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Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Import Review By Erren Van Duine on December 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM

At its core Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII is an intriguingly designed RPG weighed down by a bloated and often nonsensical story that feels bare even after fifty hours of game time. Despite best intentions much of what the game does ends up feeling generally half-baked, and while combat and customization are the best that this title has to offer, Lightning Returns ultimately ends up an experiment that is likely best not revisited in the future.

While I found Final Fantasy XIII-2 to be a pleasant surprise – a smart evolution of the gameplay formula of the original game – Lightning Returns finds itself sadly failing to repeat that feat.

Set 500 years after its predecessors, Lightning Returns sees – surprise – titular heroine Lightning back in the saddle as the game’s sole protagonist. After awakening from stasis as a crystal she’s tasked by the all-powerful god Bhunivelze to be “The World’s Savior” by guiding the souls of humanity to a new world – as the one they currently inhabit is set to come to an end in 13 days. Spurred on by the desire to save the life of her sister Serah again, Lightning agrees and over the course of the game comes to encounter many of the allies she once fought alongside with in fanservice-driven scenes. It’s not all clear-cut, though – some former allies end up enemies and the reverse. Times have changed.

LR_01Lightning must gather souls to extend the world’s lifespan.With the English-language release some time away, I’ll steer clear of spoilers and simply say that I found the plotting of Lightning Returns to be far from cohesive or satisfying. The game is mostly a slow burn – not a problem in and of itself – but the stodgy pacing makes the cracks in a story that appears fractured when scrutinized even more obvious.

Lightning Returns has a structure that is actually something of a breath of fresh air – rather than lengthy story preamble, the game throws you right into the prelude of the apocalypse with exposition duties handed to FF13’s Hope, now Lightning’s closest ally. You’re in control incredibly quickly – but then the game lurches back towards the worst of FF13, Hope spouting all-too-lengthy exposition as you plod your way through tutorials that hold your hand too firmly instead of teach. The datalog that carried the lion’s share of the original game’s lore returns, though a lot of the information overflow I experienced actually came from lengthy, stilted conversations that play out in the game’s safe zone, a place where the player need not worry about the passage of time, a key concept of the game.

When you’re not progressing through the game’s episodic main story – comprised of five total arcs divided into several smaller quests each – LR encourages you to do a bit of exploring through the now wide open spaces available in each area. The game takes place in a world called Novus Partus – a world that takes you from the deserts, forests and two different concepts of a city. The bulk of the game is played across each of these four regions with leveling tied not to battles, but through the completion of quests. For those that complained about FF13 being a pipeline, Square has answered your criticisms definitively – LR is for all intents and purposes an open-world game.

Backtracking is a full-blown necessity and fetch-and-carry quests across the world are fairly common. Visiting parts of each area unlocks teleport points, so fast-travel makes completing quests a bit more bearable – though it’s a shame to say that for the most part the game’s side missions are largely forgettable – they’re not outstanding in any way, positive or negative.

By far the most positive aspect of Lightning Returns stems from its battle system – a fact that has largely remained consistent across all three FF13 titles, each having an interesting, bold and constantly evolving take on FF’s Active Time Battle roots. ATB is in full effect here as well, but with a twist that involves the use of real time features in conjunction with regenerating stamina bars.

Dubbed the Style-Change Active Time Battle (SATB) system, players are put in control of Lightning and Lightning alone and can guide her attacks and guard abilities through the use of real time button presses similar to an action game including somewhat limited movement within the battle field. Others join you in battle on occasion, but remain entirely NPC-controlled.

LR_01Guest members join the battle on occasion.In place of the Paradigm Shift system from FF13 and FF13-2, Lightning Returns makes use of a collection of costumes the titular heroine can wear known as Styles. Each Style can be fashioned with up to four different abilities mapped to each of the controller’s face buttons and comes complete with its own ATB gauge. Using an action will deplete a certain amount of your total ATB with each button press and by pressing R1 or L1 Lightning can shift to another of your three equipped Styles, giving the one you were previously using a change to recharge. Stacking up the right abilities on the right Styles means that ideally the action can keep going constantly provided you stay away from spamming high-cost ATB abilities. Ensuring you constantly have abilities at your disposal to use is a key part of the timing-based strategy that drives the game.

Lightning also has a new ability separate from the normal ATB spread called Overclock. By using Glory Points (GP) gathered from defeating enemies players can slow down time for a brief moment while they deal out a bit more damage to a tough enemy. GP can also account for Curaga, Quake, Lightning’s Scene Drive attack and other special abilities.

Customization is without doubt the biggest key to ensuring you have a good time with the game. In addition to an assortment of weapons and shields Lightning can collect new abilities by defeating monsters and further upgrade them through the game’s simplistic but satisfying synthesis system. You’re essentially given endless freedom – in if you create a Style catered more toward magic or toward strength, for instance – although it is generally recommended to strike a balance between various abilities in order to effectively take out enemies.

Not all battles are created equally, however. Similar to FF13’s Stagger or Break system Lightning Returns makes use of a new “Knockdown” ability that triggers once an enemy is exploited enough through their weakness. Each enemy has their own strengths and weaknesses so constructing Styles cleverly can really be taken advantage of in this regard.

The game’s key gameplay pillar outside of battle comes in the form of the “Doomsday Clock,” a device most easily compared to the crash of the moon in The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask, or how players have a set amount of time before the military arrives in a Dead Rising game. As previously mentioned, there’s 13 days until the end of the world, and a real clock counts down in-game to that time. The team behind Lightning Returns has to be commended – this is an incredibly brave and interesting decision for a Japanese RPG, a genre where players typically plod their way through at vastly varying paces.

LR_01Art direction is one of the game’s strong points.When the game starts you’ll actually only have 6 of your 13 days left, but through progression of the main quest and completion of side quests Lighting essentially earns more time, extending the world’s death clock to the full 13 days. Players are afforded some mild manipulation over time, too – GP can be used to freeze the clock for a short time, and time does not progress while in menus, cutscenes, shops and so on. How long you actually have will vary based on this, but I found it evened out at around 3 real world hours to one day in Lightning’s world.

