so blinded by anger he literally took the meaning of “fantasy based on reality” like a carbon-copy of earth…….

  • Yuntu

    Ahriman is heavily re-designed, that`s why you may havn`t recognized it. And they can use the Warp, but yeah it isn`t showcased in the pictures.

  • When did I say they should be damned? All I’m saying it’s they know that there are other people out there than just the ones they are interested in and since this is 2016 not the 1920s they should be more mindful of their minority race fans as much as the white and asian ones.

  • Yes I did. Which ones were suppose to be African, Latino, or Native American?

  • stevenm281

    Art does not need to reflect all aspects of reality, don’t have to include aspects of everyone of its fanbase either, nor does it have to be politically correct.

  • stevenm281

    Instead of focusing on specific ethinicity, just look at skin color: there is white, brown, black… what more do you want…

  • Yuntu

    Yet here they have a movie focused on a group of immigrants fighting for their new countrys King in a world where each country represents a different culture of our real world.

  • You ignored the post where I stated what I love about their games.
    This is more complicated than just “stop playing their games and go shut up and do something else”. Even if I don’t play their games doesn’t change how I feel about what they did, have done, and continue to do. If I was ONLY singing their praises you’re have nothing to say to me. But since I say both praise and criticism about them I’m always told to stop buying the games and leave.

    If buying their games meant anything to them then the YEARS of me and other minorities buying their games would have been met with more than this kind of turn out where all the main characters are white or asian. They don’t want to change. That’s my problem with them. They like how they represent people or in some cases misrepresent them and to change would be admitting they’ve done those people a disservice.

  • stevenm281

    If you would focus on praising, I wouldn’t have much trouble with a bit of complaints, but you are not mostly praising, quite the contrary, you keep complaining and repeating the same complaints over and over again which kinda nullify the little enjoyment you seem to have.

  • Yuntu

    Front is a black guy, guy in the middle looks like a american/british countryman, right behind him is someone that looks like he is from asia (could be china?), besides the china guy is someone that looks latin yet his face is cut in half, the guy with red hair also looks american, then the guy with short black hair that looks up is the one I can`t really put in a country (could fit into Germany/Europe) and the older one behind him also looks latino.

    There doesn`t need to be every fucking race in a game to represent reality, but in this case there are tons of different races. The only once from the same race are the main chars because they are all 4 from the same country.

  • So in a fantasy world they envision it’s full of what they consider interesting and attractive and that means not many or sometimes ANY minorities? Square isn’t the only offender of this. Tales games do it. Persona games are always in Japan but even when they have a foreigner join the cast they will always be blonde and peach skinned if not flat out pale as snow. Legend of Heroes sometimes does it too. But at least they don’t let you travel the whole world to search for other races. Almost every games I like does it. Almost every JRPG. And even if there’s a few token brown people in the cast they’ll be non-main character or some kind of demi-human animal person hybrid. Like Rico in Xenogears.

    I don’t bring this up to be an asshole. I rock the boat because I always thought the reason things were like that in all the JRPGs in the past was because it was the 90s and 80s and they didn’t know any better. They didn’t know that minorities cared about their games. Followed their work. Liked their characters and stories and lore and worlds. But now in 2016 after all the years of supporting lots of JRPG developers (Square, Namco, Atlus, Media Vision, Monolith, Sony, Nintendo, Mistwalker, etc) my waiting and hoping and paying and suffering hasn’t been rewarded. And it looks like it never will.

    There very likely will never be more than one black old man dumped in with a stereotype personality in any of the JRPGs I play. And that makes me sad. Would it kill them to make a black woman who’s like 22 with a fighting style that’s a mix of swordplay and acrobatics and uses low level healing? It’s never been done. SO WHY NOT TRY IT? They may be surprised that people ACTUALLY LIKE IT! But if they do that would mean they’d have to continue that trend. And they don’t want to do that. It doesn’t fit them ideals, their agenda, their personalities, or way of life.

    Maybe there’s individuals in China or Japan or other Asian areas that don’t hate or dislike minorities like Africans and Latinos. Maybe they like them or some may only be uninterest one way or the other. But all I ask is that we move forward and call this period we live in what it is. There are people all over the world who go misrepresented or forgotten. Way more people than just Africans. That needs to stop. And if Square and anyone else in media or entertainment doesn’t care or doesn’t agree they need to go on record and admit it.

    Stop trying to have it both way. It’s okay to take the money of fans who are minorities but not represent them in their games.

  • stevenm281

    Ok, I’m done, you want to be a victim, so be it, feel as such, keep crying.

    You cannot understand artistic vision, and its your problem at this point.

    The problem isnt with the industry, its with cry-babies like you that cannot accept that fiction isnt reality.

    Why isn’t there such 22yo black woman? BECAUSE THEY NEVER ENVISION IT, and theres nothing bad about it.

    It’s your specific demand, and its up to you, not them, to make it become a reality.

    We already had this discussion, I’m done.

  • I never once call you a “cry-baby” or any other insult. This is what I’m talking about. If I say what you want to hear you’re fine. If I don’t I must be a cry-baby.
    And I’ll say it again. This is BEYOND games. And leaving it behind won’t change that it’s wrong.

  • Which of them are main characters in the movie?

  • The reason you don’t see me praising as much is because I’d just be echoing all the same praise most fans say. I’m saying what I’m saying now because most people don’t give a shit to say it. In all my 30 yrs of life I’ve met but a few people who gave crap about others over their own enjoyment. Especially when it came to games and shows.

  • Yet who are the MAIN CHARACTERS? If there one for each as a lead or only the white ones as leads?

  • stevenm281

    It’s not because you’re saying something different than me that I’m irritated, its because you keep on repeating the same complaints over and over again on every damn article about the game or movie.

    And saying you’re a cry-baby, is not an insult at all, its stating a fact, a cry-baby is someone that complains all the time about the same damn thing, which you are doing.

    And there is nothing wrong about the entertainment situation, only people like you believes so, and wrongfully so I might add.

  • stevenm281

    Its not that we don’t give a shit to say it, its because there is nothing to say about it in the first place.

    People like you act as if you’re entitled to decide how the product must turn out, while none of us have something to say on the matter, either we enjoy the results or we don’t, we don’t force our desire on others.

  • Actual ethnic features.
    It’s easy to just make a Ken doll tan and call him whatever. That’s what they did with back in the day Barbie dolls of the 80s and 90s.
    “Oh you want a black girl doll, well we’ll make a standard Barbie doll darker skinned and call her another name.”
    That is weak.

  • But they accept the money of all races and creeds.

  • stevenm281

    they’re not forcing you to buy their products if you’re unhappy with their artistic visions…

  • Because I like JRPGs but not everything about JRPGs.

  • stevenm281

    and again, its your problem, not theirs, I like them the way they are, whether they are realistic or not, whether they include gay people or not, whether they depicts ethnicity or not, etc.

  • I’m not forcing them to do anything. I’m just saying that it’s sad that they don’t care enough to do it on their own. No one should have to tell someone to do what I’m talking about. If I made a game I would NEVER do anyone like this. Because I care as a human being. I’m not gay but I know they exist. So they would deserve to be in my game. Because they are a people just like me.

  • stevenm281

    I’m gay and I don’t ask to have gay characters in every game/music video/movie/tv series, just for the hell of having some.

    I can relate to other types of characters as well, try something called open-mind.

  • wait wait wait. You just said calling someone a cry-baby is a fact? It’s an opinion on what determines “complains all the time” and if that’s an opinion than so does that make the term that follows. You can’t say “you do good all the time you’re a good person that’s a fact”. You don’t really have that call. You can say “you’re a good person, in my opinion.” I’m not gonna name-call with you. So you wanna call me “cry-baby”? Do your thing. And when I have something nice to say, you can call me “praise-baby” and when I have nothing to say you can call me “silent-baby”. Calling names means nothing. I’m still going to state my opinion as long as I have an opinion.

  • stevenm281

    Calling someone a cry-baby when he’s acting as such, is the same when a black person call another black person Nigger, they are not insulting, they are stating a fact.

    Same goes when people say that I look so gay, I don’t consider this an insult, I know its the truth, I do look the part, I’m not offended by it.

    Same goes with Fat people, they shouldn’t feel insulted when they are indeed fat, its a fact, etc.

    On the other hand, calling someone by something he/she isn’t now that is an insult.

    I have nothing against the fact that you state an opinion, I dislike that you must repeat it on every comment section of every article, we heard you, move on.

    I will always defend FF and artists in general for that matter, when they don’t deserve such criticism.

  • Yuntu

    The protagonist of this movie is Nyx where we don`t his origin outside of him getting saved by Regis during the war and taking in. The leads of this group are obviously people from Insomnia as its the duty from Kingsglaive to protect the king. And why should they put in a mainchar from each country? Just to please the people begging for diversity in every game that releases?

  • Because I for one would do the same for them. And i’m not alone.

  • Its not a fact. What are you talking about?

  • You should. Everyone deserves their due.

  • Open-minded doesnt mean just tolerating any old thing that never stops.

  • Yuntu

    Yeah thats fine and all, but SE is the one creating the game. If they want it this way, then they want it this way. There isn`t even a need to argue about is, I get giving feedback for the gameplay but the artistic vision for a game (where this fits under) is totally up to the developer and not to what the people want. FF never did this, so why should they change it now? Just because everyone else is budging in and listens to minorities? As long as it makes all sense there is litterally 0 reason to complain about this.

