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Square Enix considering an additional season pass for Final Fantasy XV; new roadmap in November By Erren Van Duine on September 24, 2017 at 3:23 PM

A big topic of conversation coming out of this year’s TGS is Final Fantasy XV and additional content now planned into 2018. Revealed during the game’s final Active Time Report, director Hajime Tabata said the team wanted to create more stories that fill in what fans feel is missing from the main game.

Speaking with Famitsu, Tabata provided further details on what this might mean going forward. The first step will be a new roadmap he’d like to release in November this year. Following the distribution of Episode Ignis in December, they’d then be set to work on the next set of developments right away.

As for how this additional DLC will be sold, Tabata says they’re currently considering a new season pass of sorts and hinted at a second VR title in the works.

Asked again about a possible Nintendo Switch version of FFXV, Tabata stresses there are no plans at the moment, however, they really like the system and have been performing a few tests to see what type of game they’d like to make for it. The first priority is releasing FFXV‘s Pocket Edition along with the Windows Edition for PC and after that the new set of downloadable content next year.

Final Fantasy XV is now available for PlayStation 4 and Xbox One.

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  • This might seem a bit off topic, but I have a feeling that Tabata’s “next project”, which he keeps talking about at every opportunity, might be revealed at this year’s PSX. Especially if FFVIIR isn’t set to make an appearance, and if we’re to take Nomura and Tabata’s recent statements into consideration, it probably isn’t.

  • Jintae

    So I’ve bought the current season pass for the additional story, all I’ve got were some minor changes in-game and episode gladio/prompto/ignis and a bunch of useless, unrelated to story stuff. So I have to buy a NEW SEASON PASS to get the DLC’s I wanted in the first place? Nice rip off.

  • alef321

    the only reason bought the first one ,was because we got tricked into thinking more story content and quality gameplay would be added to the main game, nope nope nope nope, fell into SQ’s traps, never ever again.

  • Emorelle

    I haven’t looked but I remember paying 24.99 for the season pass. With Iggy’s dlc price will we even hit what we all payed for the season pass for everything

  • Yuntu

    Nope. It´s planned for the next console generation currently, don´t count on seeing it until that is revealed.

    However we know SE so we might see XVI or something with how early they pull the trigger :p

  • Yuntu

    That´s why you don´t buy a season pass.

  • Yuntu

    It´s 5$ per character episode and I assume the Comrades expansion will be 10$, something SE likes to do is selling their season pass at the same price the DLC would be buying it seperate.

  • Kyle

    I am down for round 2, but I’m also wanting to play the PC version, so I’m not sure what I should do.

  • Mehmed

    I wish they make a lot more DLC with a Season Pass.
    That would be great. And free updates and patches.

    And after all that they should just release a Definitive Edition.

  • Artemis Polara

    I called that so long ago.
    I was either expecting a second season pass or a full priced expansion pack. (Either one I’m honestly fine with)

  • Jon Idoncair

    then its like what is the point if it ends up being the same price anyways? lol

    season pass should be a discount offer compared to getting each DLC individually

  • Jon Idoncair

    I’ve long forgotten when games were released in a complete state with no content being paid DLC or seasoned ass as such. I know devs need more money for their games but there’s other ways to do this.

  • Jon Idoncair

    doesn’t help that the PC version is getting on this content as part of the base game regularly, not surprising tho lol

  • Yuntu

    exactly

    im against how SE does this, they treat it like a preorder instead of a discount

    thats why in general: don´t buy a season pass, regardless of which company does it – you never know what the product will be

    the only reason why i have this one is because i got it as a present, havnt even played through the game because they announced all these updates

  • Ray Muñoz

    RPGs should look to Witcher 3 for how to do DLC. Witcher 3 was a complete game on launch, and then the DLC went above and beyond and gave many more hours of gameplay.

  • Soldier Blue

    This is perhaps the best FFXV news following the PC release announcement. Things are looking up!

  • Soldier Blue

    What makes you think/ say that? Far as I know there is no ‘next gen’ in sight.
    The ps4 released in 2014. The next generation is the PS4pro / Xbox1x

  • Glen

    Final Fantasy VII remake is planned for PS4. Where do you get your info

  • Codes McGodes

    While I am glad they’re continuing to add new story content, their last roadmap was nine months ago and it had three goals. Their short term goal was fixing Chapter 13 and ring magic, which they sort of did. But now Chapter 13 is split in two, and not necessarily better for it, and the ring magic is super OP, so I’m not sure that’s “fixed”. Their mid-term goal was to enhance the second half of the game with additional story content, which they have yet to do aside from the one cutscene of Ravus and Iedolas that was added to Chapter 13. And their long term goal was to add more playable characters to the storyline as guest characters, which they have yet to do. They also wanted to add an avatar system, which they’ve done via multiplayer.