While a novel and brave idea, the doomsday clock system isn’t without its drawbacks. A living world is built around the time mechanic, with many NPCs having actions tied to specific times of the day – and that can be frustrating when you need to talk to a particular person for a vital step in a side quest and they’re not around. A common complaint about Dead Rising and Majora’s Mask rings true here also, then – for some the time management is just too much, and what can be exciting on paper can quickly become frustrating as your carefully-considered plans for the in-game day end up in tatters due to a drawn-out dungeon.

With all that said, if seeing the heart of Lightning’s journey is your priority you should finish with plenty of time to spare. In the back half of my play-through I’d finished the main quest and simply mooched my way through Chocolina’s Canvas of Prayers market board to find side quests to kill in-game time with. There is a time skip option, but using it felt a waste – so I continued to plod through mostly unremarkable side quests until I reached the final days of the game.

One complaint that can’t be leveled against the FF13 series is one of the artistic design of its world. It has always had strong vision and beautiful visuals, and LR is no exception – but beautiful concepts don’t come to life here as brilliantly as they did in FF13 or even the less-impressive FF13-2. Bluntly, it feels like a cheap game, even compared to its direct predecessor which also reused a large number of FF13 assets. The world here might be new, but the quality of textures and geometry seems to vary massively – it’s best described as uneven.

There’s the feeling here that the studio’s infamously difficult Crystal Tools engine can barely handle the sprawling size of LR’s world – the frame rate squirming and struggling to maintain a solid 30 in larger areas, while much of the living world AI fails to fully immerse, transparent and obvious in their daily actions. Most glaring of all is the game’s rogue’s gallery in battle – a sea of texture-swapped versions of the same monster with different names, with very few enemies actually being all-new for LR. This bizarrely extends to NPCs, too, with even some members of FF13’s cast still seemingly wearing the same gear 500 years on.

“SOMETIMES TEMPERED EXPECTATIONS CAN GIFT PLEASANT SURPRISES, BUT LIGHTNING RETURNS IS NOT THAT KIND OF GAME.”

These decisions are doubly strange when one sees how lovingly realized Lightning’s slew of costumes are – I would have gladly taken a few less outfits for Lighting for improvement in these areas. The visual presentation is all the more a shame because Lightning Returns features a lovely soundtrack and has some great artistic direction behind it – the execution on the in-game world just lets that down.

Fans expecting closure to loose ends left over from the previous two titles will get them here, though I can’t say I left satisfied with the conclusions I was given. The climax in particular tosses massive, world-changing events around in seconds with little exposition. To say I was disappointed in the narrative would be to put it mildly, and I’m somebody who fully expected to find some frustration in the climax of the story going in. Sometimes tempered expectations can gift pleasant surprises, but Lightning Returns is not that kind of game.

Thus we reach the conclusion to this review and to my time with the FF13 series. After playing Lightning Returns to the completion of its story and most of its side content it’s unfortunate to report that I found it to be a worse entry than both its predecessors. Gameplay systems remain its strongest area by a long way, but insubstantial, forgettable side quests and disappointing story conclusions mean even a decently-featured New Game+ option isn’t enticing enough to make me want to give it another go. I consider that damning – you’re looking at somebody who has a Platinum Trophy in the flawed-but-fun FF13-2.

There’s that gameplay, though. It’s a solidly redeeming feature – enough to make me say that if you’re a fan of FF13, Final Fantasy or JRPGs in general this might be a game to pick up – but not right away. Shave something else off your backlog and wait for a price drop. Those not already invested in the concepts behind the game in one way or another may well want to give it a miss entirely, as that battle system isn’t enough to drag the game back to the realm of absolute recommendation.

Lightning Returns isn’t awful – It’s just not particularly good either. Firmly the worst in the FF13 sub-series, it is a disappointing missed opportunity.

RS

Disclaimer: Nova Crystallis purchased & reviewed on a retail PlayStation 3 copy of Lighting Returns: Final Fantasy XIII imported from Japan. Reviewer is fluent in Japanese. Read more about the Nova Crystallis review policy here.

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  • Mugen

    Thanks for the great and unbiased review. It does scare me too, I’ve platinumed both XIII and XIII-2 in trophies. However, I’m not surprised that the story is disappointing, and “nonsensical story.” No surprise when Toriyama is heading it. Just wondering if it’ll be as bad as The 3rd Birthday. The series had a great mythology behind it, but a horrible execution IMO, and seems like LR does not help it at all.

  • heero2001

    Harsh… It seems the primary problem you had with the game is its story and not the gameplay. I know we are in an era where people critique game stories like a movie critic, but in the course of a game you will spend probably 90% of the time playing the game and 10% with cut scenes and dialogues. Yes, I think for a RPG, a bad story takes away a game’s chance to be truly great but I don’t think a bad story makes a bad game. In my opinion, gameplay should be weighed more than story unless it’s a game like Beyond: Two Souls. I think pokemon, also an RPG, is a perfect example. Now, I haven’t played one in a while, but if they are anything like the ones I used to play then story is probably an afterthought. However, people still love them because the gameplay is amazing.

    I don’t want to get into the whole is 5 a bad game or just an average game. If you look on metacritic or similar sites, you would not touch most of the games with 5s with a ten feet pole. I just think for a game with as much production value in terms of music, artistic design, and graphics. As well as the sheer amount of content you get for the $60 when many games today have sub-10 hour campaign, is -like I have stated in the beginning- harsh.

    Of course, this is your review. I respect your opinion. I am simply stating my own.

  • Somber

    This review is unbiased but harsh. There are many flaws but also beauties. I hope next entries will not meet the same fate again.

  • oVg

    There is always Hope 😛

  • XYFEIR

    I honestly felt this story was better than XIII-2’s. I found that one too be way more confusing with the time travel aspects mixed in with chaos and paradoxes (I do love the XIII-2 though).

