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Dengeki talks Physics and Movement in Lightning Returns By Ehren Rivers on November 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM

In the most recent Dengeki interview, the development team discussed, among other things, the challenges of creating a system with so much varied and customizable equipment that actually appeared out of battle. TensaiShojo illuminated the bulk of the interview for us, with some interesting development reveals mixed in. Lumina, for example, is supposed to look like a 12-years-old girl. Her extravagant movements were made to look especially realistic.

In Final Fantasy XIII-2, Serah and Noel had alternate outfits but they were few enough for the developers to check thoroughly. However, in Lightning Returns, Lightning will have over 80 outfits and this makes it practically impossible for the developers to check every little detail. For example, if Lightning is carrying a long weapon on her back, it might occasionally go through her outfit. The developers made sure to fix major problems, like keeping her dresses and skirts from flying up while she fights. There were many times when her underwear became entirely exposed in the more revealing costumers. The Miqo’te outfit was especially difficult to fix because the skirt wouldn’t stop turning over. Despite careful adjustments, players can freely move the camera during cutscenes or when taking screenshots, so panty-shots couldn’t be eliminated entirely in those costumes.

Weapons and shields were also very difficult to alter. There is a scene where Lightning points her sword at an enemy, but depending on the size of the chosen weapon, the sword would sometimes pierce the enemy when it wasn’t supposed to. The developers did their best to scale the weapons to look natural during scenes, but some weapons like the sword you seem to obtain from a Behemoth, are hilariously huge.

Next, the creators talked about the tone of the story. Final Fantasy XIII-2 was originally planned to be a light-hearted game where fans could enjoy playing with their favorite characters again, so a few staff members were very surprised when the story took a darker tone and grew into a trilogy. The story of Lightning Returns is obviously darker in keeping with that twist, but players need not worry about the end.

The two developers were then asked about their favorite scenes. Tanaka-san likes a scene where, while sneaking into Yusnaan, Lightning gets embarrassed before she gets up on the stage. He also enjoys the entire scenario of healing the wounded chocobo. Miyake-san likes a certain scene with Sazh that was not discussed at length. The two also warn players of going through the game too fast, as some cutscenes can be easily missed. Of course, players can go back and find such scenes with multiple playthroughs.

Scenes were apparently a little harder for the development team to complete this time around. The cutscene developers had a tough time creating events because not all of the character models and background environments were complete. They had to use many placeholders and unfinished settings before they went back and polished the scenes. In Lightning Returns, all of the locations are absolutely new, so, compared to FFXIII-2, it took a longer time for the world to be created. Also, the story was not entirely complete before development began, so there were quite a few times when scenes had to be redone in order to meet Toriyama-san’s alterations. As for the character voices, in the past the voice-actors recorded their lines before any cutscenes were fully completed. The creators then used the voices as a base for the characters’ emotions and lip-movement. This time, the voice-actors recorded after the scenes were finished.

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  • Karysonson

    “Lumina, for example, is supposed to look like a 12-years-old girl”
    So that’s why she’s flat chested……
    lolololololol
    On a serious note though why did they make her that tall if she’s supposed to look 12?

  • Somber

    Lumina is 12 years old? she’s already matured in my eyes. 😛
    This whole new update is hilarious as hell.

  • miss chel

    It’s a bit surprising that Lumina is supposed to look like a 12-year-old girl. She looks older than 12 to me.

  • Wassim Mokhtar

    Hahaha they must gone through some definite hardships alright with accidental reveal of character’s underwears and all. But nonetheless they’ve done a fantastic job, especially the highly noticeable lip syncing for the english version for the FF XIII series. Keep it up, I can’t wait to play LR.

    Oh and lightning….. embarassed on stage? O.o NEED TO SEE THAT SCENE

  • Sapientia

    I thought Lumina to be somewhere around 16, huh.
    Awesome write-up, I was waiting for some kind of translation/summary of the article to pop up.

  • Wazi the pa

    Im glad that XIII-2 had a dark toned story, It just gave such an interesting cliff hanger at the end
    Oh btw I’m gonna be using this account from now on.
    (Wassim Mokhtar)

  • Wazi the pa

    What I really wanna know is that, could she be Serah’s daughter but Snow has no clue or is just hiding it from Lightning? Or could it be Lightning’s daughter or or or….. god damn it, the list goes on and on

  • Somber

    Who knows. xD

  • Somber

    Lumina’s concept art! – http://24.media.tumblr.com/d79d036e86cf1392e5637163ddcc2b30/tumblr_mwg7vi94Cp1t116ego1_500.jpg

    She’s really a kid in there. xD

  • Karysonson

    “accidental reveal of character’s underwears”
    when was this?