    So all in all, while I’m supportive of a new roadmap for more content, are they actually going to follow it? Or what? Because LITERALLY all anyone has asked for is more story, and they seem to be giving us everything but that so far.

  • stevenm281

    Tabata next project is not FF7R, its a new IP for next gen.

    FF7R belongs to Nomura.

  • Yuntu

    Not FF7R, Tabatas next game.

  • Zero_mask

    as much as everyone wants to get additional content for a game. this one is different all I see was the direction of this game wasnt too clear tbh. so why would anyone invest to this kind of direction. Id better invest to FFXIV which is so strong and rich in content. it feels more Final fantasy to me than this joke game edition of the franchise. you can feel the passion of devs in thier entry i feel empty to this game to concrete goals or anything they just joking around to this game.

  • NewestType

    If anything from the previous article is a hint, Id say this is based on general feedback. About XIV, since it’s a completely different team and apparently has so many subscriber, they likely feel it can stand on its own.

  • Maybe PS4 Pro and Xbox One X is what they meant when they said “next generation”..? Besides, we haven’t seen any exclusives for those consoles yet.

  • Randy Marsh

    Highly doubtful Type-next is anywhere past the conception point, considering all the time he has to still invest with FFXV.

  • dnx103

    Alright,thanks.

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  • Yuntu

    No, Tabata was clearly talking about next gen as in PS5.

    Keep in mind game development takes atleast 3 years, and theirs is gonna be a new IP – which often takes longer. So if they started planning it last year then it isnt there until the earliest late 2019 or early 2020.

  • Too little too late Square. I reall wish i could have waited but i traded in my game.

  • Devil’s Luck

    You never needed the season pass for the additional story content, so that’s a non-argument.

  • Vallen

    I will buy another season pass if we get more story episodes. Through the 3 episodes we got more insights into Gladio, Cor, Prompto, Aranea, Iggy, and Ravus – as well as a look at the Dark World through the multiplayer.

    Next, through a second Season Pass, we should get an episode on Ardyn’s Past, Regis, Lucci/Past Kings, The Empire, Luna, and Kingsglaive (perhaps tie-in DLC to the movie). I would pay another $30 for that.

  • stevenm281

    Count me in Square!

  • Noctis Leonhart Strife

    I also have new story content and cutcenes added to the main game. Not by way of special chapters. Some scenes from the second part of the main game should be rewritten and better developed. Because they are scenes that were very strange by the extremely fast form that was presented, if we do not pay enough attention we do not understand what happened. The final battle against the Ardyn should be redone, adding more difficulty and better sequences. Something similar to what they did with “FFXIV: A Realm Reborn” would be interesting to do with the XV.

    It would be interesting if this new season pass were totally free. This is well-suited for an image of the FFXV itself which has been heavily criticized because of the paid content that should have been part of the main game.

  • Stonespear

    It’ll have been a year. A year for a new roadmap? It’s not an MMO. Not a chance.

  • Stonespear

    Witcher 3 served to show us how a dedicated and skilled team makes a game and roadmap. They’ve shown me just how lacking in effort most other RPG games are.

  • Stonespear

    Exactly. If you’re holding out some hope for the game you wanted then stop giving them money. Stop giving them chances. You may, possibly, at some point get the game you wanted. However what you’re showing them is that their money making tactics are working and it promotes low effort releases.

  • Ryuke

    Are you having a laugh? Seriously SE, a second season pass? Is this some kind of twisted joke they’re playing on their fan base? Why would anyone in their right mind willingly jump on this as a good idea, with the bad taste that XV left in many mouths.
    The key quote here is “Hajime Tabata said the team wanted to create more stories that fill in what fans feel is missing from the main game.” So they want to fix what was missing by making fans pay for the privilege? Is this not a tremendous slap in the face to everyone who has played XV?
    All XV is turning into is a platform for SE to squeeze more cash out of, a service more than a game. Fragmented across various platforms and media types, to the point where the main game itself is so fragmented.
    Across various social media and gaming websites XV is pretty mocked as it is when looking at recent discussions, and this will only add to it and the negative impression that a lot of gamers have about the state of Final Fantasy as a modern franchise. Great back in the day, but completely out of touch with today’s gamers and being abused by SE as they know it will draw people in on the power of the name alone.

    The entire situation is getting ridiculous now, really. It’s such a frustrating situation too, being a Final Fantasy fan but also being a fan of not betting shafted every which way. On one hand you see the great work being done with XIV, and on the other you’ve got this mess with XV. You want to defend the series, but you also want to laugh at it.

  • Yuntu

    Type-next in fact doesn´t exist anymore. That got put on ice (or maybe completly cancelled?) due do XV.