  • Wazi the pa

    I have no problem with this review but……. Does anyone think I should cancel my pre-order and get some other game? Like either Kingdom Hearts 2.5 (getting it regardless) or an upcoming ps4 title?

  • i387

    All according to keikakku. Fanfic yet again. Oh how i miss Sakamoustache san..

  • Mugen

    Up to you. LR may drop in price relatively quickly after release. XIII-2 did, and I regretted pre-ordering it.

  • Kamille

    if you liked FF13-2 which had a terrible nonsensical story then you’ll most likely like this one too. Based on the review the gameplay is more than good….

  • Kamille

    there’s nothing that could save this nonsense of a story. The time travel and now the 500 years after and Lightning becoming a savior… Thank god this is the last FF game from Toriyama. That guy doesn’t know what he was doing. -__-

  • Anime10121

    Woah, that doesnt sound good at all… I know Erren is no fan of the XIII series, but to say that she found LR to be worse than both XIII-2 AND the original XIII, its kinda disconcerting to say the least. While I’m no large fan in particular of the first game (it was at least playable to me unlike most who felt it dragged on for too long and quit it), I LOVED XIII-2 from beginning to end (its actually one of my favorite games in the entire series), so I’d hoped that LR would take more from XIII-2 than the original especially because I’m not Lightning’s biggest fan…

    Now dont get me wrong, I dont hate her or anything, I just honestly felt her personality to be a bit…dry. Though I have at least heard that her personalities a bit more “fun” in this game, so at least thats a plus.

    Oh well, still hyped to heck for the game and cant wait to see the ending, though the non-spoiler reviews I’ve read have me a little less excited than before :(

  • XYFEIR

    I wouldn’t do such a rash thing based on 1 review personally. I would wait until a little closer to the release date. But the decision is yours.

  • Mugen

    If ya go to amazon.jp, you can see the user reviews for LR is across the board. So, it’s pretty polarizing to say the least.

  • Wazi the pa

    Having said that….. I have cancelled my pre-order for LR…..
    The reason behind my action is that, my wallet is getting dried up, and there are other awesome square enix games (PSVita version of FFX/X2 HD) and other PS4 games arising in early 2014, and I myself would love to own those very games.
    If I have some extra cash, I would keep my pre-order regardless of the reviews but considering the fact there will be better games……. Its just too much for me :/

  • Wazi the pa

    Thats what I’m planning to do: Just get the game when the price has dropped. Other than that, its saving up for games in 2014.

  • Wazi the pa

    Yeah but what makes each final fantasy game unique and amazing is its lore and story, then stacked with amazing gameplay. Like @disqus_uV7JvuwMji:disqus , I pre-ordered XIII-2 in the past and when I played it, the story didn’t motivate me enough to view more of the content in the game….. However I did finish the game regardless.

  • Wazi the pa

    As of now…… I have to say that Toriyama needs to sit by the bench for a little while……

  • Wazi the pa

    Thats exactly what I did the moment after reading Nova Crystallis’s review.

  • Randy Marsh

    Good review. Not surprised by the overall score, since I had already came across Erren’s complaints of the game. But surprisingly, I agree with her in this review. The game is somewhat of a big disappointment; even I, one who enjoys the XIII games a lot can admit to this, but I prefer not go into explaining my disappointments with this game or else this will become a review within a review.

  • chrisredfield31

    this is the most truest comment I’ve read anywhere. I’ve also posted something similar on N4G and was coming to post something like it here. Ultimately games come down to the gameplay, and a story is only one part of that equation. To knock the game down 5 points for story is absolutely absurd. No professional gaming publication would score a game like that. And then there’s the score itself, what was the criteria for reaching the 5 out of 10 score? Did he/she score each individual part of the game (story/graphics/sound/presentation) or was this ‘score’ just based on what he/she felt it deserved? It is of my opinion that most reviews these days are arbitrary scores. No one except for IGN even has the system anymore.

  • chrisredfield31

    so then, you also agree that the story outweighs the gameplay? Because that’s what this review is saying.

  • chrisredfield31

    I just read the reviews and they are all pretty much saying the same things. Remove Toriyama from doing FF, the story sucks, and the gameplay is great. Pretty much exactly like this review except reviewer here didn’t say to remove Toriyama lol! Anyways, despite the fact that many people did not like the story and scored it based on that, 3/5 stars is pretty accurate and should be in line with my 7 to 7.5 estimate.

  • Somber

    Maybe you are right. Poor Lightning, poor XIII. :(

  • Erren Van Duine

    Our reviews are compiled in a way which takes into account various elements of the game in question including the storyline, graphics, sound, music, presentation, gameplay and other areas. If you read the review, it is more than just story that falters.

  • Erren Van Duine

    If you read the review you will know that aside from the story I also had issues with pacing, boring side quests, technical issues, the game’s graphics and the time mechanic. The score was given as such because as a game it is bland, unremarkable and I’ve mostly forgotten about it after finishing. It’s not something anyone should buy at full price but is decent if you need something to pass the time with.

  • Sǯdi Sǻymeh

    bullshit review +graphics +gameplay +long game -story

    and they gave it 5 ?????? that’s a dombass review …

  • Ip Man

    The first french review is out. 17/20.

    + : Amazing graphics, Lightning (the character), the number of outfits, the chocobos, OST is fantastic, perfect gameplay , and the ending (it gave him chills)

    – : Framerate drops sometimes, some bugs, a bit short if you ignore all sidequests

    http://www.gamergen.com/tests/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-test-verdict-impression-note-plus-moins-149372-6

    Sorry Erren, I respect your opinion but you never liked the XIII series, so i’m not surprised at all. :)

  • Erren Van Duine

    So you forgot I gave 13-2 an 8/10?