  • Leon Aether

    “There is a scene where Lightning points her sword at an enemy, but depending on the size of the chosen weapon, the sword would sometimes pierce the enemy when it wasn’t supposed to.”
    It’s already dead mate. Nothing to apologize for, really. We are gonna make sure that most monsters will be extinct in Nova Crysallia… Lightning is pissed off! 🙂

  • Billy Jackson

    Kids these days…

  • Randy Marsh

    This whole interview makes this game’s development sound like a real hectic one indeed and I’m really glad they pushed back the release date for this game now. The end result looks really good and lot of care and detail obviously went into almost every little thing. Can’t wait to start playing this on Saturday!

  • Jaundré

    In my mind Lumina will still stay 16. I am pleased to hear SE has taken time to sort out the little details, however where I am from the 14 Feb is going to be quite a bad time for LR to come out. All of us have holiday now until 15 Jan and then it is back to work. We are all playing COD ghosts and other games so by the time 14 Feb comes no-one will buy the game here (except me). So…21 of Nov would have been awesome if the english version came out. Things like these make me sad…:(

  • Serah Farron

    She’s supposed to look 12?… oh. >_>

    ” but players need not worry about the end.”
    I’m still paranoid after XIII-2’s ending but, oh what the heck. I’ll put all my faith in that statement. and then cry in a corner if it’s not what I’m hoping for/expecting.

  • XYFEIR

    “Final Fantasy XIII-2 was originally planned to be a light-hearted game where fans could enjoy playing with their favorite characters again”

    Well that quickly changed at the end,didn’t it? XD And it’s funny, they said for this game is that Light had her emotions sapped, yet she seems just as much, if not more so, full of emotions (that white chocobo scene *squee*)

  • Mateus.E

    She looks just like Serah,and she was 18-20 years old.

  • Mateus.E

    well,it was 80% lighthearted,well,except for the moments post academia 400 af.

  • OathkeeperSoraXIII

    Panty shots! Light getting embarrassed, giant weapon obtained by defeating a Behemoth and they pretty much confirmed that the ending is going to be happy. I’m loving everything about this game so far. I really want to play it! >.<

  • OathkeeperSoraXIII

    I’m hoping it’ll get released on the Gaikai streaming service for PS4. I think it would be a smart move. Maybe that’s just because it would be more convenient to me though lol

  • Sapientia

    Happy ending for Lightning might be a different definition of “happy” for us.

  • Sapientia

    I’m not playing COD: Ghosts. 😛

  • Sapientia

    Hmm?

  • Jaundré

    Can you read Japanese? Heard it takes like 900 hrs before you are “moderately” fluent. From now until 21 Nov I dont have 900 hrs…Jealous of you!!

  • Jaundré

    There is only one problem…the price of a PS4…tempted but Christmas presents takes priority unfortunately :(.

  • Jaundré

    Upvote to you. First two words of your post are enough 😉

  • Ehren Rivers

    During the development of Lightning Returns. From what I’ve been told, originally they were using a pretty accurate physics engine and they improved on the Eyes of the Goddess fragment skill from XIII-2 (which allow slight camera movement during scenes). Partway into development, they realized most of the skirt and dress outfits could be peaked under and a number of them even became exposed through actions Lightning took in event scenes. So, they tweaked their engine around to try and prevent that as much as possible. Sounds like a few outfits may have had lengthened skirts/undershorts added to that end too.

  • XYFEIR

    If I’m right, Toriyama said the fans will be happy. And I don’t know about you, but I won’t be happy until Serah comes back, and they all live happily ever after! XP

  • Jaundré

    Following u on twitter!

  • Ehren Rivers

    Hahaha, thanks. I don’t really use my twitter much, but ah well. 😛

  • Renge

    She looks like a combine of Lightning — with that jaggy hair at the right — and Serah — with that ponytail at the left. The hair color is without a doubt the same as Lightning and Serah, and the eye color is the same as Serah at CG. (sea blue).

    Maybe their dad and mom have another child they don’t know about.