  • The reason to complain is that if i dont nothing will change. 17 yrs i accepted it. Now I’m 30. No more.

  • Yuntu

    Even if you nothing will change, this is just the way FF works in terms of artistic designs when its done by Nomura and Ferrari.

  • Limbs4wings

    My dear, posting on an internet thread can hardly be considered productive.

  • Yuntu

    Well I didnΒ΄t say it makes you productive, my dear.

  • Limbs4wings

    Aw, why did you have to make it about me? This was all about you all along.

  • Yuntu

    Okay.

  • Noctis Pendragon

    If you count NPCs you have way more than 1 black .

  • Most NPCs dont matter in the grand scheme of a story.

  • Sad. Things are never going to get any better.

  • Yuntu

    I don`t really see how thats sad, I mean I get what you want. But SE is not the place to look for it then.

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  • XenoSilvano
  • XenoSilvano

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  • XenoSilvano
  • XenoSilvano

    Imagine how affected a society would be on a psycho-social level if you had an industry that portrays white people as the hero character most of the time. SuicideSancti mentioned that ‘Race is just a social construct’ (which it is), however, let us not pretend that the notion is not very much relevant for our little monkey brains in the current cultural climate that exists.

  • XenoSilvano

    I read on an article somewhere that mentioned that white people probably would not take interest in a medium that had a predominantly non-white cast or non-white protagonist in it, which becomes a bit of a problem when you consider that white people represent the vast majority of people in the USA (72%) and in most western countries.

    San Andreas was different because it was made by a developer that had already gain a large amount of acclaim from their previous titles and therefore could take that risk.

  • XenoSilvano

    I am sure that you would be talking #### if the entire entertainment industry began to favour non-white people all of a sudden.

  • XenoSilvano

    Some people out there like to remain blind to the blatant injustice that is being done, believe you me, there would be a uproar of indignation where the same thing to be done to them, only then the would see.

  • XenoSilvano

    Nomura was the one who introduced the first black protagonist to the FINAL FANTASY franchise with Barret, all other protagonists before that where perssumably white.

  • XenoSilvano

    Do not fall for their trickery, they are using fellacious arguments in an attempt to decieve you by diverting the subject matter in directions that you yourself did not bring up (straw man).

  • XenoSilvano

    because they do want you to rock the boat

  • XenoSilvano

    You do not tend to see a lot of non-white people in medieval fantasy, look at The Lord of the Rings.

  • XenoSilvano

    It is a disgrace that western history is inclined to disregard the contributions and even the existence of black people in medieval europe.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGOEK2vUgAEdahv.jpg:large

  • XenoSilvano

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  • XenoSilvano

    KOKAYI5 has made it clear in their previous dialogues with you that they are female, why on Earth you are refering to them as a ‘he’ gives creedence to your continued ignorance.

  • XenoSilvano

    What the #### are non-white people supposed to do for cosplay, they are just going to feel awkward.

  • XenoSilvano

    FINAL FANTASY VII and VIII predate the term and notion of emo.

    emo is an outgrowth of punk.

  • XenoSilvano

    That impression is gotten from the fact that their all white and wearing similar looking uniforms, they look like soldiers, not warriors.

  • XenoSilvano

    Kingsglaive is mostly made by the same team that made Advent Children.

  • XenoSilvano

    Doritos?

  • stevenm281

    I’ve seen cross-gender cosplay, cross-race cosplay, why would this time around be any different?

    They never complained about the situation and still care a lot about the franchise and the characters…

  • stevenm281

    “They” are female? Who are you talking about?

    Referring to “them”? Who are you talking about?

    Don’t use plural when you’re talking about one specific individual, and furthermore, KOKAYI5 is not a female. Don’t let a picture fool you.

  • Staci Toner

    Then maybe they are white. Are Japanese people not aloud to make stuff about white people? It’s crazy how people expect something coming from Japan has to be Japanese or its a fail or incorrect. Maybe they wanted the characters to be white becausewhy else would they be. Who cares. Like noctis and his dad don’t look white to me.

  • Staci Toner

    ??? What does looking the same have to do with being white. Only 2 guys look the same and one is fatter. They are going for a realistic view, sorry we don’t have blue haired anime characters.

  • Staci Toner

    Also noctis, ingis, gladiolus, prompto. They all look different. The only character of the actual game that looks alike is Stella and Luna but they scrapped Stella

  • Yuntu

    Yeah and Barret was done so incredible well. /s

    Before Barret there where always different races you encountered in a FF. There`s more to a race than skincolor.

  • XenoSilvano

    Goddamnit! You’re right.

  • XenoSilvano

    Would you care to elaborate?

    Please name as main as you care to with some sort of valid proof please that backs up your claim.

  • Yuntu

    What? Okay. Barret was done in a way that just seems extremly racist. And other characters from different races would be Cid in FFIV from the Dwarves for example.

  • XenoSilvano

    They probably do not even have dialogue or face time

  • stevenm281

    Typical answer of a brat whom think the world owe them everything…

    Nothing is due to me, nor is due to you.

  • XenoSilvano

    Thinking about the character and his allusion to Mr. T makes me question how that is a racist portrayal (I do not know, maybe I am missing something.)

    http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_characters

    http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_II_characters
    http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_III_characters
    http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_IV_characters

    http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_V_characters

    http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_VI_characters

    Now, you could argue that the ethnicities of the charaters are never brought up and their names, despite being most European and Biblical in origin does not necessarily indicate ethnicity, however, you would assume that these characters are humes and from there you can claim that they are a representation us, hence, if they have light skin and western features then it is not far fetched to assume that they are white.

    I think that all other non-white ethnicities can rejoice if there is at least one non-white protagonist in the game. There are non-white people even in games like Kingdom Hearts (a series where Nomura was the character artist as well.)

  • Yuntu

    Why are you trying so hard to proof a stupid point?

  • XenoSilvano

    I wanted to reply back to you sooner but I was experiencing a few technical dificulties doing so on the smartphone.

    It is a controvercial issue within the gaming industry (in the western entertainment industry to a certain degree as well) that I think needs to be address and dealt with, there is a whole notion based on it known as “the face of gaming #### (insert year here)”. Before anyone begins to think that I am some social justice warrior, please understand that we do live in a messed-up where we have to deal with the cultural baggage that the people of prior generations left us with, until this bag of snakes is dealt with and we have some real equality around the world, political correctness aside, this sort of thing is just going to keep going on and people like me are going to keep bring it up because it very much is an issue, aside from that, just imagine how all this affects non-white and white people alike on a psycho-social level by living in a society where white people are prodominantly portrayed in a positive light, if you could see how life is from the perspective of a non-white person then I think you may assume a different opinion on the matter.

  • XenoSilvano

    Just to add in regards to my previous comment, there was a time when I was watching the news in a completely different country where the ancher bid the the viewers a farewell by saying something along the lines of “I would like to wish a good night to all (insert nationality here)”

    (0.0)… talk about being inconsiderate, I felt so excluded by them addressing nationals as if they are the only ones watching the news, they could have been more inclusive by saying something like “I wish that all viewers a good night”.

  • stevenm281

    Then maybe instead of complaining and crying about things, you, and people like you whom feel rejected by society should man-up and make some efforts to get inside the industry and change things from the inside.

    You want gaming to change? Do like Wan Hazmer, Lead Culture Designer of FF15, and get hired and look at what he’s doing? Implementing Malaysian culture into FF. He’s not crying nor complaining repeatedly on comment sections, quite the contrary he is super happy, even though being non-white from Malaysia.

    He’s got my respect and my admiration.

  • XenoSilvano

    check your privilege stevenm281, when europeans went around colonising other people lands, nobody asked them for visa. If we lived in a world where similar conditions preside in favour of another ethnic group then I would commend you as well for attempting to do the same, change things from the inside he says, as if the world that we live in is a level playing field.

    On an unrelated subject, so stevenm281, you enjoy taking it up the ass hun?

  • Allan

    You can see the warping ability in the Uncovered trailer (someone from the kingsglaive throws his dagger on the floor and suddenly appears there)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2I-5KPHqU

    1,09 – 1,11min

  • stevenm281

    OMG, don’t start with History lessons, the past is the past, leave it behind, gosh, if I would have to keep holding on to everything bad that happened to me, I’d kill myself, and yet, I keep on fighting and accomplishing things and improving my life everyday.

    Complaining doesn’t change anything, actions do.

    As for your last question, grow up, this is neither the place nor your business.

  • stevenm281

    I was mostly referring to the screenshots, not the trailer, but thanks for providing 4FFAN a proof that Warp is indeed part of it.

  • Allan

    oh, my bad! haha

  • XenoSilvano

    .

  • XenoSilvano

    Just like I mentioned in one of my comments to Yuntu, the problem is that we are not letting go of the past, the past is still very much affecting the present day. If we lived in a world where people were truely equal, how much would you like to bet that we would not even be having this conversation, pretending that it is not real is not going to make it go away.

    I was watching this video the other day where they mentioned the following quote: “Where we stand is not destroyed, we are not in ruins but in something waiting to be built, waiting to begin again, from these ashes we can rise and create beauty. The crumbling walls are not a representation of our failures, but a reminder of the lessons we have learned. So we continue on, not because we want to, but because we have to.”

    In the words of Carl Sagan: ‘A new consciousness is developing. Which sees the Earth as a single organism and recognizes that an organism at war with itself, is doomed. One of the great revelations of the age of space exploration is the image of Earth as finite and lonely.’ We are one planet.