  • kepu

    But to be truly honest I don’t really understand most of the points that you are criticising. Or if you take some other perspective on them you may easily understand them. Example can you really except that an open world game would be so beautiful as a game that has linear gameplay where the view can be fixed? And with the technology and low amount of memory that the current generation has some hiccups and bad textures are something that cannot be avoided.

    Well perhaps I have to wait these three months and try it to really understand points that you are making here. Perhaps in the end I have same feelings of the game and time mechanics is just pain or badly implemented. So perhaps my words are quite messy and without value now but still I’m still quite excited with this game even after this review. And the thing with the story. Yet again I have to ask is the main problem here that the game is more an open world game and not linear than before and you cannot really move a story in a consistent manner? Well perhaps that is a valid point but people what are you waiting for? The first game was too linear and now it seems to be something else.

    And truly the critic about the story is quite bland. Well yeah perhaps it is nice not to open the world before english release and not to yell spoilers to public. Still I cannot get from this review why it was so bad. Other than perhaps that it is quite inconsistent and hidden in boring conversations. This is just a wild guess but I’ve feeling that one of the biggest problem with the Lightning was that there were never love story for her and perhaps she seemed a bit dull or harsh in that way (oh ok well there is always serah). Well perhaps and perhaps not I’m just guessing here because I cannot really understand the critic. Personally I think Lightning is perhaps one of the strongest character or heroine in the FF series and she develops from a cold soldier to be the savior is quite interesting thing to follow.

  • Zeigarnik

    The reviewer is someone who has been anticipating the game to be terrible ever since it was announced.Their opinion is to be respected but keep in mind that confirmation bias is in full effect here.
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    The game provides ample content , a competent battle system that merges action with classic ATB and a sprawling open world with emphasis on quests.

    It provides a complete story to those who enjoyed at least one of the two games ,and upwards 30-50 hours of gameplay.In a world were 7 hour games are sold at 60$ this is definitely worth a purchase.

    Do not handle this game is a mainline entry to the series as it is NOT.Its a different experience/ spin off that concludes the story of a mainline entry ,and a solid , entertaining improvment over its predecessor (in anything but graphics which are relatively uneven in this title)

  • Wazi the pa

    Think about it, for a final fantasy game, the most motivation that will get you to play the game throughout is the story itself because the gameplay is common is some sense every battle. like Final Fantasy X or VII, if the story sucked (Heavens No), would you still play it….? No.
    As for a long game, how will the experience be enjoyable if the side quests (especially) and other features aren’t that great? you will stop playing the game after you played the introduction at most….
    That happened for me when I bought the game ‘Remember Me’ if people still know it……

  • Guhterry

    @disqus_h2o69iLkH3:disqus thank goodness lightning wasn’t soft, it added some edge: truth is! lightning is one of my favs, it was nice that they added a stoic lady as the main character… just like how i loved Balthier and Fran from FF XII, they had such a unique relationship and were not so generic… but anyways in the end, you either play the game or not, can’t wait for the ENGLISH version to be released :)

  • Leo YMD

    = _=

  • Somber

    I have watched many walkthroughs and LR seems OK. It has some flaws but aren’t game-breaking or unsatisfactory.

    Pros: Fun gameplay, cool garbs, huge open-worlds, in-game lighting (better than XIII-2 lighting), amazing art direction, masterpiece soundtrack.
    Neutral: Story, side quests, time mechanic
    Cons: Low textures, NPCs

    LR is really a low-budget game but high in quality (even better than XIII-2).

  • Caius Ballad

    A biaised review (it’s Erren, don’t forget). But let’s recap :

    + Excellent OST
    + Great artistic direction
    + Great battle system
    + Deep customization system
    + Bloated JRPG story
    + Lots of side quests and content
    + Beautiful open world

    – The ending.

    Thanks for the review, pal. Everything I look forward to in a JRPG is right there :)

  • Geir

    Well, no wonder the French like it :3

  • Sothe Zephyr

    It is…..her review……..her….interpretation……….i agree with many of the points she made, her opinion agrees with mine the whole way through…………………..your opinion differs completely from someone else’s…..

  • Aleister Crowley

    Seeing as the reviewer gave XIII-2 an 8/10 and this game has better gameplay, more challenge, more stuff to do, better music and design, I’m going to take this review with a truckload of salt.

  • Sothe Zephyr

    Good review :) i have to say, sadly, the negatives that are pointed out here are true negatives. Although il still grab this game and squeeze it until its dry and im bored, i fear that il be done the main story long before day 13…..plus, i found the side-quests in this game to be quite…….annoying and uneeded to say the least ;D Like getting recipe’s…..challenging….

    All in all, i still anticipate this game! It is going to be great! (i didnt like 13-2 all that much aside from light and caius….AND YEUL – but i still played through it….ehhhhh….6times xD)

  • Sothe Zephyr

    You do realize that, I and many others who LOVE the 13 series = diehards, agree largely with this reaview O.o but what we find to be a problem might not be what u see as a problem……and as she said, 13-2 got 8/10 ;D

  • Storm

    was expecting a 5/10 after reading her comment in Neogaf, the weird thing is:

    nothing in the review gave me the impression that LR deserved this final score, sure it pointed the flaws but neither of them personally seemed too big to justify it, so in my opinion the score was unfair, the review is well-written though.

  • Storm

    polarizing but the user score is better than XIII-2 so far.

  • Storm

    8.0 – 8.5 is exactly what I felt the game deserved based on what I watched in videos, and after playing the demo.

  • Heropon

    5/10 . Stil too high .

  • Protosin

    This is excellent. So honest and straightforward.

    In my opinion, XIII-2 and LR were completely unnecessary. (I know quite a few of you agree) Because really, I thought Lightning was a pretty okay character in the original XIII, but now look at her – they’ve turned her into some dress-up doll. She went from being no one’s slave, to Etro’s slave, and then finally a doll. I mean… what? Stay consistent, my goodness.