  • Ehren Rivers

    MAJOR update everyone! Apparently, people were asking Yoshinori Kitase about the time consumption in Lightning Returns on Twitter. Some people voiced the concern of what would happen to their playthrough if they fell asleep or got pulled away unexpectedly. Kitase-san replied, “If Lightning remains motionless for more than a minute, the game will automatically pause, so don’t worry.”

    For reference, an in-game hour is supposed to be 2 minutes and 30 seconds. So, you’re barely losing any time at all. 🙂

  • DarmusXIII

    Awesome 🙂

  • Ryuukishi

    That is pretty cool. Would be better if there was an animation of Lightning laying down and taking a nap. 🙂

  • Ryuukishi

    Yeah, she looks maybe a little bit younger than Serah, maybe, but certainly not 12.

  • Loz_The_Punisher

    New video that shows lightning kicking and such! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdgbHbmgNzo

  • Jean Paiva

    Lol this looks like, Liquid, Solid and Solidus.

  • iLoveLightning

    So it’s not one hour any more? PRAISE THE MOFUKING LAWD!

  • iLoveLightning

    Best take your eyes of my gurl!

  • XYFEIR

    Hey now, what do you mean “YOUR” girl? ;P

  • Ehren Rivers

    If you’re talking about the in-game days, they are still an hour. 2.5 minutes is an in-game hour. 2.5 minutes times 24 is 60 minutes. 24 in-game hours, making for a full in-game day, is one real-world hour.

    What happened here is that the game automatically goes to the pause screen if you just stand around for too long.

  • Jaundré

    Hahaha. Lightning age: 21 + Me: 21 = Match. You: 16 + Light = No match. Hahaha love how we are fightning over Lightning! Just to be clear: My girl!! 😉

  • minato arisato

    Lightning has 521 years old XD

  • Mateus.E

    Still,we have to consider…originally they made her look just like Serah…but then,well,they made her hair look just like Light,while using Serah’s ponytail instead of hanging her heir on her left shoulder…Also,Serah could have gotten that ponytail habit from Light,you never know.And Serah has those markings under her eyes,Lumina does not. And this “age” thing.She does not look like 12 years old,i would say 16 years old…but SE is not stupid to do or say this accidentally.It must be a hint.

  • iLoveLightning

    She’s 521 years old. IN YO’ FACE GURLFREN’

  • Billy Jackson

    They’re always dressing inappropriately and trying to be someone who they’re not.

  • iLoveLightning

    Whoops, I’m an idiot and read your post wrong! Thought it said 1 day is 2 hours and 30 seconds… Got my hopes up for nothing.

  • Mateus.E

    Light stayed for quite a “while” on the Vallhala hotel.Well,how do we count it?Infinite + 521 years?

  • XYFEIR

    Well that’s outside of time, so not sure if you wanna count that. o3o

  • Ehren Rivers

    If you judge by realworld time, it has been 1,021 years since Lightning’s birth. Her experience in Valhalla is immeasurable, as it is from countless loops-within-loops in a world where time does not flow. Her time in crystal stasis would mean she would not have technically aged either.

  • Jaundré

    Ok, here is proof that she is 21 years old: While Lightning was in Valhalla and in her crystal stasis for her to age would mean that the time differential component of an 4 dimensional vector would have to be nonzero, the vector that describes reality, your typical length, breadth, height and time. This condition is not satisfied as physical ageing corresponds to component t = i, i not 0 and greater than zero since Valhalla is an orthogonal projection onto the xyz cube and lightning in her crystal stasis is in a world that has already a t = 0 condition imposed by the surrounding chaos.

    Edit: The first 500 years she is in Valhalla, second 500 is where the condition t = 0 is due to chaos. Conclusion: 21.

  • XYFEIR

    Can I just say, I love how you just essentially mathematically proved why you should be with her. I think you won. XD

  • Jaundré

    Lightning speaking to me:”Your good at maths, but can you shoot with a gun or fight with blade?”
    Me:”Not really, I have…” [interrupted]
    Lightning:”Not my type, bye.”
    Me:”Bu…but…”

    (Still anyone’s game to get Light)

  • XYFEIR

    Me! I’ll take her! o3o

  • Jaundré

    XYFEIR:”Lightning, will you come on a date with me?”
    Lightning:”I could help you, if that’s what you want?”
    XYFEIR:”Damn it, what kind of answer is that?!”

    (Lumina appears and ruins the moment)

  • XYFEIR

    C*ckblock Lumina should be a new thing. XD

  • iLoveLightning

    The eff- you lost me. I have no choice but to… to… TO

    *Army of ones your booty to Mars*

  • iLoveLightning

    Ain’t nobody gonna take my Lightning away from me, trust and believe!