    Unless you just meant that as a project name for their new IP.

  • Yuntu

    I would give XIII-2 as an example of why they do this, from a business perspective. Lightning Returns as well.

    XIII was a disappointment for people (well not me, but that isn´t the point) and XIII-2 still sold 3M copies and LR still got above 1M. People are extremly attached to this IP and SE, like any big publisher with its big IPs, knows that.

  • Ryuke

    Ditto. The Witcher 3 was exactly how to do everything right. Regardless of whatever parts of the game may have felt a bit off, or if the combat was a bit janky, it was made well, and supported well post-launch. Going back to play things like the Dragon Age Inquisition DLC after playing the Witcher 3 was a nightmare, as all I do now is pick holes in similar games for how it’s not done as well, or how something else feels lazy in comparison.

  • Randy Marsh

    Tabata’s new project. Keeps mentioning he has another project he wants to work on. I would assume it would be his next plans after he’s done fixing FFXV. However yes, the project has been put on a long hiatus since it’s initial conception in 2015 with Type-0’s secret ending and at the Hong Kong event, mainly due to FFXV’s minor debacle.

  • Paul Medert

    How is this a bad game they did an amazing job with it compare to xiii. Be happy they are putting in this much effort into making it more amazing. All people keep crying about it and worrying about vii(don’t even see why this is getting priority over any other titles).

  • Lucas Nóbrega Maia

    mostly of story updates were free , only 4 of them were actually needed to pay , so it’s not a bad thing.
    First of all , we all know how messy it was their development , Tabata or Nomura try to denied this , but it’s a fact , so to try complete this game even after it’s release is a good thing.
    You put FF4 as example of good Final Fantasy , did you know their first version of Final Fantasy 14 was so horrible that they need to apologize in public for that and created that Realm Reborn “expansion”? At most , FF15 is repeating that same experience.

  • Lucas Nóbrega Maia

    season pass gives to you all DLC items , some exclusive to Season Pass players , Ragnarok Blade is one of those.
    But I agree with Yuntu , until now , FFXV’s season pass is not something really interesting to buy.

  • Diego Pinheiro

    I am laughing now because you missunderstood the new. Haha Everything relative to plot story will be free. The new Year DLC will be to expand the lore and the world. This post didnt make the news very clear.

  • Soldier Blue

    The highly acclaimed FFXIV went through much of the same trouble, very well noted.

  • Soldier Blue

    I’ve been saying this from the very start:

    We need access to Insomnia in some way or form, period.

    There are many reasons for why it should have been included in the game from the get go, especially from a narrative perspective, but the main reason is that no one should have to watch a bloated movie to understand the stakes of the game and where the main leads are coming from.

    They must find a way to set the stage properly so there’s more meaning to what characters are doing in the game. That would go a long way in helping XV stand on it’s own.

    What are they trying to recover? Why is Luna important to Noctis? Why is he important to her?
    Why et al.

    I hope that’s what Tabata was alluding to when he said they needed to solidify the character’s backstory so players can better relate to their stories.

  • Ryuke

    I played FFXIV 1.0 and am aware of the relaunch for 2.0 / A Realm Reborn. It was hardly an expansion, it was literally the entire game re-created from the ground up. This was pretty much unprecedented for a game at the time, and it was done at a cost to SE, as they did not charge at all for their mistake and the time taken to fix it. Nor did they charge for the relaunch of A Realm Reborn as existing players received the new version of the game for free.

    SE is trying to pull this off again, but with a single player RPG that has already launched for the full price, and with a season pass at a premium price, which sends a vastly different message. Especially when it is essentially to give them time and money to put content in the game which should have been there at launch.

  • stevenm281

    Tabata confirmed that Type-Next is not in production and won’t be for a while as his team is now working for a new IP for next-gen.

  • stevenm281

    PS4 Pro uses the same games as PS4, its not a new generation.

  • stevenm281

    PS4 Pro plays the same games as PS4 so its not a new generation of games.

    The next gen may not be in sight, but there will be one and Tabata wants to be ready for it.

  • Ryuke

    I never said it was a bad game? My opinion of XV is that it is a disappointing game. But that’s not what anything in my comment referred to at all, so that’s irrelevant.

    “Amazing job” would be subjective, really. Much like my opinion of XV as a disappointing game is subjective.
    I think XIII is vastly superior to XV as it tells a complete (but admittedly convoluted) story, has a start and an end, and its focus is the characters and the narrative. The soundtrack is brilliant, and the trademark CGI cutscenes gorgeous and add to the story being told.
    To me, XV had expansive lore and a great world built, but then nothing ever came of it. The game told part of a story, missed out on telling some of the most important parts of the story, and now is receiving paid DLC to plug those story holes. Aside from looking pretty and sounding great with another great soundtrack, everything else let me down. It was an enjoyable but empty open world game that didn’t really tick any Final Fantasy boxes for me.