    It is our combined responsibility to be the change we want to see in the world.

    Whops, replyed to the wrong comment.

  • Yuntu

    Yeah but seriously, this is just a game. It`s nothing worldchanging. I agree the issue is there, but gaming is the wrong place to start fixing it. Especially with games from Japan, because as you probably know they are a pretty closed country that doesn`t look that much into the west. Of course they realize when something is popular over here, but they live very much different lifes then we do.

    So all IΒ΄m saying is that games are not the right place to ask for equality, because games are art. Art is something used to express yourself with. We have no right to say to developers they “need” to put in more races or make equality important because its their vision not ours. Politic or stuff like that is where we should start getting equality in and not a medium used for entertainment, not art.

  • Yay background characters who will never speak!

  • SuicideSancti

    It’s true, there are already changes happening. It’s weird and sad how some people choose to see only what they want to nag about. SE has stated numerous times that the FFXV team is now composed of several and diverse people from around the world. There’s even a town modelled after a Cuban city! (Lestallum). Isn’t that fantastic? Latin American representing here. It’s not just about black people. Grow up. Stop translating your angst on something we all know and love, FF, just like Yuntu said, Video Games are not the place for this.

  • SuicideSancti

    Whoa dude. You were doing so well up until that last line. Shame on you.

  • SuicideSancti

    I respect your willingness to fight for what you think is wrong, and I agree there are places where discrimination is imminent. But man, you all need to chill, let final fantasy be final fantasy. You know what I mean? For all we know SE could hate black people, or latin people, or hindis, whatever. We don’t need to get into that, we’d be screwing up something we cherish and bet has given us hundreds of hours of joy. Let’s not think about this kind of things too much, shall we?

  • SuicideSancti

    Yeah well, nice argument self righteous prick

  • SuicideSancti

    Yeah, what kind of argument techniques are you using wise guy?

    **They are using**
    We have a race war people.

  • SuicideSancti

    It’s fine man. Hopefully we’ll get more diverse and genuine characters in a FF sometime. I’d reject it with all my heart if they were made just to please fans. So should you, so should everyone.

  • SuicideSancti

    Exactly.

  • SuicideSancti

    Nodoby owes you anything.

  • SuicideSancti

    While there still are, there story relevant characters.

  • If I treat people with respect then I deserve to be treated with the same respect. It’s not owed, but it’s basic decency. Here’s an example from just this weekend. I was raised that if I came into someone else’s home to greet them and be humble and respectful. My roommates this weekend invited a person to our house who didn’t greet me or even look me in the eye for 24 hrs. He avoided me in the halls of the house. We took turns using the bathroom and he would silently pass me in the halls still. That’s dead wrong. I wouldn’t do him like that so what makes him think it’s okay to do that? The same applies here. If Japanese people know they wouldn’t want people doing this to them, why do this to minorities?

  • More name calling. It hurts your argument everytime.

  • Exactly.

  • Soldier stuff always seems so devoid of anything vibrant. It’s like a person becomes a drone. Nameless cannon fodder.

  • You say it way better than I do.
    I don’t want to be treated special. I just want all the minorities to have a chance to be treated like human beings. And unless it becomes common practice in entertainment, that dream will never come.

  • That and a lot of time they want to try and make this personal. They want to turn this subject into a attack on me instead of the plain evidence before us. The fact is if someone wanted to make an anime making fun of the suffering of Jewish people during the Holocaust and added whacky sound effects to them being murdered and tortured that wouldn’t be okay at all. You can claim all the artistic license in the world, some things are just fucked up. And with the same level of passion a Jewish person would stand against that, I stand against going another year without speaking my mind about how these developers disregard the feelings of their minority fans.

  • Because for some reason people don’t like to empathize. They can talk you to death about their pain, but let someone else talk about suffering and it’s “stop whining”. I know how it feels to be bullied and hurt and ignored and told to shut up whenever you try to stand for something. So I try my best to stand up for the little guy. Because anyone’s suffering matters. It’s not a lonely thing. It’s something that left unchecked can never end.

  • Not enough of the link to access what you’re trying to show me.

  • But people always say that. Today it’s “don’t look for equality in video games”. Years ago it was don’t look for it in movies. Before that cartoons. If we shrug off that equality doesn’t need to be in our entertainment (something we see all the time, and, whether we admit it or not, influences us) then we’ll keep feeding the next generation the same mentality.

    “Oh samurai are long-haired beautiful heroes.” “Princesses get saved by knights” “Mother’s openly love kids, but daddy’s have to be gruff and toughen kids up” “Oh and it’s okay to make fantasy worlds full of only the right kind of people you think should be allowed to exist in it.”

    I was always told lessons by my parents. But they knew they weren’t always right. So after they said their piece they told me “Don’t just believe what I say. Go try it, live it, see if you agree.” And if I didn’t I didn’t follow their ways. But they don’t do that everywhere. They put what they want you to mimic in shows. In movies. In the news. In games. If they keep showing people that beauty is blonde hair and blue eyes, that’s what people will lust for. If they show people that a hero is a cute boy that’s Asian or White, that’s what they’ll desire to be saved by. And if they keep making game worlds devoid of other kinds of heroes, that just fit more of the same, then each generation will keep it going. When the new generation makes a game, they’re gonna call on the influences of their childhood. And repeat the same Asian and White lead MCs they saw growing up.

    Even now, I myself have been infected by that way of thinking on some level. If someone told me to picture an angel, the first time I think of would be a blonde woman in robes singing and flying with both motherly and sexy beauty. It’s ingrained in us. But we don’t have to let it stay in us. We can move beyond that. And have minority heroes working with the common ones. Whites, Asians, Africans, and more. All together.

  • Whoa. Too far. Just make your point and stand by it. Don’t insult people. Maintain maturity.

  • I liked Barrett when I was young, but yeah. He’s not a great role model. He was a freedom fighting helping people, that’s good. But he was violent and heavy-handed, and basically the stereotype of an angry nigga. Better example of a better black character would be Kiros. Though he was a nag.

  • 4FFAN

    It looks nice. I like that the color scheme for magic looks like it differs depending on who’s wielding it. (Like towards we see that Nyx’s magic seems to have a purple-ish aura)

  • Yuntu

    Yeah but the fucking game is about 4 friends from the same country travelling together, it would seem stupid to put anything else in it. And it was created like this 10 years ago.

  • 4FFAN

    My main argument was about the main cast πŸ™‚ there is always variety when it comes to background characters ^^ Thanks for sharing anyway

  • Yep, the director is Takeshi Nozue, the same as the Advent Children movie, but they outsourced the visuals this time. I hope you didn’t notice that I’m from Brazil as well because of bad grammar LOL

  • They don’t need to put a mainchar from each country, they just could make the chars a little bit different from each other. For instance, not everyone in USA looks the same, nor in Brazil or even Germany.

  • “Just because everyone else is budging in and listens to minorities?” THAT’S EXACTLY THE REASON WHY! They never did it before and you’re asking why they should start doing it now? REALLY? Because it’s f*cking 2016, FF is a global franchise and they need to please as much people as possible if they want to stay relevant in the gaming industry. More diversity is a good thing, so what’s the problem in asking for more of it? I’m glad a lot of people are raising their voices instead of using this “it’s their artistic vision and it should be exactly as they want” ridiculous argument.

  • You can clearly see they’re already starting to change their artistic designs with Kingsglaive, although it has a lot to improve regarding diversity. I highly doubt Nomura or Ferrari decide the visuals by themselves, I mean, they probably hear a lot of different people’s opinions before approving a design.

  • They stated the FFXV team is a very diverse one, though even in a diverse environment as theirs, ALL the main characters are white (and straight for the matter) Isn’t that weird? Not even one person “man-up” and said it COULD (not should) be different?

    I’m not saying they’re assholes or something and I’m pretty much excited for this movie and game to be released, but what’s the point on try to muffle the voices of those that think it could be better regarding diversity?

  • Have you ever asked yourself why the ones that have to be “open-minded” are the consumers and not the developers? It’s as much as your problem as it’s theirs. If you don’t like something, let your voice be heard. Kokay15 has a pretty good point where he/she says he/she likes J-RPGs but not everything about it and he/she refuses to just passively accept everything as it is.

  • SO MUCH YES TO THIS!

  • Ok, your point is that the main characters are all from same country (an asian/white one) and that explains why all the characters are the same race. So let’s wait for the game to be released and see if ANY guest character or important character won’t be white. We know there will be other ethnicities in Eos, but will some character from these ethnicities be as important as the ones from Imsomnia?

  • Artemis Polara

    Okay, I know I won’t solve any of the problems of the discussion below but going over 250 comments on that is kinda much so I’ll throw my two cents in:
    Firstly, it’s fine to ask for more diverse representation. Critiquing things that you don’t like is totally cool.
    It also is totally fine to defend the value of artistic vision and not letting so many differing opinions interfere with it.
    However the way I’ve seen them go about it is unfortunately less about opinions and more about just the hostility and wanting to pick a fight at this point. Stevenm281, I was originally on your side and I agree with your viewpoints to a degree but after a while you just seem less of an “open minded” person and more of a dictator attacking anyone who is voicing their opinion. There is certainly some hostility on all sides but as cliche as it is: Could we just have some civil debates instead of straight up fighting?