  • Ehren Rivers

    Okay guys, starting to get a little bit on the spammy side. Let’s dial it back a bit please.

  • Jaundré

    This was fun, but I agree it has run its course. Sorry for getting a bit carried away.

  • Jaundré

    I dont know about this but what happens if I play Lightning returns and I deliberately go opposite to the plot as it should play out, for instance if I refuse to rescue the white chocobo? Also has anyone mentioned what happens if you are on an extensive field trip and the time runs out? Does the game end then?

  • Jaundré

    I think we should heed Ehren and end this conversation topic. We had our fun messing with each other. I started a new topic at top, any answers are welcome.

  • juan david posada

    So you will have 13 hours to complete the game????!!!!

  • Sapientia

    Wouldn’t Lightning have aged when she visited Serah in New Bodhum 700AF since she wasn’t in Valhalla?
    Or would that not even be enough time for her to age at all?

  • Ehren Rivers

    Technically, yes. Time doesn’t flow throughout the entire game, though. The clock stops running down when you’re in any menu including shops, when cut scenes are going on, when you’re talking to NPCs, when you’re in The Ark with Hope, and whenever you’re in combat.

    You also have the ability to stop time using the “Chronostasis” EP skill, which costs just 1 EP of the 5 or so you get every in-game day. That’s not even counting the extra EP you get from battles, either. According to the developers, if you’re trying to do everything in one playthrough you’ll end up with 40-50 hours on the clock.

  • Sapientia

    What I meant was, I think if Lightning can save everyone, whether she’s with them or not at the ending, would be a happy ending for her. I’d be relatively happy, too, if she’s finally accomplished her goal.

  • Sapientia

    I took a summer class of Japanese this year and I practice when I can. Not really an expert, but I think I can play a game in Japanese without *too* much trouble. But yeah, it’s hard. I’m just barely scraping the surface of learning the language.

  • Ehren Rivers

    That was literally five minutes. Not enough to matter in the slightest.

  • Jaundré

    That’s incredible, Japanese is hard too learn, but you are rightly rewarded for ur endeavours. Hope you enjoy LR this weekend 🙂 . I cant wait until 14 feb so spoilers are welcome!!

  • XYFEIR

    B-but I wouldn’t be happy if she wasn’t with them. D,: I just feel like it’ll be a happier ending overall if Light and, Serah were finally reunited, alive. But I get what you’re saying.

  • Sapientia

    No, I meant (obviously this didn’t happen, I’m just wondering why it didn’t) that if Lightning had been in Valhalla and hadn’t aged, then returned to her world – the Visible World? – where time did exist, I thought she should’ve aged those three years when she visited Serah.

  • Ehren Rivers

    Uh… What? Seriously, what? I have no idea what you’re talking about. What 3 years?

  • Sapientia

    Er, nevermind. It was a lame question to begin with.

  • Sothe Zephyr

    Oh shes…12….i thought…she was like 16-17……makes sense……she looks older than 12 though….maybe its just me…ah well 😛

    Lumina…is very attractive for 12……i feel dirty……-calls gf-

  • Mateus.E

    unfortunely,almost everyone tries to be somehting they ain’t.”Lightning” is a perfect exemple,ironically.

  • Storm2356

    Well, I think that they mean that she doesn’t feel any emotion about past events, but I could be wrong.

  • Mateus.E

    SE ain’t stupid,so we shouldn’t laugh off that info…after all,why did they chose 12…could have been 13,lol.

  • Ehren Rivers

    I could totally answer you if I knew what you meant. I’m just a little confused where three years comes into it, or what it has to do with her apparent age.

    Not really sure what you meant, but to just in case this has something to do with it you wouldn’t age at all if you left time, and came back in at a future point. Generally, that’s not the way time travel works.

  • Sapientia

    Well, I meant to say would Lightning age in the three years IF she appeared in New Bodhum 3AF, or if she appeared in another time like in New Bodhum 700AF would she age those many years, but then I realized the stupidity of the question and how it wouldn’t work. And your comment made it even more clear.
    Sorry to waste your time, it really was a dumb question. >.>

  • Ehren Rivers

    Ohhhh, I see what happened. Your first comment mentioned 700 AF, and then your next comment you talked about 3 years. I got confused in the meantime.

    The question isn’t stupid, don’t worry. It is, however, not the case in this particular canon of time travel.