    Regardless, that does not mean I want to see the series crash and burn. And I feel SE is doing all that it can to ensure that it does. It’s not “crying”, its a discussion.

  • xMysticx

    is SE serious ? …….
    holy shit SQuare and people will fall for this again

  • Marc Balgro

    If its free I wont mind, but one of the things I would like as extra content which wont bother me is for an extend map of Insomnia where we can at least explore more of it, incluiding as well a secret or alternate boss of a daemon turned Drautos “Glauca” haunting the remains of Insomnia, kind like Nemesis of Resident Evil 3 that chases the player around the map plus more challenging than daemon Ravus and the other monsters or bosses that lurk the area. I would like it cause Noctis and gang, most of all Gladiolus, have a score to settle agains him for killing Regis and Clarus, but at the same time understand the true reason of his betrayal while they fighting him.

  • Stonespear

    These story fixes should have been mandatory with the release of the game. Failing that they should’ve been their TOP priority for post-launch development. Instead what do we get? A carnival, cut-out story DLC that should’ve been in the game anyway, and a multiplayer mode?

    What are you doing, Square? If the launch was a forgivable mistake then the incompetence you’ve shown with the last year of the game has been the final nail in not only its coffin, but future numbered titles, too. I will not be buying another FF game until I have had a chance to read reviews and watch footage. I refuse to trust them anymore. Even my favourite game FFXIV is starting to become a little stale with the same systems repeated in every patch and nothing fresh, and that team managed to completely REMAKE a game in a year.

  • More of the same BS

  • Soldier Blue

    I agree, Insomnia should be promptly available for exploration.
    Parts of it may still be in ruin, but it’d be nice to see citizens slowly starting to rebuilt it to its former glory, like Midgar in FFVII AC.

  • Games Das

    I won’t spend a single penny after spending $89.99 for Final Fantasy XV.If Square Enix forces me to,I will just pirate the game and download its torrent on the PC.
    I was thinking of forgiving Square Enix for their misdeeds when I read about the extra content they will be adding to the game.But this is just unacceptable.
    To add,perhaps Final Fantasy XV will be the only game in history to have more than one Season Pass.

  • Games Das

    He must never be given another game.

  • Games Das

    Except for if you didn’t have to pay for it,remember that.

  • •december

    I was expecting to see excitement for the additional content,
    but instead only see sour, bitter comments about spending more money, lol.
    Sigh!

    …It should be free, no questions, considering everyone who had Season Pass since day 1,
    but an additional season pass worth of content is definitely welcome!
    Look on the bright side

  • •december

    Technically it will be…
    Comrades is coming lol

  • •december

    The story is there, they just didn’t force it all out in time for it to make sense.

  • •december

    It can only go up from here!

  • •december

    Makes me wonder…
    …will the 2018 PC Edition get the same Season Pass treatment?

  • Yuntu

    PC edition will have the current SP included. As in, unless they actually do this and dont just think about it, it will launch without any SP.

  • Games Das

    As if…

  • •december

    …Another whole season pass worth of CONTENT?
    Yes, please. – FREE? Would be perfect, but anyways.
    What they need to do is bring Chapter 1 to 15 up to the standard set by that brilliant OST Soundtrack that FFXV has; still the best in-game music I’ve heard, or atleast my favourite.

    The passion from FFVersus13 carried over into songs like Omnis Lacrima, NOCTIS, Valse di Fantastica, Somnus etc. but the game is still far behind in terms of quality.

  • •december

    Then bih why are you here

  • •december

    Sorry I mean like the SP content, not the actual season pass

  • Games Das

    Because I paid $89.99 even though it never deserved it.

  • •december

    Ok so you’re mad.
    So am I, for similar reasons, but i’m over it.
    Pitioss is still one of the best experiences during FFXV…
    you must still have hope that they will un-shit this game and make it worth the 89 bucks in the end aren’t you lol

  • Yuntu

    yes Gladio, Prompto, Ignis and Comrades will all be included within the game at launch without additional cost

    atleast thats how they said it

  • Games Das

    …and for paying more money so that the price goes over $100,which is way more than the cost of Gold Edition of most games nowadays.I hope you know that a Gold Edition includes the base game,season pass and any update that comes after the release till the end of time.

  • •december

    This is why I’m hoping season pass will function like that Gold edition, lol.
    Details in November…

  • Games Das

    Cheers to you for buying the additional season pass and cheers to me for downloading the torrent on pc.

  • •december

    That’s just it we don’t have further information on the season pass or even a reason to get it, plus season pass 1 hasn’t finished with Episode Ignis coming in December. We will find out in November

  • Randy Marsh

    Oh really? Interesting. I guess fell behind in the Tabati news lol.