    I’m not saying this because I hate SE, I’m saying this because I know they can do so much better! They should’ve just wrapped up XIII as it was and used Crystal Tools to make a new IP or something while they fixed up XIV and worked on Versus/XV. We’ve just gone through an entire generation of only one mainline FF. That’s never happened before, and as a long-time fan, it’s incredibly frustrating. I’m glad we can finally (hopefully) move on.

    Again, this is my opinion. You don’t have to agree with me.

    [Edit: I forgot about XIV, but you get the point.]

  • RedXIII

    lol this is unbiased review? This Erren Van Duine hates Lightning, what else do you expect? Not only that, a nonsensical story from XIII-2 deserves an 8/10??? Don’t make me laugh. I’ve played LR myself, it’s in no way a 5/10. This is like giving Dragon’s Dogma Dark Arisen a 5/10 and everybody knows how fun and addicting that game is. Dumb score is dumb.

  • RedXIII

    Oh please. You ARE biased. You want this game to fail so bad in the Western release you posted a false biased score to sway consumer, and you told them to not get it on release. In fact, you shouldn’t review this game considering you WANT it to be bad, so it’s bad to you. Get someone neutral without hate-glasses on to do the review, and the score would be a lot different.

  • Franllant

    Exactly. If people have a brain, they have thoughts, if they have thoughts, they have beliefs, and if they have beliefs, they have preferences. So no one is unbiased, it´s imposible.

  • Franllant

    I think people should not take other people´s opinion so serious. It´s just a review based on the reviewer´s preference, perception and beliefs. I´ve played all main final fantasy games from 1 to 14 (and their sequels) and I´ve found 14´s story and gameplay be the most boring and awful of all of them, but Erren gave the game a 9.5. I would give it a 5. Some people consider FFXIII too dramatic and complicated but FFXIII has been the story I´ve enjoyed the most. It really made me wonder about the game, the characters, the story behind, it made me think a little bit, which most of the games today don´t do. So, I would suggest anyone who reads the comments not to take this review so serious, especially when the reviewer already has stated a preference of style for FF games.

  • Jean Paiva

    5/10 wat?!!!

  • Jean Paiva

    HER?

  • chrisredfield31

    upvoted. Funny I understand exactly what you mean about Dragon’s Dogma. I only recently got it as part of PS+ however so far the story has been almost non-existent but the game is a BLAST to play. I know fun games when I see/read/hear about one. I tried the LR demo when it first hit and I thought it was a fun game despite the crazy nonsensical story stuff going on.

  • Erry

    This is a disgusting review and this site is undeserving of its name.

  • chrisredfield31

    Good. I was unaware of her 8/10 review on FFXIII-2 however now knowing about that and comparing it to this review, I know for sure now that it was because of storyline. Even more reason the review is not accurate and not to be taken seriously. It’s just not right to dock a game so much for not having story. It’s a game that we play, not a movie.

  • chrisredfield31

    okay that’s good and all but the score is completely wacked out.

  • Jaundré

    I haven’t played the game yet so I can not make any appreciable comments on your 5/10 Erren. My reservations about the game’s engine and frame rate are now confirmed, evident even in some trailers (excluding cutscenes). But still if the battle system proves to live up to its innovative design and execution I would be inclined to disagree with a 5/10 and give a higher score (of course that being based on other +ve qualities we have already experienced about the game such as the soundtrack). I think your review is honest although from my current prior knowledge about the game I am doubting the 5/10. However as with all things, time will ascertain or disappropriate your score of the game.

  • chrisredfield31

    most of us are reading this review as standalone meaning it’s the first time we’ve read your reviews.

  • Jessenia Lopez

    FFXIII (trilogy) is the worst game in the series

  • chrisredfield31

    Most final fantasy games are amazing GAMES to play and the story is IN ADDITION, great. People seem to think JRPGs are only about the story and in the past, we had both. Somewhere along the way, we lost the gameplay part of it.

  • Aleister Crowley

    It is an RPG so it’s understandable to put a certain weight in the story, weight that games like Gears of War and such don’t have, but once again we have a problem, which is neatly summed up in one word, Paradox. The ending is alright, and the epilogue is really really weird and the game would only benefit if it didn’t exist, but it’s still better than XIII-2. Actually the only good things about XIII-2 were Caius’ theme and his voice.

  • chrisredfield31

    many other people have pointed out the same thing I pointed out. I’m not so clueless as to how reviews are written and scored. I also know a bit about game design (especially RPG’s) and I’m telling you that your score is incorrect and inaccurate. Maybe you should be a bit more transparent with the score giving us a better breakdown of which scored where.

  • Somber

    In-game lighting is more realistic than it was in XIII-2. Framerates look fine even in youtube walkthroughs. I don’t know if framerates are low in her playthorugh.

    EDIT: in-game image http://24.media.tumblr.com/e704eaf26e19d1318237ac367249e608/tumblr_mxadnspOJZ1t116ego1_1280.png

  • Jaundré

    There was not too long ago a trailer showing the shops and customization of lightning while in Luxerion and it was simply amazing, the graphics and Lightning’s render. So that got me very very excited. I am cautioned to sway left or right on the framerate issue since youtube videos that are 720p or higher generally give the impression of better graphics (cutscenes being divine!). I think if you play on a HD tv with a console that is up to date then LR will look amazing. Again, I haven’t played the game (I am burning to play!) so I dont have much of an opinion except what youtube shows me. And sometimes it’s good and sometimes bad.

  • chrisredfield31

    You are correct in your first paragraph (and the rest as well, but I want to comment on the 1st). They are developing the game on an old platform (last gen by current standards) and therefore they cannot get everything perfect, especially on a multiplatform game (whereas FFXIII was designed originally for PS3 and XIII-2 was multi however it used a different world design). FFXIII-3 was designed as an open world game using an engine that was purpose-built for a linear experience.

    The important part when critiquing the graphics was to keep this particular point in mind, while mainly focusing on the art and how that world is presented. I’ve played the demo and while the graphics were not technically up to par, the art assets, environment design, etc were top notch. I felt immersed in that world. Supposedly Erren ‘scored’ each area individually but I fail to see how the graphics got anything less than a 7 or even an 8.