  • Sothe Zephyr

    Hey i was just thinking….how did the paradox endings make any sense lol xD Heir to Chaos was false since Caius’ tale was simply a means to an end – Mogs plan was….ridiculous, a joke clearly – A giant mistake made sense yea but heir to chaos………no purpose really 😛

  • Ehren Rivers

    Heir to Chaos was not false. It uses the canon of Caius’ backstory, including his battle with the warrior Ballad whose name he took. The only thing that makes it a paradox ending is that it cuts Noel’s story short.

    The point of the Paradox Endings is that they are technically impossible, and could not possibly have happened. The funnier endings were put in as a way to add more light–hearted moments to the game.

  • Sothe Zephyr

    Oh okay i see, i just remember you saying that the whole “kill me, take my heart” bit was just a front so he coulde finally be released from his eternal torment, his and Yeul’s that is

  • Ehren Rivers

    Well, Caius is the only one to have ever actually had the Heart of Chaos- Caius lied to Noel by implying that the Guardian before him had owned it, and that only by killing him had Caius received it.

    However, Guardians are in fact l’Cie who have somehow had their Focus altered or stalled by Etro so that they can take care of Yeul. Caius is confirmed to have been a l’Cie once, and the Undying Cie’th Gorgyra was formerly a Guardian who failed to protect Yeul and asked to be turned Cie’th in penance.

    It would seem the Focus can be passed on through a fatal confrontation, or else whatever sympathetic fal’Cie may have been branding them will only brand a new l’Cie when the old Guardian is dead.

  • raruna

    I certainly hope they took good care to make the plot more manageable and comprehensive than it was in XIII-2. Good lord, I get that XIII-2 was supposed to be lighthearted, but it was SUCH a clusterfuck. Not to mention their constant use of “chaos” and “paradox” as words to wave away any real explanation as to why things happen. It’s just way too convenient of a word to make a decent story.

    And honestly the concept of paradoxes affecting both the past and the future is really… really bad. It challenges conventional logic way too much, and passes the “interesting” line straight into the “what the hell are you talking about” zone.

    And some good voice acting direction this time around would be nice. Both games suffered a lot with weird, inconsistent direction with the voices, even though the actors at hand are actually good at their job.

  • Sothe Zephyr

    Oh okay, but Caius’ true intentions were to have Noel kill him cause hes mr emo pants lol thank you for correcting me 😀

  • Storm

    to me paradox endings were like alternate futures that only happens when you dont resolve a paradox, lol.

  • Sothe Zephyr

    Idk how anyone could HATE not knowing what is going on 😛 I loved sitting at the Historia Crux listening to its track for a while between locations putting the pieces together and figuring everything out only to be proven wrong and have to do it all again! I like when games make you think and don’t just HAND the plot to you on a silver platter lol :3

    For second point, any game can make its own logic. 13-2 had the TIMELINE – which connected both past, present and future through it. While everyone holds their own beliefs about time, the game devs made their own way to explain time in this universe. It makes PERFECT sense in 13-2 when one takes into account the paradoxes that, when changed in say 300AF, change the past in say, 200AF. The effects ripple up and down the timeline.

    I do agree with your final point. I found that in non event scenes, the voice acting was horrid and awko taco 😛 However, everywhere else, it was SUPERB! The ending, the confrontation with Caius in valhalla were both extremely gripping and intense! You could hear their emotion and passion in every scene exempt the non event scenes where it mattered little if emotion and passion were heard. You can’t say the voice acting was bad based on few events throughout the game, in which the voice acting was done amazingly, it is simply blasphemy, hehe 😛

  • Pekola

    I know the game is somewhat difficult to understand.

    But if you analyze it, it does make sense. In a weird fantasy way. Lol. It’s just hard to digest if you’re not really into it.

    I don’t blame people, since I feel they sort of left some things unexplained. Like the whole world looping thing or the timeline of events. But it’s really something you have to think about long and hard.

    I do know that many conventions were broken and that’s not bad. Just because it’s different doesn’t make it poor, ect.

  • Ehren Rivers

    Yep. Caius wanted Noel to kill him, but came to realize there was no way he would be able to still the Heart of Chaos as he was in the year 700AF. This is why, in Heir to Chaos, Noel falls into the Historia Crux unconscious as the Heart’s power overwhelms and becomes a part of him.