  • Codes McGodes

    I would also support a Kingsglaive DLC. I’m sure they would never add it, but it’s always disappointed me that they removed the Insomnia invasion from the game. That would have been a way better opening than “hurr the car broke down, guess we gotta push”. An invasion where we got to play as Nyx or Regis though, ending with a boss battle against glauca would be awesome. It’s just annoying that we only ever get to see a few city blocks of the ruined Insomnia in game.

  • TheRoommate

    Agreed. Just for that, I’m going to pirate the game and ALL The content. Fuck them.

  • TheRoommate

    You have tons of retarded enablers that eat this dumb shit up and ruin it for everyone else that has a brain.

  • TheRoommate

    The game was fucking ASS. The gameplay was made for retards.

  • xMysticx

    i have to agree

  • Paul Medert

    And what is a superior FF to you.

  • Ryuke

    They’re pretty valid comments about spending more money, to be fair. Blindly throwing money at bad practices like this will only encourage it.

    However… If, and that’s a massive IF, the content / new season pass is free then of course this isn’t a bad thing, and welcome more content. But I highly doubt it’s going to be free, or else why even mention a season pass. You’d just say new content.

  • Ryuke

    I didn’t misunderstand anything. Have they said it is free? No. Have they said it will cost? No. We don’t know yet. However, the language used and mentioning a new season pass would imply they intend to charge for it, or else why have a season pass at all you’d just release it as new content / patches.
    Everything relative to the story so far has been in the paid DLC / season pass. Why would they change that? There is nothing here to suggest everything relative to the story will be free.

  • Ryuke

    The soundtrack is indeed glorious. The blu-ray OST that came with the game sounds wonderful. It’s definitely a highlight of the game for sure, Shimomura did an amazing job.

  • Diego Pinheiro

    Yes man. You missunderstood and now you are angry because of it. Watch the TGS universe trailer or some translation from the last time report. You will see that everything related to the story will be free. The new DLC will be to expand the game.

  • Ryuke

    I’m angry? Thank you for informing me of that, as I hadn’t realised myself. Especially considering I haven’t misunderstood anything at all, I am commenting based on the information we have, which is that they are considering a second season pass and whether it is free or not has not been referenced anywhere.

    Unless, of course, you have access to some inside information that no one has been told yet, but please feel free to direct or source me to where it is stated that it will be free. It is not mentioned in the TGS trailer or the Active Time Report, both of which you mention.

  • stevenm281

    From what I heard, the lore and world will be through the Free Story Updates.

    The new Season Pass DLCs, on the other hand, will be 4 character episodes.
    I think it will be about: Luna, Iris (for sure), then maybe Cor, Gentiana, or Aranea.

    Ardyn’s Past is supposed to be through a new game, a movie or a manga.

  • stevenm281

    Based on experience, Season Pass will be charged for sure, its an optional thing, providing DLCs unrelated to the main game, or you buy the DLC you want without the Pass.

    Story Updates, as depicted in the TGS trailer, and then clarified during the presentation, will be free and tied into the main game.

  • Stonespear

    Exactly. FFXIV was shut down in the interim after giving players a formal apology, not charging subscriptions and remaking the whole game at their own expense.

    It’s not a good example, they’re just both called Final Fantasy.

  • Cloud

    I loved Final Fantasy XV, but the story was rushed like a trailer for an action movie or an ad for Netflix. The open world was beautiful, but many times the exploration felt cramped, the combat was good ( The camera angles was a BIG problem for a game like this.)
    The character development was in the same level of what we see in a average fighting game. ( A short prologue in the begining of the arcade mode, and a brief CG at the ending) but this is an Rpg… This list could be waaaay longer, but I’ll stop here.
    Again I loved Final Fantasy XV, but I don’t want to see Tabata close to a numbered title ever again. As long this game keeps him occupied, fine by me.
    For Final Fantasy XVI I want a fresh face, like Yoko Taro, his unorthodox way of thinking and directing skills would create a masterpied.

  • Ryuke

    Thank you. Yeah that’s a bit clearer, although I suppose it’s a blurred line between what you’d class as a story update, and what falls into the “lore and world” DLC. As the way I see it, lore, world, and story all fall in together and should be one and the same. For example a DLC based on Luna, Iris or any of the other underused characters I’d see as being part of the story and expanding on the story that’s there. It holds the same value to me as a free story update containing more story featuring the Astrals.

    It comes across, to me at least, as dangling the carrot with free story updates which sound vital to the story, then pushing the paid DLC and another season pass to experience more which the devs say isn’t vital, and purely optional, but in the grand scheme of things is just as vital to someone like me who values story and character development the most.