  • It’s quite sad to see a gay guy (I’m gay myself) using this “artistic vision” bullshit to justify everything! Yes the problem is with the industry! Don’t fool yourself! Fiction is not reality but it reflects it in many ways and representation matters. You stated that you can appreciate entertainment without gays on it, but wouldn’t it be nice for SE (or any other company) to stop pretending they don’t exist? It’s the same for ethnicities. You used all caps to say “because they never envision it” and I say WHY they never envision it? Because it was never done before? Or is it because they have a pre-conceived vision of what a healer woman should look like and they keep using it over and over again?

  • As they usually do when talking about minorities. Bet they’re all straight white guys, so they never had to handle prejudice or felt misrepresented on ANY entertaiment media.

  • Yes, they could and a lot of people (like me) could think they’re morons for not giving a damn about their own consumers!

  • Artemis Polara

    I misread it and thought they meant he was literally Cor. My bad πŸ˜›

  • Artemis Polara

    Yeah I apologize, I misread it πŸ˜›

  • Yuntu

    So you are telling me Noctis, Ignis, Prompto and Gladio look exactly the same outside of the clothing? You are telling me all characters in Kingsglaive look exactly the same? Sorry then you are blind.

  • Yuntu

    Its a fucking global franchise done by Japan, they think completly different than we do. For gods sake people are so up in arms over a few videogame related chardesigns, go fix some real problems. jesus christ <.<

  • Yuntu

    Yeah and thats mainly because Tabata is aiming for global appeal and he is literally the only one at SE doing that, I mean his complete development structure is different from other japanese directors. It`s a problem Japan has as a country and not something you can fix by aiming at their games.

  • Noctis Pendragon

    This is how i see it :
    – FF XV was made for normal gamers and JRPG fans .
    – Kingsglaive was made to attract westerner who don’t like the designs in FF XV or TGOT fans who don’t know FF XV .
    – Brotherhood was made to attract anime fans who don’t know FF XV.
    – Platinium was made to attract youngs and Disney fans (including KH fans ) who don’t know FF XV .

    They are trying to appeal as many people as possible (in the usual SE awkward way ) so don’t blame them for that .

  • stevenm281

    I’m not attacking everyone voicing their opinions, I was on the defensive against complainers that repeat the same complaints over and over again on every articles related to any FF15 media.

    As I mentioned many times already, I get that people can have an opinion which can be negative and that its a normal thing to bring up a complaint. But! My problem is with the fact that once heard, they keep on repeating the same thing over and over again, even when its out of subject.

    So yes, I do defend Square Enix and Final Fantasy a bit aggressively at times, and I do apologize for seeming cold-hearted, but we are a FF fansite and I don’t get why some users are mostly here to complain, and after hearing so much complaints about something I love, I do tend to explode, because such intense criticism isnt needed.

    There are more people here bashing the games than praising them, and its just wrong.

    If it would be up to me, I’d close the comment sections, problem solved. As long as we get information from the people working at Nova Crystallis, we don’t really need to comment, but because its there and available to use, it’s too easy to get lost in reading comments and then replying.

  • stevenm281

    You sincerely believe that because we’re not represented in a game, that they don’t believe we exist?

    How sad…. I never ever felt that way.

    I never envision myself creating ballet routines even tho I’m a choreographer, it doesnt mean I don’t acknowledge that ballet exist.

    I do have a lot of respect for people that dance that style but it doesnt resonate with me, I don’t feel that style and thus, I don’t use that style, should I be persecuted by the dance industry or ballet dancers for not wanting to do ballet? No, I am allowed to follow my artistic preference.

  • Very likely. But know if they think about it, if they look past the fact that they love these games for a second, they can see that’s it’s not perfect. It has a flaw. And I’m not talking about gameplay. It’s the same tired problem repeated non-stop in entertainment. If we look the other way and let it continue, nothing will change.

  • stevenm281

    and why would they have to be as important as the main cast…

    At this point its like complaining to an author that you don’t approve of his story for not featuring every ethinicity in his book… let it go.

  • Minorities don’t have to travel with them. They could be quest givers, lore-based NPCs, guest party members for a job, they could be friends from their time in school, they could be past girlfriends, or maybe even friends of Luna’s. They could be anything. I just want them to add to the story. Hell if they’re well written enough, they could be villains working with the masked man. It doesn’t matter. All I ask is that they don’t make game worlds where you travel the entire planet and never run into a single dark skinned person who contribute anything to the game.

  • Back Up

    You’re absolutely right ^^

  • Back Up

    Lesten ^^ we don’t have any problem with any races they create..but it will be intresting to see much diversity in FF..In the end it depend on artist mind and attached to deferent races to make people like them no matter what or which reaces they from or who they are..And sorry….FF createors dosn’t have that and dont know how to do that!

  • 4FFAN

    My bad….I guess I used the wrong word…but you know what I meant ^^

  • stevenm281

    If I want multi-culture I go with western RPG, as western developers share that concept, and feels the multi-culture aspect, whereas the reason I like JRPG so much is because of their specific artistic direction, and if they westernize themselves too much, they’ll lose their identity, and therefore their games wont’ be the same anymore and will be nothing more than a standard western RPG.

  • 4FFAN

    Hey I’m from MTL too lol ^^

  • XenoSilvano

    Jesus… what ever happend to my ‘a multitude of the most smallest of actions can have the most profound results’, ‘what is an ocean but a multitude of droplets’ comment?

    Where I end it touch upon another gaming controversy, Yuntu, are you fat, ugly or slutty? http://fatuglyorslutty.com/

  • XenoSilvano

    If you are not squimish about taking illegal sustances than I would highly recommend that you take a few seasons of Ayahuasca, it will purge all your negative accumulate energy and by the time that your personal quest has come to an end, you will feel like you have been born anew, as long as you have the right intentions, trust me, you wll never see the world in quite the same way ever again.

  • XenoSilvano

    If you think that this is a race war then you and those who think the same are the only ones fighting.

  • XenoSilvano

    I grew-up wth friends of different ethnic backgrounds, although I know that a lot of people do not, it seem a little weird to me to not see that represented in the majority of the videogames that I play, I feel like going to have a homogenous cast then there should be a good reason for it.

  • XenoSilvano

    Yeah it is definitely a crux because it takes away the individuality of each character

  • XenoSilvano

    I stand by KOKAYI5’s previous quote where he mentioned the following:

    “I’m not forcing them to do anything. I’m just saying that it’s sad that they don’t care enough to do it on their own. No one should have to tell someone to do what I’m talking about. If I made a game I would NEVER do anyone like this. Because I care as a human being. I’m not gay but I know they exist. So they would deserve to be in my game. Because they are a people just like me.”

    If the tables were turned, I wonder if people would be up in arms if the protagonists were of a single non-white ethnics group and all the white people where relegate to background NPCs.

    I am hoping that all of this ruckus is due to overexcited worries and that I will be pleasantly surprised after viewing Kingsglaive and play FINAL FANTASY XV.

  • stevenm281

    I actually wouldn’t care.

    My enjoyment of a game is not defined by the race or gender of characters.

  • stevenm281

    I misread all the time, no biggie haha

  • XenoSilvano

    Reconsidering my comment in regards to the lack of non-white protagonists in previous FINAL FANTASY game before VII, thinking about it now, I guess that things were different back in the 90s, besides, I think that it was not as much of an issue back than because the characters were just a bunch of smalls sprits, however, as this is 2016 and graphics have become more representative of the human form, then I think it is only natural that gamers of all sorts of ethnic background receive better representation.

    If you have the time, I would highly recommend watching these videos:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d16LNHIEJzs
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwIjKuitlu8

    This is not my attempt to guilt trip, I just want you to see the reality that exists.

  • XenoSilvano

    Neither is mine, although the issue does stick out like a sore thumb to me.

  • stevenm281

    so your point is that if there wouldn’t be white people, we would still be using Black and White film?

    This is simply ridiculous and racism propaganda.

    Color film was created due to technological advancement and to properly reflect the real world colors as seen by the human eye.

  • XenoSilvano

    sometimes are cigar is just a cigar

  • XenoSilvano

    another thing that is rather sad about the gaming industry is that protagonists tend assume a (US) American archetype, game developers around the world have the tendency to do this, this tend certainly says something about the sort of globalised culture that we live in today, would US Americans or gamers in general be interested in a game that did not feature a US American protagonist? hum.

  • stevenm281

    Rico in Just Cause is not american, yet the series is popular.

    CJ in GTA: San Andreas, is black, and the game was highly popular.

    Assassin’s Creed games feature many ethnicity and are widely popular.

    I could go on and on, its not true that only games featuring exclusively white people are popular.

  • XenoSilvano

    Would it be nice to have some more of that and not just mostly this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85M3LnoHz6o

    No, white people a certainly not all the same but for goodness sake, lets mix things up a bit, most games act like western narrative are the only ones that exit.

    Just to let you know, there is not need to repeat your previous recommendation about making it into the gaming as way to make changes, I already have that noted.

  • XenoSilvano

    Hay would you like to tackle the controversial issue is regards the women in gaming as well?

  • stevenm281

    While I wouldnt mind to have more female characters as main protagonist, I will not force artists to create some just for the hell of it.

    If they feel like creating such characters, so be it, if they don’t feel like creating such characters, so be it.

    Again, it isn’t up to us, we are not the artists, it is up to them.

    At this point, nothing more can be said on your part or mine to change this.