    Caius’ backup plan was to go and destroy the Goddess directly, which was thwarted by his never-ending war with Lightning. The next plan was to, seemingly through influencing his past selves, make sure human history would end. Because he was making sure there was a single outcome to the future, it wouldn’t matter to Caius whether Noel’s journey through time made him strong enough or not.

  • Sothe Zephyr

    Agreed! When taking into account that SE used a PHYSICAL timeline (ie the historia crux) then the ripples up and down the timeline, makes PERFECT SENSE. It is like a string, any force acting upon it, will affect the string somewhere else along its entirety

  • Sothe Zephyr

    Oh okay i see i see. Also, about their never ending battle. I nver really understood the whole of it. She was, in the end defeated by Caius numerous times in Requiem of the Goddess but saved by Chaos (or SOMETHING) and was she in crystal as the final battle took place in Valhalla and how did she goto Serah physically in 700AF New Bodhum? Just “HOLD UP CAIUS NEED TO GIVE A PEP TALK, BRB!” lol

  • Somber

    I meant this is a good article, not a stupid one. lol

  • Ehren Rivers

    Lightning is canonically defeated twice. Once in the opening where it seems she is defeated when Caius summons that meteor, and once in Requiem of the Goddess before Chaos seemingly saves her.

    Your losses and wins in Requiem of the Goddess are representative of their fight, but aren’t really the only course of that battle. Their looping war is sometimes between the two of them, and sometimes it’s more large scale conflicts like those seen in the opening. The winner or loser of a particular battle appears to be entirely irrelevant, since it would appear the loop starts over again immediately after.

    As for when Lightning manages to get away, it’s probably during one of the larger-scale conflicts, before the actual battle has begun. Since time doesn’t flow the same way between the two worlds, she could conceivably return very shortly after she left. Lightning willingly goes to crystal sleep during one of the cycles, after discovering the death of her sister. It would appear that she does indeed appear in the ending through her crystallization.

  • raruna

    Don’t patronize me, I do know what’s happening. That is the problem: I understand the plot, and it’s a really… odd, and honestly unsatisfying one.

    If I could figure out what the fuck was happening in KH’s fucked up plot, you can bet your ass I know what’s happening in XIII.

    And like I said, constantly using “chaos” and “paradox” as loose catch-all terms to explain just about anything a good plot does not make. Now, the character interactions were overall ok, better in XIII, though Serah was an alright protagonist, but in terms of structure, it’s really lacking.

  • Sothe Zephyr

    In one persons opinion 😛 I loved the use of ‘chaos’ and ‘paradox’ 😀

  • Sothe Zephyr

    Oh okay i see, Thank you Ehren! 😀

  • Pekola

    I’m not patronizing you, c’mon. Don’t be like that D;

    Never once did I say that you didn’t understand the plot. You did however, mentioned that it should be more comprehensive and called it a clusterfuck. I replied to that.

    Note that me saying the game is difficult to understand doesn’t mean I said you didn’t understand it.

  • raruna

    Fair enough. I suppose a “clusterfuck” isn’t the right word to describe it.

    The whole “paradoxes ripple both forwards and backwards in time” is just really weak to me, which is a theme that pervades all of XIII-2’s story. And then there’s the very silly aspect of XIII’s ending, where you’re supposed to know that that big glowy circle behind the god damn boss is Etro’s Gate, and that’s why the protagonists were saved from becoming Cie’th, when that one little aspect is apparently only mentioned once in one side-quest.

    The entire nature of the Fal’Cie is really annoying, given that Etro actively looks out for the party yet never actually gives any indication of being there, but then again, that one I can chalk up to “derp we’re gods therefore we’re complete dicks who give no direct information ever”.

    I’m not saying that the games are S-E’s downfall or like “the biggest sin to ever be committed by a video game company”, just that they have a lot of really bothersome flaws that are very hard to look past when it comes to the story, that a lot of people tend to say aren’t there.

  • Pekola

    Lordy look at all the downvoting. Honestly, why?

    I could understand it if comments were insulting or downright trolling. But someone expressing their opinion in a detailed manner isn’t that.

    I love that we all like XIII, but the censoring of opinions through public disapproval would eventually turn us into an echo chamber.