  • Adam Rahman

    An Enfeebled End to A Terrible Trilogy.
    Yeah! Vote Down you all Motomu Toriyama’s fandumbs!
    All your precious $$$ have gone to him for no GOOD reason whatsoever!

    Voice cast Timothy Dalton as Idola Eldercapt, plz, Square-Enix!

  • chrisredfield31

    PC Master Race

  • Zerox20

    We were playing it on a 70″ TV, and I will say the graphics looked ok, but I walked by and I asked why it looked “Muddy” so to speak or “dark” I thought at first maybe it was the TV or just a setting, but we tried it on 56″ TV as well and it still had that graphical look to it. Also certain scenes the FPS did go down, its nothing “Major” of a slowdown but you do have some slowdowns in spots randomly.

    Perhaps it is due to the open world nature of it, but just my observations as I was watching some of it.

  • Zerox20

    I tend to agree here. XIII-2 had the gameplay which did it for me. The story was just whatever but I enjoyed the gameplay, and you have to look at it as a jump from XIII to a new game and they tweaked/changed a lot of great things with the battle systems and mechanics.

  • chrisredfield31

    I played the demo and the framerate was solid for the most part. The textures in the environment are a bit low quality although Lightning herself looks fantastic. Cutscenes as always look crystal clear and amazing.

  • Zerox20

    Once the western releases come, we will be reviewing that as well so you will get another perspective from a different staff member.

  • WatPotato

    A guy who played the demo estimates the game should score a 7 to 7.5, and runs around calling a review score ‘incorrect and inaccurate’. Certainly a paragon of reason and logic.

  • Zerox20

    The review points out a lot of flaws with the game, but gives praise for soundtrack, and battle systems. The graphics overall aren’t amazing but aren’t bad either. Some of the texturing will drive you nuts from what I saw of the game.

    The largest problem is, its Final Fantasy title, which carries weight and passion for lots of people. I respect the things you love and listed above. Some people will hate it just because its Final Fantasy 13 title, others will go in and like it for what it is. Final Fantasy 13 has really driven the community apart in my opinion, either love it, or hate it for most it seems.

  • Mr. RHC

    The salt in this comment section is palpable, score should have been 1/10, a more appropriate send off for this trilogy! But the 5/10 seems to be the honest reflection of this review, deal with it!

  • Jaundré

    @Chrisredfield31. I think your comment sums it up exactly. The environment is what throws me, but as far as I have seen Lightning looks excellent.
    @Zerox20. It might be the game’s engine. It is not suited to open world maps as Erren mentioned. I dont know if you have played COD ghosts: Campaign excellent graphics, extinction mode graphics average. That’s probably how LR will also come across as, some areas beautiful and some areas “muddy” (to quote you). It can easily give the (wrong) impression of a “cheap” game as Erren mentioned it was.

  • Somber

    The problem is with you. Not us.
    Neogaf, Gamefaq, IGN, siliconera. They are full with people who hate XIII. Just let us stay happily in this only and warm site!

  • DarkReprise

    So, let me see if I understand the “logic” of this comments section:

    -You haven’t played the full game
    -Some of you haven’t even played the demo
    -Some of you are going based off of “that youtube video I saw”
    -Some of you are going based off of nothing at all

    While Erren, on the other hand…

    -Has played the full game
    -Has completed the full game
    -Has spent countless hours with the game

    Yet apparently you guys know enough to call her review “Bullshit”, “Biased”, “disgusting”, “a joke” and call her integrity into question by claiming she has some kind of malicious agenda?

  • Adam Rahman

    Not us. < Motomu Toriyama's fandumbs!

    Somber must be the biggest ^

  • Dark

    Oh…..Erren shipper! You know, some people who commented are even more knowledgeable than average fan.

  • DarkReprise

    Quality stuff.

  • Somber

    No.

    Dumb? You have gone too far, man.

  • Mr. RHC

    “Disgusting” lol

  • sadmanex

    deal with it?
    you kido,read what the reviewer write.thats why you should stay away from adult world
    from many good point and some bad,LR got 5/10?
    from this review i must say a hater write a review but cant show too much hate thats why got many pros with some cons
    but in the end the reviewer cant stop the urge of hater so give 5/10
    personally i expect 7/10 from what i read,its good review with both pros and cons but get 5/10?thats totally show that hater
    then againt what to expect from hater

  • chrisredfield31

    Maybe you would like to wait for my full review of the game? This review is inspiring me to write a proper one because I can no longer sit by and watch fansites and blogs butcher the review system with their general lack of gaming knowledge (Gamespot GTA V anyone?).

    Yeah, I estimate the game to be a 7.0 to 7.5 (keyword estimate) based off of how the game is designed and other things I’ve seen in the game so far through streams, etc. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist but it can’t be done by a monkey either. I have over a decade of extensive experience and it’s not that difficult for me to analyze and score a game. We did a score prediction thread a few weeks back for the XBone and I nailed (or got close) the scores on the launch games.

  • Adam Rahman

    If so, than pre-order six copies of FFXV to compensate Tetsuya’s missed opportunity of last gen console debut.

    Motomu Toriyama is just only a half to be blamed for.

    Having read 9/10 Neogaf members expressing their honest criticism of this plagued of a trilogy that robbed both Nomura & Ito…

    It hurts my anticipation for both of their upcoming games…

    Because you having fed…

    (ish)

    How could you!

  • Somber

    I already planned to buy collector edition of XV and its ultimanias.
    Every thing had just happened. They cannot be reverted. Let’s wait for the next big thing, okay?

  • Zerox20

    Points taken for sure, I don’t play any of the FPS games, as I know at E3 the demo I played looked pretty good. Obviously the environment you are in is a huge part of it as well.

  • Adam Rahman

    Make that III

    From College > Uni > Job
    I am still waiting for the next big thing. Duh!