  • stevenm281

    I agree with you, none of those character episodes should be separate from the main game, it should be part of it, hence the reason I used ” ” with the word unrelated.

  • Justice V

    Like Yuntu said, not to mention that’s usually how all ports work when the port comes out much later than the original. Tomb Raider on PS4 is a good example, all the DLC (plus extra stuff not on the xbox version) came with the game at launch on the later platform. Most (if not all) PC ports of other games usually come with all DLC already included. Only time that usually doesn’t happen is if the games are released simultaneously or before all the DLC has come out in the first place.

  • Justice V

    $89.99’s ot bad considering some of us paid around $300 heh.

  • Justice V

    Hmm Considering the game was meant to be played as just Noctis alone, any updates that include other playable characters (whether filling in story details or not) I’m fine with paying for as they were never even originally intended to be in there. Story stuff that expands the original gameplay such as the extra bits in Chapter 13, and hopefully much much more like it, should and sound to be free from what the new trailer and ATR are saying. I get the desire to want free things to fix what was missing, but things that never should have been in there (in a playable sense) don’t make sense to me to be free. Of course it would be awesome if they were.

    Gladio/Ignis/Prompto/Luna/Iris/Ravus/whoever story parts would have been fine as cutscenes or in game story parts, but I also get their desire to have the entire story only viewable from Noct’s perspective (even if they deviated from that a little bit here and there). I would have preferred a fully expanded story told from everyone’s point of view though as it usually helps fill in all those gaps we don’t see/know when we only have one perspective on things.

  • stevenm281

    But FF is not about a single protagonist, unless its something like Lightning Returns which wasnt considered part of the mainline series.

    Therefore, their decision to only include Noctis events, which isnt true as there are cutscenes already in the game that he has no idea that are happening, like the one about the Empire early on, the only one where Verstael is seen, was a very bad idea and needs to be rectified, and can easily be done by integrating everything in the main-game (through prompts to load the appropriate DLC at the right time).

  • Justice V

    Yep I agree for the most part.

  • Lucas Nóbrega Maia

    I don’t entirely blame Tabata for FFXV’s problem , this game was in development hell , it was thanks to him that we could see this game lauch.
    Besides , the same problems were adressed to FF14 , forcing it’s director to make A Realm Reborn and now is knowed as a masterpiece.

  • Jesiah Grant

    Going to be a long time till I can buy a complete copy of XV with all DLC included on disc. Wish I waited for that instead of caving and getting the Ultimate Collectors Edition….

  • Codes McGodes

    I put a lot of the blame on Tabata because a lot of the story was changed under his direction. I mean there were so many scenes that were in the trailers that never even made it into the game. Noctis’ childhood gone, Luna’s dark past gone, Verstael gone, Iedolas gone, Glauca gone, Regis’ agreement with Bahamut gone, the entire Insomnia invasion gone and remade into a movie. It’s pretty clear the game was originally supposed to be very dark but Tabata wanted to change it to the more light hearted road trip atmosphere we got. And tbh he was very successful in doing that. The first several hours are a lot of fun but the overall story suffered tremendously because of it. And just like the past several directors have done, he spent way too much time perfecting the graphics instead of working on the stuff that actually matters like the story.

    Don’t get me wrong, FFXV’s development was a mess and you’re right, it’s not all Tabata’s fault. But I think he had a totally different vision for the game than Nomura did, and that’s part of the reason the story suffered so much. He also worked on Type-0 though, and that game’s story was a mess too. Also as much as I’m hoping they’ll fix FFXV the way they fixed FFXIV, it’s a little different being a single player experience. FFXIV sort of had to be rebooted because it’s meant to be a 10+ year experience. With FFXV, the vast majority of people will play it once and be done with it, so it’s not as worth investing the time or resources to change it.

  • Games Das

    Final Fantasy XV’s music was not even near to Dark Souls 3’s music.Listen to them if you want to understand what I mean by it,especially Abyss Watchers,Twin Princes,Sister Elfriede,Demon Prince,Darkeater Midir and Slave Knight Gael.This doesn’t mean others are less good.It is just the ones I loved the most from the Soundtrack Discs that I bought on Amazon.
    As a composer,Yuka Kitamura is way too superior to Yoko Shimomura,remember that.
    Also a company for making better quality of games,both Bandai Namco and FromSoftware easily surpass Square Enix.

  • Games Das

    After spending $299.99,if you want to pay more money to Square Enix,then Cheers to you.If you don’t,like most of those you have really played the game and know its true worth,just download the torrent that will be made available early 2018 which will be later on updated to included all the game content released later in 2018.
    Heh Heh …torrenting never felt so good…

  • NoctLightCloud

    Are you really just comparing MUSIC? Let them enjoy whatever they want.