  • Sothe Zephyr

    Well actually, the BIG GLOWY SYMBOL behind Orphan ISNT Etro’s gate but an homage to it. orphan and the ‘glowy thingy’ form Etro’s gate. If you noticed during the fight for Eden, Etro’s gate opens over Eden Hall just before you go in to fight the Sacrifice cie’th and Rosch

    Etro helps them only………..at the end….by releasing them of their l’cie status and from crystal stasis. And the paradoxes makes sense due to the whole aspect of what their concept (13-2’s concept) of time is! The historia crux is the timeline!!!! The past connects to the future through it so the ripple effect makes sense. Any outside force that acts upon the destined future will ripple and change everything else. IE: Water ripples – Flicking a string. That is how i view it.

    And 13’s ending isnt silly Dx Etro, seeing how bravely and relentlessly the valiant l’cie fought, took pity on them and released them of their fate as l’cie! It is poetic!

  • Ehren Rivers

    Agreed.

    I understand, everyone, that you’re used to people with negative opinions being antagonistic, rude, and insulting to the point of abuse. However, not everyone that has an opinion counter to yours is necessarily acting this way. Were it in my power, I would completely remove the Downvoting part of the system in a heartbeat. Please, be respectful and don’t jump on people for not sharing your like or dislike of a particular game.

  • Sothe Zephyr

    Some people get very defensive when something they adore comes under attack by others. It makes sense that people would reject the opinions of others that oppose their own, it is, somewhat, human nature. Defend what you love, reject those who oppose you, yada yada yada lol

  • Storm
  • XYFEIR

    L’ange Noir in black: ALL OF MY YES! <3 And thanks! X)

    http://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/201311190001/image/22/

  • Storm

    when we can expect the Dengeki review? I’m really curious to see the score.

  • Ehren Rivers

    Bahahaha, I was literally just posting that. Took me forever to download them!

  • Karysonson

    Wow, never knew….thanks

  • Ehren Rivers

    Yep, it was just revealed in the above-mentioned Dengeki. 😀 No problem, anytime~

  • Somber

    Better way to solve: Do not reply them, just leave them. lol

  • SazhKatzroy

    “Final Fantasy XIII-2 was originally planned to be a light-hearted game where fans could enjoy playing with their favorite characters again, so a few staff members were very surprised when the story took a darker tone and grew into a trilogy.”

    This is kind of what I was hoping for. Introduce just a couple new characters to replace Vanille and Fang, and introduce a new problem. Had there been a successful attempt at re-activating the Sanctum Fal’Cie by the anti-Academia folk, or exploring more of Gran Pulse to eliminate the Arks, or the Pulse Fal’Cie go on a rampage… anything was possible, but it’s ok now.

    Also looking forward to the scene with Sazh that Miyake-san likes 🙂

  • Mateus.E

    Well,700 af was a world where cocoon did fell in 500 af,because of the flan paradox ,the Atlas War paradox and,in a way,the proto Fal’cie paradox…but,well,Etro’s gate didn’t crash…perhaps it was because of the war having killed many people before,leaving only a few stragglers behind in 500 af to suffer with the collapse of the crystal pillar.

    But well,in the true 500 af,maybe dropping Cocoon would work,maybe it wasn’t the “proper” way and would lead only to a repeat of the events in the possibly paradox of 700 af where noel lived(he himself said his time could have been one).Still,Caius most likely wanted to make sure…so that plan was most likely to bait noel into fighting him and finishing him off.

    In the DLC requiem of the godess,Caius managed to beat Lightning,with a cheap trick though.Maybe,in order to kill Etro,he HAD to kill Lightning.Since he could only contain her and wasn’t strong enough to finish her off,that most likely forced him to rely on Noel.Well,maybe he contained Lightning in a shadow of Valhalla in order to goad Noel into killing him by saying he killed her.

  • Ehren Rivers

    He didn’t contain Lightning at all. She went to crystal sleep of her own choice, and Caius simply used her absence in an attempt to enrage SERAH, not Noel, most likely hoping Serah would demand Noel exact revenge. Noel keeps a cool head and just tells Serah that Caius is lying. Which he was.

  • Mateus.E

    Well,the meteor definetly crashed the temple…but it was intact when noel and Serah went to Vallhala…had lightning been killed,the cycles would have ended,so that means she did survive.Weird…it is just like if the battle was simply retgoned and started all over again…but with Caius and light remembering all the cycles.

  • Ehren Rivers

    No. Lightning and Caius do not remember the cycles of their fight. The developers specifically state that neither one of them is aware of their endless, looping war. It doesn’t matter which one of them loses or wins, because the battle starts over again pretty much immediately. As I mentioned in the post you JUST responded to.