  • Noctis Caelum

    This review doesn’t make sense.
    I think it has only a low score, because of Lightning, she’s the only one playable charakter.
    Strange and 8/10 for XIII-2? Hm you could play as Lightning only two times, the rest with Serah and Noel.
    But that your review and opinion.

    For me LR has many improvements than XIII-2.
    I played the japanese demo and compared the graphics between XIII and LR, there was no big difference, but I think in the open field or other places, the textures are not good-looking.
    BUT the graphic is not the most important of the game.
    A game should be funny to play and a cool gameplay with many contents, just like LR.

    Here’s my review of the game:
    I watched some different gameplay videos.

    Story ??/20
    Well I don’t actually know the stories game.^^
    Anyway I only played the demo.

    Graphic 16/20
    Overall it doesn’t look terrible, but it’s okay to look at it, what I saw general.
    + charakters
    + monsters
    + lightning effects etc.
    – some textures

    Gameplay 19/20
    It was really funny to play it.
    + Battle system
    + customization
    + sprint, jump, climb and slip
    – limited time

    Soundtrack 09/10
    Didn’t heard the whole soundtrack, but most of them I really like it.
    + dynamic
    + rich in variety
    + fresh

    Sound 10/10
    A really big improvement in LR.
    + realistic
    + cool
    + not getting on my nerves, like the magic spell thunder in XIII and XIII-2

    Extra 10/10
    So much to collect things.

    + Many side-quests
    + Many weapons, shields, garbs, abilities and so on
    + almost open world

    Gameplay fun 10/10
    It look really funny to play it.

    + so much to see
    + can go everywhere you want
    + every battle is different

    Overall 74/80
    100 points as max when I can rate the story, therefore only 80.
    But if the story is not so good, for example 10/20, the game has still 84/100 and thats really okay.

  • chrisredfield31

    When I reviewed FFXIII based on the import, I got the same kind of flak. I spoke nothing but facts. I’m on the other side of the wall now, but you’re just going to have to trust me on this one. I know what I’m talking about.

  • Mr. RHC

    “Well.. I didn’t actually experience the story” REVIEW MUST BE BIASED!!!

  • Mr. RHC

    “an intriguingly designed RPG weighed down by a bloated and often
    nonsensical story that feels bare even after fifty hours of game time.”

    That she even had to point out that the story is a hot mess is an outrage. We are talking about a game which bears the name of Final Fantasy. There’s no excuse for having a nonsensical story in a Final Fantasy game!

    And why are you even so fixated on numbered scores? Do you agree with the positive parts? Rejoice! Is there something you don’t agree with? Address it and stop whining! It’s almost like the Destructoid comment section in one of the Jim Sterling Reviews!

  • Aleister Crowley

    If I may suggest, how about stop whining about the whining?

  • Adam Rahman

    Whether he whines or not; Mr. here has made an important point.

  • Adam Rahman

    Here is my idea for Final Fantasy XVI http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/276/d/a/final_fantasy_xvi_by_nurflower-d6p3dcl.jpg Illustration by ,,, me xD
    – Flying Chocobo!
    – 1000km of Land & 10,000m above sea level to explore!
    – Cloud-based (Project Flare) powered A.I. NPCs & Enemies!
    – Command an army of 100,000 (chocobos, espers & Titan-Moogles!) at times of War, Kupo!
    – Ask Cid-D-Dude (Voiced by Jeff Bridges) to apply Job-systems on any vehicles & ships
    – Half-way through the game; beware of an ‘Unidentified Moon Invasion’ GDDR5 at its MAX!
    – 500+ Job-Systems: mix-&-match with over a million combinations, Kupo!
    – Have Motomu Toriyama in the game as a field enemie.

    (hence PS3/360 wasn’t powerful enough for Hiroyuki Ito’s vision – he himself literally said that! O.O

  • Mr. RHC

    I think it is important to point it out!

  • WatPotato

    Go on and actually play the game before giving it an estimated review score (from yourself). There is nothing to be prideful about in predicting average scores of video game reviews, not when the review scale in the west for large sites is ‘6 to 10’ instead of ‘0 to 10’. So your ‘7’ would in effect be lower than Erren’s score.

    My astonishment stems from a guy who actually thinks an individual review score can be ‘incorrect and inaccurate’ based off of an estimated review score, as if anyone who doesn’t toe the score is ‘inaccurate’. It’s hilarious that a guy with a so-called ‘decade of extensive experience’ does not understand the irony in stating the above.

  • XYFEIR

    I’m playing the Japanese version right now, I feel like this review is a bit harsh. The negative aspects of the game don’t weigh it down as much as you say it does, I feel. I found the story interesting, especially the ending. Lightning shows a huge character development change over the course of this game as well which I feel you didn’t speak of that and should’ve played into the story part of the review. Now, of course there are some side quests that I found un-fun, but others I found great such as fighting the Dragon enemy in Luxerion. Overall, I felt that this game was an improvement over XIII-2 in a lot of aspects. I found it WAY more fun and I’ll probably keep playing through it to unlock everything. But to each their own I guess.

  • Aleister Crowley

    Sorry, I should have said “How about not whining about the whining?”, just to lend a bit more weight about what he was saying. My bad.
    Besides, nonsense in FF? Have you played the one where a clown tries to destroy the world because he’s the poster-child for evil overlords, or where the guy with mommy issues tries to destroy the world because he has mommy issues? Or FFVIII?
    But, I do agree with Mr up to a certain point.

  • chrisredfield31

    I have to say this review is structured better than the main review lol

  • Mateus.E

    well,calling her integrity into question is definitely uncalled for.Still,you can’t put a videogame on a scale and put it on a proportional grade.After all,some things mistress Erren will penalize more/like more…that is why people should form their own opinion on the matter.But yeah…because of this mindset,I did end up wasting money with games that entertained me for a while,but were not that good to begin with.Still,I think she was always clear with her “appreciation” to the trilogy.Honestly,there is no reason to be surprised/angry with her review.Besides,at least she played it.