  • NoctLightCloud

    If that means more story and a possible addition of playable characters in the main story, then yes please! I don’t understand why they can’t add the 3 bros + Aranea, Iris and Cor as playable chars in the main game, I mean, they’ve already “programmed” their move sets and everything?

  • Games Das

    Please read the ongoing conversation properly before making any comments.

  • Games Das

    Don’t compare a masterpiece with an overpriced milking junk.

  • Games Das

    At least,we must get what we are paying for,a notion that Square Enix has clearly forgotten.There is a 99.99% possibility that all the updates bound to be released in 2018 must be accessed through a second Season Pass for which you have to pay more.

  • Games Das

    Well said.

  • Games Das

    That’s not the case will all games,remember that.

  • Games Das

    Not regardless of any company,only Square Enix because thay don’t know the meaning of a Season Pass.

  • NoctLightCloud

    I did. You clearly compared composers, while in fact, music and arts will always depend on personal taste only. Every musician knows that. No one is superior to anyone.

  • Ryuke

    That’s a matter of personal opinion and tastes. It’s completely subjective, so you aren’t stating facts you are stating your opinion.
    For example – I’m not a fan of the Dark Souls music at all, it all sounds the same to me, very dark, gothic and lots of chanting which just doesn’t appeal to me. When playing Dark Souls I’ve never stopped playing and thought “this music is great”, I’ve just got on with playing the game.
    A great soundtrack, to me, is something you notice when playing. When you listen to it separate from the game afterwards you are taken back to that specific moment in the game and can reminisce. Shimomura did that for me with XV and also with her work on Kingdom Hearts, which is also outstanding.

    If we were to compare composers, then *technically* I can’t see how you could say Kitamura is superior considering she has only worked on Dark Souls and Bloodborne, which are all thematically similar. I’d consider any composer with a large and varied portfolio over her, but that’s not to say that in years to come once expanding her catalog she won’t be up there with the greats. But again, opinions, everyone has them.

  • Games Das

    You said right,neither did I care for Final Fantasy XV’s music.

  • Games Das

    Talk for yourself,Maestro or at least,a wannabe.

  • Jesiah Grant

    Considering selling my UCE, don’t have a PC that could run FFXV, so physical copy for me. More power to you though, torrenting can be a tasty alternative 😉

  • Dod

    Damn, you’re pretty cocky my dude, or should I say frustrated ? Time to step down a little bit and treat people with respect. There is no hierarchy in music and you are certainly not entitled to Adolf Hitler us on what we like and what we don’t like – composer or not.

  • Noneofyourbusiness

    This discussion is pointless because NieR:Automata’s soundtrack surpasses them both. 😉

  • Lucas Nóbrega Maia

    well , it needs to make more moves , so that can be upgraded by us.
    Also , it needs a character change command , but both of this can be resolved.

  • mirrio

    And you should drop that ignorant mentality

  • Kafka

    You’re part of the problem with the games industry atm. Developers keep getting more greedy and idiots keep giving them money, rewarding them for these greedy anti consumer practices. SE are disgusting. To release an incomplete game and then have the nerve to lock the rest of the content behind not one, but 2 season passes. Its beyond sick and you’re ruining it for the rest of us. Way to go, lemming.

  • •december

    So you’re saying technology should advance and games should use better technologies, but companies should be paid the exact same for their entire career…
    …Yes I’m the problem

  • Kafka

    I’m saying a company should release a complete game for a single price. Not something incomplete and then gouge the customer for content that should have been included in the first place. Also games are more expensive now than they were years ago. You’re either willfully ignorant or lying if you say they aren’t. Season passes are already anti consumer, but to release a second is beyond greed. You are part of the problem because you will allow them to get away with this crap. Other companies will see that and take note. So again I say, you are a lemming and ruining the industry. Well done

  • Ed Cross

    I’ve read that Tabata requested another 6 months to release but was denied. The snowy area around Shiva’s corpse (which was awesome) was planned to be an open world-explorable area. The whole locked-in linear play of the last few chapters was due to time constraints. I’d love to see them finish these other areas, like around Tenebrae and Cartanica, and in Niflheim. That would make a very, very good game nearly perfect! I’d rather see this than the addition of other playable characters, though playable Iris and A.Highwind would be so sweet.

    There was an ingame vote a couple months back about what fans would like to see added in the future. I voted for more World of Ruin story, but I believe more Ardyn story, which is related to that, won. That will be cool too.

  • Ed Cross

    I get your point. However, FF15, to me, is a great game. Complete? Well, yes and no. More could have been added, but just like with movies, stuff gets left on the cutting room floor. I personally have no problem paying for a season pass if they give us good content. I mean for what, 15 bucks we got Episodes Gladi, Prompto, Ignis, and the multiplayer Comrades soon to be released. To me, that’s a good deal, and enhances an already great world that I love.