  • XenoSilvano

    Sure but if enough people speak out then ‘maybe’ developers may consider trying something new.

    Such as Faith from Mirror’s Edge, aside from the fact that I liked the theme of the game, I also liked the fact that the protagonist is a woman and that she is not white, holy #### 2-in-1!

  • stevenm281

    Speaking here won’t change anything, if you’re so unsatisfied with the state of Final Fantasy, I suggest bringing your complaints directly to Square Enix, and stop putting negative comments on fansites where fans go to appreciate and enjoy news about games they like.

  • Yuntu

    Do you even look at what you wrote before you Post it? There are Tons of different looking people and races in XV, in fact you clearly see Noctis &Friends stand out in almost every City.

  • XenoSilvano

    This is a video I saw once in regards arguments online, I recommend it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbX0wwp-nlI

  • 4FFAN

    Agreed! I feel like a lot of us need to understand that they don’t owe us anything though…What @stevenm281 is true (to a certain extent)…Their artistic vision is theirs and we can’t assume they have to change it for us. But we can definitely give them a little feedback so that they consider our opinions πŸ™‚

  • XenoSilvano

    I know that this is completely besides the point in regards to your comment, I sware that Regis is white and Noctis is half white and half asian

    Look at those features:
    http://www.junkiemonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Final-Fantasy-XV-Noctis-Wallpaper.jpg

  • Yuntu

    I assume Noctis Mother May have been from another country.

  • 4FFAN

    Hahah it’s just the design. Noctis has a more anime/manga inspired look while Regis’ model was changed to a more realistic look because of the actor that did the motion capture for Kingsglaive πŸ™‚

  • XenoSilvano

    That would explain this:

    https://prettyuglylittleliar.net/uploads/monthly_2016_04/kingsglaiveedits.png.3cda013ecc957897e57ff22dccff6e57.png

    I am sure that you must have already seen this but there you go
    What happened to her face(!?)

  • stevenm281

    The difference is that the team working on the in-game models decided to modify their Regis model to be more representative of the movie model, but they didn’t do the same for Luna, and I don’t understand why.

  • 4FFAN

    Yeah, her face in the movie is modeled after her motion capture actress but they didn’t bother to change her face in the game unlike Regis.

  • XenoSilvano

    If you have seen the models from the PS3 version compared to the one made for the PS4, there definitely is a difference there, I guess they decided to upgrade her feature to meet the more realistic art direction of the movie.

    The PS4 model is what Luna looks like right now.

  • stevenm281

    Luna wasnt on PS3, it was Stella, they changed the character altogether while keeping minor physical attributes, it has nothing to do with the movie.

  • XenoSilvano

    Oh, I forgot to mention, I was actually referring to the 3 protagonists of the game… yeah, I probably should had add that. Their model would look strange on how the other elements look in the PS4 version of the game if the development team had not upgrade their features.

  • 4FFAN

    Yeah, since they went for a realistic style their models from the game wouldn’t fit…If they had gone for the “Advent Children” style they probably would’ve kept the same models.

    EDIT: Do you think Noctis will appear in the movie? If he does, what do you think he’ll look like?

  • Back Up

    Man ^^ i don’t force anyone..And believe me ^^ if they can improve in that part..they going to be unstoppable..So i just wish for them to get better in everyway.(Love to FF) ^^

  • XenoSilvano

    Yeah that makes sense, they would probably have hit the deepest part of the uncanny valley had they used the movie models in the game.

    I have to admit, I am somewhat bother by this along with there being different voice actors for the English version of the movie and game.

  • 4FFAN

    Really? I don’t mind at all…If the voice actors sound similar I probably won’t notice the difference, I rarely do.

  • stevenm281

    I don’t approve of different voices either, but as 4FFAN mentioned, as long as its sounds the same, I won’t have a problem with having different voice actors.

    If, on the other hand, there is a major difference of voice between the characters that are featured in the movie and in the game, then it’ll cringe in my ears.

  • stevenm281

    Of course you guys aren’t forcing them directly, but indirectly you are.

    If many people give the same recommandation, they’ll feel forced to do it, even tho they don’t share the people’s opinion, and the results won’t be good as it won’t be genuine, it will feel forced and out-of-place.

    Let the artists come up with a setting similar to your desire, on their terms, when they’ll decide to do it, without being influenced by consumers.

  • XenoSilvano

    same here, I hope that the voice actors that appear in the game stay faithful to the ones in the movie.

  • If you say so.

  • XenoSilvano

    It is for reason like this that I wish the world was a more equal place, that way people around the world could show others the beauty of their culture.

  • XenoSilvano

    *kisses teeth* damn capitalism

  • XenoSilvano

    I post that link before I had read you previous comment that had already addressed the image

  • XenoSilvano

    I do not think that you can tell what a person’s orientation is by watching people walk down the street in the same why that you cannot persume that you know the same from characters in an entertainment medium.

    Personally, I have probably passed and even talked to quite a number of people who were gay and never knowning so.

  • XenoSilvano

    Oh no, that was not a counter-argument, I did not want to waste my time doing that, I just wanted to give you a piece of my mind.

    My previous comment still stands.

  • 4FFAN

    So that girl on the motorcycle in the Uncovered trailer…that was Crowe right?

  • stevenm281

    indeed!

  • 4FFAN

    I see…I was asking ’cause that scene (0:50-0:56) seems to take place during the invasion (hinted by the Niflheim ship passing by) so I was wondering why she wasn’t in Insomnia (unless this is insomnia post-invasion, everything seems to be destroyed). Plus she’s not wearing her uniform…Aha I really wonder what she’s up to.

  • As games and animes are two things Japan is globally known for, I think is just obvious that we non-japanese people should aim to those things when trying to make a point. I pretty much know their culture is different and you even could say it’s conservative in many ways, but they’re not making games to the japanese market and hoping that it eventually appeals to the west as they used to do. I’m really glad Tabata decided for a global approach for FFXV and yet many people think it could be better on diversity. Changing takes time, but we have to start somewhere, don’t you think?

  • Jesus Christ! I’m not saying NPCs should be as important as the protagonists, I’m saying the main characters or other really important characters could be non-white ones!

  • stevenm281

    we shall see!!

  • Artemis Polara

    Artistic vision is great and all but when an artist (or game director in this case) is generally open to others opinions because he is trying to appeal to the widest audience, it’s a good thing to voice complaints instead of just kissing his ass (not saying you are).
    If it were Nomura, no ones opinions would be ever heard and your point would be partially valid. (I’m sort of going out or order based on your reply)
    Also the people complaining will voice their opinions where ever they feel like. The option is there and I like options. Taking them away would kind of insulting. I mean XIII as a game took practically all options away and I hate that game for it. But that’s off topic.
    You can defend the game against those who attack it but please keep in mind that it’s still a game that, while we love, others can have their complaints about it. Instead of fighting them, I’d say have rational and interesting discussions on it.
    I come here for the news first, then reading the comments because I like the occasional discussion. So yeah, please keep it nice for everyone? I’ve already been part of a war a while back on this site… I think it was about optional content or something… But whatever.

  • Yuntu

    Of course we have Start somewhere regarding this, but I think XV is a pretty Bad example for Lack of diversity. Especially as it aims to recreate certain cultures from our world like Cuba.

    Or because it, for the first time for a FF, adds German and French dubs and subs for new countrys aswell (I think latin american and something else) which is, in my opinion, way for important for worldwide appeal compared to how the characters look.

  • Back Up

    Nah :3 ..they will lose nothing..As a hardcore fan myself i wish for them to grow even biger in everything ..and i believe by people like you they will be better..just keep encourage them πŸ™‚

  • XenoSilvano

    I cannot believe that they are in their early 20s, I sware that the Chocobros are in the mid 20s

  • XenoSilvano

    imagine if they were are made into sprites

  • XenoSilvano

    sorry about this blackie, we are friends and all but this one is only for the whities

  • XenoSilvano

    I doubt that Noctis will make an appearance, like you mentioned in your previous comment, how they would translate Noctis from the game to the movie would be interesting though.

  • XenoSilvano

    touche

  • XenoSilvano

    What did I say that was wrong? That is what gay sex is, it is not something to be ashamed about.

  • XenoSilvano

    You may not, however, I think that Square-enix certainly would be worried if enough people did care not to buy their game due to the fact.

  • XenoSilvano

    I hate to drag this on but I think that one of the reasons why people are somewha annoyed in regards to this issues is also due to the dismisive atitudes that those against have, I do not think that people appreciate the attitude of “it is not an issue, shut up”, if it were not then I doubt tht people would be bringing it up, after all, it is not just willy-nilly, people speak-out for reasons.

    Something that I would really like to understand is the motivations behind the people in opposition to more diversity in video-games, why would anyone e against such a notion.

  • XenoSilvano

    What if they feel like they want to add a female protagonist (without sex appeal) but do not due to fears that the game will not be sucessful simply because the main character is a female.

    I think that the original Mirror’s Edge had such potential, it is a shame that it did not garner as much success as I wish it did.

  • XenoSilvano

    I think the notion of complaining goes both ways.

  • Yuntu

    Because developers should be free to do whatever they want with their games.