  • Mateus.E

    When Lightning was defeated,Chaos appeared beneath her and sucked her in.Then we heard Caius saying that “Lightning was dead,I killed her with my own hands”.She woke up in the temple,but…I don’t think it was the real one.Then,after beating that possibly fake Caius and Chaos bahamut,she gets sucked into a portal back to Vallhala’s temple…this time the real one.I don’t think Caius realized she went to crystal sleep,for he could be thinking she could still be trapped in the Void Beyond,or maybe he did realize,but,because Lightning froze herself,he coudn’t get to Etro anymore,somwhow.Well,maybe in LR we will get some intel about what really happened in the DLC.Or maybe I am the one with incomplete info.

  • Mateus.E

    ahh,sorry,my bad.Ahhh,I remembered.yeah,they said it…Even in the datalogs…

  • Ehren Rivers

    Incorrect. Lightning was dragged into the Chaos, and Caius disdainfully refrained from striking a final blow. The developers stated that the Caius she fought against was the real one, and he was summoned there by the Chaos-Wreathed Yeul. Requiem of the Goddess is meant to reflect a facet of their endless war. Lightning was not pulled into any portals afterward, she remained where she had been. Caius almost certainly did know she was in crystal sleep (he specifically mentions that he’s already seen all of what will happen), but even if he hadn’t he would have known she was still alive and would therefore still be lying to Serah to anger her.

  • Mateus.E

    ahhh,I see…Just as I expected,I didn’t have the full info about it…ahh,with each response,the “plot thickens”,as does my questions,sorry!

    interesting.Well,some more questions,if possible.Why was lightning having a trip in the historia crux,after her talk with that Yeul…and falling into the Chaos…?She was just thinking…or was she checking history using that “from Valhalla,one can see all of history’s scope,but not all at once”?

    The Lightning that aided Noel and Serah when they were sinking into the Chaos…well,how to ask…what was that?Was she already frozen and sent her spirit to aid them…?Well,also,why did Caius not used her “Absence” after their last battle to kill etro,was it because Lightning froze herself?

    Ah,yes…shoot…I felt like he was just using smart words to bluff.After all,he had just attempted to deceive noel that Lightning was dead.But yeah…he did say she “would sleep,never to wake”.ahh,shoot.Also,why did that sentence “Lightning is dead,I killer her with my own hands” appears after Lightning is surronded by Chaos,after being defeated…if she had survived…And Caius was aware of it?I thought,when I saw it…that it was what Caius refered to when he ‘killed her” and made her “sleep,never to wake”…after all,all those who die in the void beyond get sent to a dream world….I thought that it included Vallhalla…maybe I misunderstood the fragment.Ahh,sorry for taking your time,and thanks for helping me.

  • Ehren Rivers

    Ahhhh, I see what you’re talking about, and I can explain. I was referring to the actual end of her fight with Caius- Lightning is not transported anywhere following that fight, instead she rides out across Valhalla seemingly in pursuit of the Chaos-Wreathed Yeul. Upon catching up with her, CWY essentially tosses her away. Why she is in the Historia Crux specifically is unknown- It may be that the Crux opens up to many places within the true Valhalla, or it could be that both she and Noel (in Heir to Chaos) have the Historia Crux used as a backdrop to introspection while rendered unconscious by the power of Chaos.

    Regardless, Lightning’s end point is right back where she started- The throne of Etro where Serah is, where she fought Caius. Please note that although these places are in the real Valhalla, they are clearly not Etro’s actual throne. Etro’s throne is up in the temple proper, whereas these battles take place in some kind of structural reflection down closer to the Sea of Chaos.

  • Mateus.E

    I see.the temple’s throne room is blue…and where Lightning will face Caius in the wildlands.Hmm,so,what was that Lightning that helped Serah and Noel just before they fought Jet Bahamut?Just her spirit?This is the last quesition,definetly.Thanks.

  • Ehren Rivers

    That was Lightning’s spirit, yes, and seemingly something she was able to enter Valhalla temporarily, at the specific point Noel and Serah needed help. This was probably not a conscious decision, though, as it appears to be very difficult to enter Valhalla at an exact point in “time”.

  • Mateus.E

    Ah yes,got it.It makes sense,since Vallhala is a mess,in all senses of the word…everything could happen at the same time…Well,it is over.Now…I am curious to see Caius interact with Lightning again.Maybe we can get more intel about some things,like how he survived.I say he purposely chose to “die” in vallhala,since there is no death there,it wouldn’t be final…