  • Ed Cross

    Agree. I thought you too debated with civility and intelligence 🙂 Good on you.

  • Ed Cross

    I have no issues with paying for the Season Passes if they are giving us real content, which they are. It’s not like they are asking us to pay-to-win, or for cosmetics, etc.

    Also, since they are giving us real gameplay, it does cost money. They have to pay salaries, resource costs…

  • Ed Cross

    Games Das, personally, I wouldn’t brag about stealing the game, then wonder why the company needs to try and make money for providing new game content for players.

  • Ed Cross

    Nice posts, Marc, Codes, Soldier Blue. I agree. I’d love to see explorable Insomnia, as well as the ice-area near Nifelheim where lay Shiva’s corpse. That was originally to be explorable, but Square refused more development time to Tabata.

  • Kafka

    I’m sorry, but you’re just objectively wrong. It wasn’t a complete game and the content that you were happy to pay an additional £15 should have been included in the game already. All you’re doing is helping to set a bad precedent that will have repercussions for the rest of the industry down the line. In short you’re ruining it for the rest of us.

  • stevenm281

    But at the same time, if I don’t pay, I don’t experience the new developments, and I work my ass off 5 days a week to be able to pay for my entertainment, and trust me, nothing will stop me from buying additional content for games I like.

    Yes it sucks, it would be better as a one package deal, but thats life, and development cost so much nowadays, everyday companies closes, and I don’t want my favorite company to disappear, so as long as they give something in exchange for our money, I feel both sides win.

    They have to spend money on salary and what not during the development of DLCs and free updates, you have to be pretty cheap to not be willing to pay a dime as their DLCs aren’t expensive, 5$ for a character episode is nothing.

  • Shinobuden

    I couldn’t agree more. Seriously, it’s like SE is trying to reach for EA levels of greedy at this point. One season pass, alright. Two? That is beyond absurd and corporate greed at its finest. Continually charging consumers for content that was supposed to be in the game from the very beginning is inexcusable, and anyone who enables this kind of practice by actually paying for it is, in every sense of the word, an imbecile.

  • Shinobuden

    Then you’re also a part of the problem. The reason devs get away with this kind of thing is because people like you enable the corporate greed that is becoming more and more prevalent in this industry. Also, there is no “yes and no” about XV being complete. It was an incomplete mess. This is irrefutable fact no matter what your personal opinion is because the game itself reflected this. Half the game was cut out and the game suffered terribly because of it, and now they want people to pay even more money for content that should have been in the game to begin with. It’s inexcusable no matter how you try to swing it.

    But, you know, continue being a sheep and all that.

  • Kafka

    I’m done talking about this. You’re clearly too stupid to get it as youve either completely missed the point or are ignoring it. They released an incomplete mess of a game and are now gouging the consumer for even more money on a second season pass, to fill holes in content that shouldn’t have been there in the first place. Fact is SE just can’t develop for shit these days. Everything they dev themselves is a shit show. Like I already said, youre an idiot and you’re ruining the industry by allowing them to get away with this greed. Whether you like it or not, your favourite company is disgusting and more and more people are holding that opinion lately.

  • Artemis_Polara

    Dude, insulting the other party is not the way to argue a point. Objectively speaking XV was incomplete. We know why as well given they weren’t given enough time to put everything in. So while it would be nice to have waited another few years for them to finish and publish a completed product, it didn’t happen. I myself am somewhat disapointed with the final result, but not unhappy either. I enjoy the game and will support it. Sure the stuff not included should’ve probably been included. Hell it would still have been nice to see Versus. However I’m not deluded enough to reject what is for what could’ve been. (I’m not saying you’re doing that last bit but I just want it to be clear where I stand here).
    So XV is incomplete, how people like that though is still subjective and given they could’ve just left the game after Episode Ignis or not even have bothered with a first season pass and not many updates even, they decided to continue to add content. I’m fine with all that. It doesn’t bother me to have to pay a little extra. I got my money’s worth for the base game so I think continuing will continue to satisfy me.
    Whether you think I’m also what’s wrong with the gaming industry doesn’t bother me. I’ll support games I enjoy and say “fuck off” to others which pull a bunch of bullshit.

  • Kyoji Shirakani

    And you know what WOULD make Square give more dev time to Tabata? Money coming in from… dun dun dun… a 2nd Season Pass!

    Yet here we have a bunch of entitled millennials screaming about how that is killing the game industry. No, what EA is doing with SW BF2 is the cancer killing gaming. Asking for money to develop additional content is perfectly fair.

  • William Christopher Ledgering

    Open roam for comrades or free zone missions for specific areas