  • XenoSilvano

    sorry about this blackie, we are friends and all but this one is only for the whities

  • Tamara

    Funny, I am a middle-eastern woman and there are probably 0 major movies, TV shows, or games with middle-easterners as main leads. I never in my life felt like I couldn’t be bayonetta or lara croft because I’m not white or superman or batman because I’m not a man. I don’t relate less to a character because they are not the same shade of skin I am or because they don’t share my genitals, if no one singles out the skin color or gender of a certain person, no one would notice because, in reality, the majority of people just don’t care. The only thing I care about when I talk about a fictional character is their character, and nothing else, because that is what defines them, race and gender rarely count.. But there are times however, when gender or race IS relevant, say Django from unchained, but there are also times, where gender or race doesn’t matter or isn’t relevant, like faith from mirror’s edge, her being female and asian does not play a role in the game itself or make her character more interesting, it was just a design choice.
    No one is erasing minorities when they don’t include them in games, movies, etc. I am currently writing a story about a white male, does that mean I am erasing myself as a non-white woman? no.
    I feel bad for people (not you in particular), but people who complain about this in general, who feel like they can only be connected to a character if they share the same gender or race as them.
    Everyone I know outside the west (most people in my life) and I, have never really thought about these things until I came to the U.S where they are just obsessed with gender and race, while the other half of the world just don’t care. And I bet Japan is the same thing (not to mention most of their movies, games, manga, anime etc, are inspired from their surroundings and the majority in Japan are not white in particular but tend to have really pale skin) so you can’t really blame them for lacking “diversity”, just like bollywood always cast indians in their lead roles because the majority there are indians, you don’t hear anyone demanding diversity in bollywood movies now do you?
    And yes, I understand that Final Fantasy has a huge foreign fanbase but, even with this fact, we still can’t deny that final fantasy games are designed mostly by Japanese developers and they tend to write stories and design characters that are inspired by their surroundings. And not just Final Fantasy, but also most of the games and companies you mentioned. Just like korean dramas tend to cast koreans in their lead roles, because they are inspired by their surroundings and people there are majorly korean.
    I don’t know if my opinion here is in the minority because I just don’t care if the characters are male/female, white/black/middle-eastern etc. as long as I can call it a character and relate to them, everything else doesn’t matter.
    Anyway, I hope I didn’t come off as offensive or aggressive or anything, Just giving you my two cents :))

  • Tamara

    Aren’t you overgeneralizing it by saying they are “white straight guys”?
    Gender and race are not relevant unless you make it so.
    I can agree with you that it is in some places where gender/race matters to a character’s background/birthplace etc and plays a huge part in the story. But other than that, it’s just not.
    I’m a middle-eastern woman who could not care less if there aren’t any FICTIONAL middle-eastern characters that don’t “represent me” (which by itself is stupid, because only you can represent you), that does not stop me from relating any less to the characters presented in a story (and I’m not saying you’re not, I bet you relate to a lot of characters who are not your race/gender) but that is what we should take from the characters; their personalities and feelings throughout their journey, not what race/gender they are. Will it make any difference if prompto was black? or if gladiuos (I don’t know how to spell his name, sorry!) was hispanic? unless it contributes to the story, where, for example, they met on a different land etc, then yes, that would be very interesting and add more depth to the story, but if their personalities/background etc stay the same and the only aspect changed was their skin color, then no, it would not make a difference.
    You have every right to voice your opinion, but at the same time, developers have every right to stick to their vision and that doesn’t put them in the wrong in any way.

  • Yes you can still like, relate, and feel connection to a character that isn’t your race or gender. But with that same logic, Japanese players should be able to play that Def Jam Vendetta fighting game full of black rappers street fighting. But I doubt they do. Why? Because for ages, certain ideas have been set in place and repeated and now they are considered “normal”.
    Example: Want to make a medieval RPG? The star is like white with a sword, loved by a princess and fights dragons. Is this wrong? No. It’s considered “classic”.
    If I said, “lets make an RPG” and showed a black lady with a scythe that turns into a giant snake, everyone on my development team would say “the fuck is this?” And I’d have to feed them a disclaimer or something letting them know it’s “not the usual RPG”. You see, because they already have in their head what a “classic” RPG is. Especially if we’re talking European culture-based RPGs and not ones set in other cultures.

    As for Bollywood…Not casting diversity because you lack the people being readily on hand is one thing. No casting them because you see their features as ugly is another. I have said this before, but it still applies. A friend, who’s asian, told me to my face that the race asians don’t want help from black employees if they can help it is because they see us as loud, obnoxious, brutes, who speak far too bluntly and aggressively. And when it comes to features, our hair and lips and nose are the farthest you can get from asian or white features. Those feature often seen as beautiful and sought after. The only times I see asian women with black men were celebrities. I’m not saying its a fact, I’m just saying that’s what I see around me.

    I guess at the end of the day since no one seems to care I’ll just have to hope that one day my people will have their own RPGs and Action RPGs where they can show lots of minorities and majorities all as heroes. If I knew how to make my own games to the same caliber as FFs I would do it myself. But until, it’s just gonna have to be a sad time playing these games. Because nothing changes. To them it’s fine as it is. And apparently only people like me care enough to even speak up against entire game worlds devoid on African or Latino features like round or flat noses and full lips and knitted curly hair.

  • Tamara

    – OK, how do you know Japanese people aren’t interested in
    “Def Jam Vendetta fighting game full of black rappers street fighting.”?
    If that is your assumption alone that they won’t like it then I’m sorry, I can’t consider that as a good example. And let’s say they didn’t like it, is it because of black people? no. I’m not interested in most street fighting
    games, if I play the game you mentioned and didn’t like it, does that mean I hated it because it includes black people? hell no. I am not talking out of my a** when I say NO ONE outside the west cares enough about gender/race to make it an issue.

    – For your next example, how do you know that your idea would be rejected by developers for the sole reason the protagonist is black/woman? I don’t know where you get this, the idea that developers shun any character that is not white is ridiculous, and you’re not the only one who believes in this. A lot of people think we are horrible human beings because a certain game does not have minorities, a lot of women, etc.
    It’s gotten to a point where we are afraid to put something out there we worked so hard on because of the unnecessary backlash.
    And the weird part about quotas and all the “concerns” people voice is that
    they are not even needed at all.
    Even just a few decades ago developers actually did make games with plenty of female and minority characters because they wanted to do so. They still do actually, Lee and Clementine of the walking dead telltale game
    are two of my favourite characters. Lots of games have protagonists that are not even human either. That’s the beauty of games, they’re much more diverse than you make it out to be, most games now let you
    choose your gender, something that is only unique to gaming. Games that
    has mostly white people or no minorities does not erase that fact, it does not make games that do have diversity irrelevant, and it certainly does not put developers in the wrong for deciding what characters they want to put. Should every single game include minorities? no, should every single game include white people? no.

    – What you gave me “A black woman with scythe that turns into
    a giant snake” is an ideal YOU want to see in a game. Some developers might think it’s a good idea, some might not, and I reaaally doubt the ones that don’t see it as a good idea is simply because she’s a woman or black… it’s much more complicated than that. I am majoring in game design and we receive a lot of group projects. Most of them where you are tasked to create a story, characters, concept, plot etc.
    and at the end fit them all together to make a game with a story that makes sense. The first thing I, and all of my group members, ask about
    the characters is whether that certain character makes sense in the context we created. Let’s say you presented your character in our group, no one and I mean no one, would say “the fuck is this?”
    the first thing they’d ask you is if you had created a background-story/personality that fits her as a character? where
    does she fall in the context of the story? if the story was
    set in Medieval Europe, minorities were rarely seen and if they were,
    they would be considered exotic, and most of the time, they were discriminated against, will you include that in your character to make her experiences more believable and relate-able or will they treat her like all the other characters in the story?
    Women were also treated differently at that time, will you include that (which also deepens the character’s experiences) or will you leave it out? how does her scythe work? does her design/clothes have anything to do with her character as a whole? etc.
    you will be asked all these questions and more, and if your character does make sense and all the dots (personality, story, background) fit together, then your idea will be put on the table. NO ONE will dismiss your idea because it includes a black/female character. Again, depending on your context, the story you created for your game might be believable or not.
    The reason why a white hero in an RPG set in medieval Europe is considered “normal” because 1) most RPGs are set in medieval Europe! where you rarely saw any minorities 2) it is the easiest type of character you can write about at that time, because if you did want to include a minority, their perspective/experiences/background is going to be different than that of a white person. Just like writing about a Japanese character in feudal Japan is much more easier than writing about a white character/or any other minority at that time, because their perspective/experiences/background is going to be different.

    – Look at the game “the Witcher”, the reason why there aren’t many minorities in it is not because developers who made it are racist bigots, it’s because the game is set in Poland, where you rarely see any minorities, and the game was developed by polish people, it’s only natural they’d be inspired by their own culture, and not someone else’s. Look at metro redux, where you play as a Russian soldier. Almost all the characters you meet in that game are Russian and most Russian people are white, does that mean the ones who made it are racists too? no, they got inspired by their surroundings and the game is set in Russia so it only makes sense if the game revolves around Russian people, where most of them are white. Final Fantasy/JRPGs are created by Japanese people where they are inspired by their surroundings and not anyone else’s, most people in Japan are pale skinned, hence the lack of minorities, it is not something developers do because they’re racists.
    If I were to create a game in my country, most of my characters would be middle-easterners, does that mean I am racist because I only include one race, even though it’s a story inspired by my own surroundings and culture?
    I bet if you wanted to make a game/movie, you’d include black characters as the majority and white people as the minority, you have every right to do so and are not obliged to listen to anyone, because it is your story, your vision and no one has any right to force you to change that, are you a racist for doing a story that has an all-black cast? no, and people who tell you otherwise are the ones who are being racists.

    – As I said before, I am writing a story that stars a white male, most of the characters in the story are white, am I a racist for not including a lot of minorities in a story set in medieval Europe? will it make sense if I create a middle-eastern character and set him in that context just for the sake of me being a middle-eastern? no, I like to write characters that fit in the
    setting of the story. I wouldn’t include ANY white characters if I wanted to write a story set in the Ottoman Empire or Africa, I’ll write characters set in that culture, in that setting. The same thing applies to Medieval Europe, most, if not all of them were WHITE.
    People tell me all the time that Americans hate Muslims and Arabs, and I have dealt with MANY white AND black people who discriminate against me because of my religious background,
    This is what I also see around me, people WILL stereotype you and it’s not pretty, but that doesn’t make it true about you or the majority of the people you meet.
    You even have it better, lol, you have movies that has an all-black cast,
    movies that represent the horrible experiences your ancestors went through, there isn’t a single movie in hollywood right now that does not include at least one black character. The only representation
    we get is that we’re all terrorists trying to destroy America. Do you know what we do? we laugh.
    Because it’s not a representation of the real world, it is just a fantasy, we don’t say the ones behind these kinds of movies are racists, they are just presenting what they see and what they want to portray, that does not make it true or representative of my culture, it’s not worth complaining about because it doesn’t matter in the scope of the real world we live in, no one here cares! Russians are always depicted as the bad guys in almost
    all Hollywood movies, do they care? no, does that in any way make it true? absolutely not.

    – These are called inconveniences not real issues and you have every right to voice them, but at the same time, developers also have every right to stick to what they see makes a good story and what they envision as a good game. Even if that said game/movie has an all-white/all-black/all-male/all-female cast.

    PS: sorry for the long comment :))

  • I have personally experienced the discrimination in real life. From people born in the US and from over seas. If its a reality in life of course some of that will show up in the entertainment created by people. Until people stop prejudging people this won’t change. And games are no different from any other form of art. People have the right to do what they want but people who see that art have the right to speak on what they see. I know when I voice my ideas to my peers they don’t like them. I see their eyes and tone of voice and see that a lot of the time ideas like the one I gave annoys them or seems inferior.
    I got nothing against devs who don’t mean anything when they make their casts. I know not everyone gives a shit about what black people go thru. But I do have beef with people who like to paint this picture that racism and prejudice flat out are gone and dead. Its not.
    We got a long way to go for that to be true.
    I’m gonna write my own stories. If people would rather have diversity with humans and aliens and catgirls and spirits over different races of humans taken care of first then so be it. I guess its time to look more to independent movies and games and maybe they will be more likely to think outside the box and give minorities a chance to be more than sidekicks and step-n-fetch-its.

  • Tamara

    I actually do know some of what you go through, as I said above, I am a Muslim and I have experienced my share of prejudice. Everyone experiences that one point in their life, and yes, even white people face prejudice when they are the minority (look at South Africa and Indonesia, these places have whites as minorities and they are discriminated against in a lot of cases), I’m not saying it’s right, all I’m saying is that it’s there for everyone and it really does need to change but that requires a lot of time and effort from us as human beings(the world probably might end before that happens, I don’t really have that much faith in humanity)
    Including minorities in video games/movies will not solve that, because they don’t reflect the real world. What we should really be rallying for is the discrimination that happens in OUR world not the world of fictional characters. Including a black person in a lead role in FFXV doesn’t really do much to the real issues black people face right? just like including a middle-eastern character in a lead role in the newest Hollywood movie for example will not stop the war the middle east is going through right now.
    In the larger scope of things, race/gender really doesn’t count.
    No one is saying racism and prejudice doesn’t exist, it does. If anything, it has increased over the past decade which is quite sad seeing we are reaching the year 2017.
    When I sometimes voice my opinions to people I know, they too express their annoyance from time to time and they have every right to, and the reason for that is because they either don’t agree with me or because I keep bringing up the same point over and over it gets frustrating after a while, it’s not because they think my ideas are inferior to them. I am actually very interested in your opinion, I disagree with you but that doesn’t mean I’m annoyed or think that your opinion is inferior to mine right?

    In my opinion, intellectual diversity is much more important than something superficial as gender/race because that is not what defines a person, (or at least not as important as people make it out to be)
    Actually doing something, like creating characters, stories etc. is much better than demanding change from preexisting titles and already-established characters because if people say they really are passionate about this, then they should put their money where their mouth is (I’m not talking about you in particular, I’m talking about people who complain aggressively about this, thinking it’s their right the games be changed to their will and vision)
    I’m glad I got to listen to your point of view just as you listened to mine and I hope we can get out of this learning something from one another (because I know I have ^^)
    Oh, and If you want to write your own stories, then all power to you! I am more than positive they will be great and I wish you the best of luck. :))

  • Anyone can talk about diversity till the cows come home in real life. But as long as people mimic what they see on TV or in movies or their parent teach them then nothing changes. That why I say paint the stroke of diversity in games because if people begin to think about others equally with characters they like maybe they relate that to their real life. Maybe they’ll start to see in real life qualities of a minority character in the game in minorities in reality. But as long as the default race and gender is white male that won’t happen. People need to be re-educated not to automatically think of that when they think of their interests. As long as they do that minority problems will also get basic responses like “not my problem.” Or “everyone’s got problems. They’re not special.” Or “that’s just the way the world is.” Those responses are an excuse not to think outside the box of society. Or more accurate, societal norms set in place since the Crusades.

  • Tamara

    So, talking about it in real life and trying to address it so that REAL people will be able to find REAL happiness isn’t as important as including fictional
    characters in video games?
    I’m sorry, but as long as we have bigger issues in the world (like climate change, food poisoning) you know, things that are actually killing us as a species, this “issue” will remain as an inconvenience not a real problem.

    let’s say Nathan Drake from uncharted was black and everything else
    (personality, background, story) stayed the same, how is that going to make him any less of a human being and what new qualities did he gain when the ONLY thing that changed is his skin color?
    let’s say Lee from the walking dead was white and everything
    else stayed the same, how is that going to make him more
    of a human being and what qualities did he gain when the ONLY
    thing that changed is his skin color?
    If they change one of these characters in the Kingsglaive cast to a middle-eastern, what new qualities will they have if the ONLY thing that will change is their skin color?
    Do you really think people will care if snake was black? or do you really
    believe people will stop playing metroid when they discover that samus is a woman? Or they’ll riot if they see that the next call of duty will star a hispanic character and not a white male? you see, in reality, no one cares.

    “everyone’s got problems. They’re not special.”

    I still stand by this, minorities are not special, you’re not special, I’m not special. Once we start raising some people over others, that is when racism begins. The majority of people see minorities as humans first, you can’t define yourself or anyone else by their skin color or genitals alone, that should come second if not last.
    Look at the new full metal alchemist movie, it will star an all-minority cast, did anyone object to that? no, because no one cares. But when a title comes out and includes an all-white cast, everyone freaks out.
    The newest harry potter play starred a black hermoine, did
    anyone care? no! the most important thing is what qualities we have as HUMANS not as MINORITIES. Placing people into categories is not healthy and will not help the REAL cause.
    I agree a 100% that minorities should be included more in games, but complaining about preexisting titles and already established characters
    (like here, in FFXV) will not help. The real solution is actually doing something about it. If people are that passionate about including minorities, then you be the change.
    I’m not saying “it’s not my problem,” I’m saying that if I was that bothered about it, I’d try and write a story, design a character, create things that I want to see in games, not talk about it in the comment section.
    Developers include minorities because they want to not because
    they have to, and it’s definitely not because people keep talking on the internet about it.
    Again, as I said above, if you want to write a story about a lady who has a scythe that turns into a giant snake, all power to you! NO ONE will ridicule your idea just because it’s not the “norm” as you put it. That is called putting barriers on yourself, we still live in a free market, so if you want to create a game/story that you want, create it as a person not as a minority.
    And I am more than positive that it will be great.

    Again, I’m glad I had this conversation with you, and I wish you the best of luck XD

  • There was a swarm of fan mad that Finn from the Force Awakens to Rumored to be the lead and a black Jedi. I’ve see people love samurai but hate Morpheus in The Matrix. I’ve seen people hate Blade for being cocky but love James Bond.
    There’s lots of people that see people equally but there’s just as many people who hide their favoritism and prejudices behind others words. It doesn’t matter if its homosexuals or minorities or different religions, I see people fixate on it and turn their nose up at them.

  • Tamara

    You’re talking about people who are deeply rooted in racism, these people are the scum of the earth and no one considers their opinions to be valid in any way, they are not the “norm” and you will encounter these kinds of people everywhere. The best thing we can do is ignore them and focus on the majority of people who do not care about the race/gender of a character.
    If no one had pointed out that Finn was black or Rey was a woman in the new star wars movie, I would not have noticed and I bet a lot of people won’t too because they saw them as characters first. If the people you’re talking about really did hold some weight in our world, then the new star wars would not have been this successful, then blade would not be one of the most popular names in Hollywood history. Then twelve years a slave would not have received an Oscar. Some people loved James bond more than Blade.. that doesn’t prove that they hated him because he’s black.
    I hated Lightning from FFXIII, was it because she’s a woman? no, it was because she was boring as hell and I did not see her as a good character, the new ghost-busters looks like it’s going to be crappy, is it because they’re all women? of course not, it’s because it doesn’t look funny and I see it as unnecessary sequel to the original (if we can call it a sequel that is)
    I loved Finn, was it because he was black? no, it was because he was a good character.
    I hated the indie game “sunset”, was it because it starred a black woman? no, it was because the game-play sucked. The story was actually pretty interesting.
    I know for a fact that some people will always carry this prejudice against Islam, no matter how much they try to hide it, and it sucks, but I also know that they don’t represent the majority of people that accept me as a person, so in turn, I refuse to waste my time talking about them and you shouldn’t either πŸ™‚

  • It’s okay to care about the race and gender of a character, it’s just not okay to discriminate because of race or gender or faith or sexuality. Noctis to me is a cool character and I like him already. I wouldn’t want him to suddenly be a woman, but if there was a woman character like him in another game I wouldn’t be mad about playing with her in the party or as the MC. That’s what I mean. Or Byakuya in BLEACH. He’s male and I like him that way. But I’ve seen a few stoic intelligence wise type females that were greatly loved by me too. Like Lulu in FFX.
    My beef is not with people who legit don’t like a game for the reasons like gameplay or glitches. My problem is when people won’t even give a game a chance people of a casting choice. Sometimes people won’t play a character just because they don’t match them. Which is why a lot of times the default for characters is white male. Especially in shooter games. If someone says they don’t like a game for mechanics I understand. That’s a fair point. But if someone says they don’t like a game because the black lead was a cocky asshole. And then they turn around a play a game about a white cocky Adonis then I got beef with them.
    I friend of mine hated Xenosaga because he hated how powerful KOSMOS was. But he loves other games like Halo and Gears of War where lots of males tote around giant guns and beat foes 10x their size too. As he watched me play Xenosaga he kept wanting a male character to show up KOSMOS. I could only placate him with Ziggy being a powerful male character. And even that wasn’t enough when he saw that KOSMOS got more screen time. Worst part is, I’m pretty sure he has no idea he’s sexist. To him, that’s just the way things are suppose to be.

  • Kat Harris

    LOL There are other “ethnic” people in the movie, it’s in the trailer, some of the leaders of countries are too. But what’s funny is, watching the english trailer, They talk about immigrants in a way that is not expected: Nyx is referred to as an immigrant, not pointed out by a obvious ethnicity or such, but it’s still there, which is interesting to see for once and I can’t wait to learn more about that in the game/movie.
    Also, FF has a style of it’s own, always had, always will. I like seeing the world of FF with a more realistic spin, NOT just a “style”. They look like people, not just… Characters, if that makes sense.
    Also, even fans in Japan were over critical of the main group in the game, saying they looked something a kin to a host club. They’re tired of the same old archetype characters that are ALWAYS being pumped out of FF games. It’s the Nomura same archetype people are tired of, not asian people.
    I actually like the ‘imperfections’ they have. Not race, but wrinkles and other small flaws that, IMO, make it look just a little more realistic looking whereas most FF’s, unless you’re the old man character, you looked like a walking-talking model.
    I’m honestly more interested in Kingsglaive over the game at this point, this story interests me more. All I’m getting from the game demos and such is a prince is traveling in the comfort of his car and surrounded by companions to see is fiance to get married… Like… I KNOW there is more to it, but that is the basics of what I read from it and it is not doing anything for me. ;A;
    And as someone who has been on this for 10 years eagerly waiting… I’m losing my hype for it. In older trailers for the game they showed Stella and there was some kind of VERY interesting plot going on there, now I’m just… confused. They keep changing the story as it’s shown, the graphics change, the characters change, it’s almost never consistent anymore… ack

  • Tamara

    You keep saying that the default is “white male.” although I do agree with you that there a lot of games that feature white men, that doesn’t mean that it is the default, you’re missing a very crucial point here, major companies like “square enix”, “ubisot”, “naughty dog” are set in the western world where most developers are white, (not to say the gaming industry is not diverse, it is, but most developers I’ve seen are white)
    Developers who aren’t raised in a diverse environment don’t think about diversity, unless they get some other reason to, or even if they do live in a diverse environment, they usually tend to create characters that relate to them more. Instead of understanding the reason why games are not that diverse, (even though they are imo) we end up accusing developers of racism/sexism and force them to reevaluate a prejudice that doesn’t exist in the first place. (look at what happened to poor ubisoft)
    If you were to create a game, I’m sure you would include a black lady as your MC right? that’s because your environment differs from others and that’s the beauty about it. So no, white men are not the default, there is a major reason why most protagonists usually end up as white males and people seem to miss the very important point behind it.

    The thing your friend did was not sexist though? to you, maybe, but to me it just sounded like he did not like the character. Sexism is subjective in a person’s view. I have a friend who does not play games that features male characters, that doesn’t annoy me, I couldn’t care less, as long as she doesn’t come in the way of the games that I like and demands them to change, now that’s what bugs me; people who demand the game change to their view because they don’t like it this way.
    If your friend complained about her solely because she’s female, that would’ve been sexist, but if he got bothered because she was too powerful and got the most screen time, then that barely counts as sexism (in my opinion at least).
    I hated how they made Nadine from uncharted 4 untouchable, she beats your a** over and over and you’re expected to just sit there and watch… twice!! Does that mean I hate her because she’s a woman who beat up a man? no, and to think that oversimplifies the situation. I was already frustrated by the melee mechanics in the game and when she showed up and beat me to a pulp and the game did not expect me to defend myself, I was really frustrated. When I said that in front of my friend, he lashed out and said that I was a sexist and “couldn’t handle a strong, empowered woman” what!! why does her gender play a part in this? if a man did the same thing, my reaction would be the same.
    Why do you care if people don’t like a character because of their race/gender? literally, no one listens to them. To me, as long as the company doesn’t cave in and sticks to their vision, I couldn’t care less if these people were racists/sexists, as long as they don’t touch my games lol

  • My point is he didn’t like KosMos being the most powerful because she was a woman. He’s used to males being the most powerful in games he plays. He just didnt say it out loud because itd be like digging his own grave. If Ziggy or Jin were the most power he wouldn’t complain. Its because a female shaped robot is the heaviest hitter that bugged him.
    Recently in XV bids of Altissa they showed black and Latino men and women so I’m glad about that. At least minorities exist in the game.

  • ralph richardson

    You are a idiot. First of all Blacks DON’T use the word Nigger, they use
    a word they made up from it (Nigga) to change the meaning. A nigga can
    be someone of any race and some blacks will call their white friends
    nigga as well. Only a racist would claim things such as you. The point
    is this is a game series made in Japan that features mainly Caucasian
    characters. Only a racist would think no other race of people can be in a
    game with monsters, etc. The Japanese have been doing this way before
    FF15 and I can tell you having been stationed overseas numerous times,
    and having been to Korea and Japan (Stationed in Korea for 4 years and
    Japan for 2). Both societies are in denial concerning their love for the
    Caucasian look. They say they don’t try to look white, but get
    “western” eyes. Hell everyone else in the whole world had the so called
    “western” eyes. Self hate is so bad over there they even prefer
    Caucasian models over their own. Personally I stopped playing the Final
    Fantasy games a long time ago since so many of the men looked like
    effeminate homosexuals.

  • ralph richardson

    You are a idiot. First of all Blacks DONT use the word Nigger, they use a word they made up from it (Nigga) to change the meaning. A nigga can be someone of any race and some blacks will call their white friends nigga as well. Only a racist would claim things such as you. The point is this is a game series made in Japan that features mainly Caucasian characters. Only a racist would think no other race of people can be in a game with monsters, etc. The Japanese have been doing this way before FF15 and I can tell you having been stationed overseas numerous times, and having been to Korea and Japan (Stationed in Korea for 4 years and Japan for 2). Both societies are in denial concerning their love for the Caucasian look. They say they don’t try to look white, but get “western” eyes. Hell everyone else in the whole world had the so called “western” eyes. Self hate is so bad over there they even prefer Caucasian models over their own. Personally I stopped playing the Final Fantasy games a long time ago since so many of the men looked like effeminate homosexuals.

  • Fusoya87

    (((2017 RESPONSE))) LOL.. Anyway I’m black (also an artist), I’ve always LOVED Final Fantasy, and their designs, and I particularly loved everything about XV including the movie, after a lot of my friends (and some fans) told me the character designs kinda reminded them of my characters (I had created a character for a beat-em-up/fighting game, modeled him after the same model Nyx was modeled after, and gave him the same haircut as a Scottish Wrestler Grant Davison lol).

    I do really wish people would stop talking about the ethnic makeup of characters.. Do I like diversity? Yes because I am an artist especially, but I don’t like diversity for the sake of it, forcing it ect… I truly despise that. To me Final Fantasy has always had a very Japanese look, even Kingsglaive, which was done up by one of my favorite artist Roberto Ferrari. He decided to leave Rome, to move to Japan, and become a character designer.. That is a huge huge thing, because it is highly difficult for foreigners to do such a thing, and then especially for Square Enix..

  • Fusoya87

    Yeah I have seen quite a bit of that in Japan.. Although with many of their Final Fantasy games, with the exception of XV (Speaking of Kingsglaive), Their characters have always looked Asian to me. I remember the designer of XII stated that Ashe was modeled after a French actress (forget her name), but they gave her a more “Japanese look”.

    When the Japanese cosplay as Final Fantasy characters, they really do look like them a lot.. Not so much for other ethnic groups lol.