  • Mateus.E

    I don’t think you should continue provoking the people here.I don’t think they will take kindly to this…neither would I.This section will be close soon,if this keeps up.

  • Mr. RHC

    Final Fantasy VI is providing more storywise than FF XIII, and that is coming from someone who has played VI AFTER XIII.
    You were unlucky though pointing out a villain, because the antagonist in XIII is probably the worst written stuff I’ve ever experienced.
    As a matter of fact, replaying FFVIII, there is sentiment against VIII, but I can say it is way superior and more believable than XIII. Almost a “fantasy based in reality” not flawless by all means, but still.

  • chrisredfield31

    You have no idea what you’re talking about in the first place. Yes, most big websites score most games 6-10 however you have to consider the fact that most games do not deserve scores that dip below 6. What people like you don’t seem to understand is, game development is a business and there are many people in many departments that go into making this final product. So while a game might have horrid gameplay (eg: Ninja Gaiden 3), the graphics for instance might look amazing. Therefore in a review, you would give the graphics an 8-9 but the gameplay a 4. Then you will have your sound department as well as other stuff like features, etc. All of that averages out in the end and obviously a 5 or 6 would mean that the game is either average or below average, appropriate given the scale.

    edit: and another thing. Why don’t you go over to Polygon’s review of Last of Us and tell me that’s correct and accurate.

  • Mateus.E

    well,if I remove the grade bias glass,which tell us 9.0=1…and 10.0=10,I would say this game is worthy of a 7.5-8.0 indeed.It may be a wonderful game,it has many great moments,but I am mainly buying it to play a proper closure to the trilogy.Well,now that I think about it,many of the popular FFs aren’t that better to begin with…they may get away with an 8.0.honestly,reviews those days…and the people that read them are too contaminated.Still,this review is way too low.No way,from an objectively point of view does this game deserve a 5.
    It doesn’t have game breaking bugs or glitches… it has an easy to understand story(compared to XIII-2,which only recently I did understand,and love it)…it has great graphics…and it has an battle system that requires strategy and skill.

  • Mr. RHC

    No, why. I have made my point in a very moderate way, whether you agree with the point or not is something entirely different.

  • Lee Xueping

    You do realise they only had a year to complete this. If you want perfection you need at least more time than that. Plus, most of the maps are made from scratch, and that is not easy to complete the maps perfectly within such a short time span.

  • http://raitningz.tumblr.com/ Raitningz

    To be fair, I don’t think anyone is supposed to take that into consideration if we’re paying the same price for the game. It will be nice to lower one’s expectations, though.

  • Mateus.E

    rather weird.The fans should stand united to support SE.Bashing it to death is like shooting ourselves in the head.
    Still,the people here aren’t dumb.I am seeing some fine reviews here in this section.

  • Mateus.E

    well,the mods here are rather sensible…and lately,they have been closing some sections,because people like you go out of their way to provoke others.You have made your point,so why are you repeating it so mockingly?You honestly believe this trilogy deserves a 1/10?that is called provoking-taunting.and that will close this section.
    Consider yourself lucky,for normally,I would chew on you.Only reason I am being so nice to you is because this place here is so warming…and i shouldn’t repay them badly…for showing me that it is not a mistake to like something,even if the majority is against you.

  • http://raitningz.tumblr.com/ Raitningz

    How can you review it if you haven’t played it, lol

  • kepu

    Well yeah, you are right in that she probably has now better opinion of the game and truly knows problems what there maybe than most of people here. So calling her review biased or whining that score was too low is now a bit strange, stupid or both. I’ve only played the JP demo what I didn’t really understand and have saw some youtube videos. So I cannot really give any score or view of the game yet.

    But honestly I think there are some major problems with this _review_ because I don’t really understand most of her points. Telling that sidequests were dull or something and story was bad doesn’t really say anything if you don’t open your opinions a little bit what made them that. And repeating old messages it is pretty “unfair” to say that open world game looks bad or there were some hiccups on this old generation. Perhaps there are some graphics issues that could have been solved but there are true limits that this generation can do and perhaps next one maybe a bit better again. But of course PS3 or Xbox 360 open world game cannot compete on visuals of a game with a linear gameplay or with some new PC games.

    And it is pretty strange complain that in an open world game the flow of the story is uneven or not steady. I don’t really understand how you can tell a story in consistent manner in a game like this. Linear gameplay is much much simpler to keep story flowing but that got really much hate with the first game. So what kind of game should next Final Fantasy be? Or is there no future for this series?

  • Mr. RHC

    Why am I’m the one provoking when I just point out what I think is a Lightning Defense Force denying reality and worshiping only high numbered scores! I’m thought provoking, yes!
    I know, we are talking about F. *Fantasy* but just look at it. Final Fantasy has suffered from Lightning fatigue and people have lost hope in the series, if it wasn’t for XIV:ARR, everybody would still be depressed.

  • Mateus.E

    and well,knowing that you gave XIII-2 8/10 is just throwing fuel at a blaze…so yeah,maybe you shouldn’t have said that,mistress Erren.Well,after this,it will be rather hard to read this as a standalone…

  • JSYK

    I rarely read reviews anymore since most of the time they’re not really helpful. I’m just going with my gut whether a game is good or bad. For example, a lot of people criticized RE6 for doing something new to the series (although not new to other games) but I loved playing every bit of it. Another is Tales of Xillia which got good reviews. I liked the battle system and all but replay quality is not so great IMO so I stopped when I got my party to 99. For an ff comparison, look at 12. it was a good game. a great game. problem is the gambit system was too good that i literally fell asleep countless of times while playing and that is not a good sign for me. Point is, stop relying on reviews if you think a game is interesting or not. The good thing about our generation is that we have lots of demos easily available now. Just take a look at what the features are, experience it for yourself, and then judge afterwards. If you don’t like it, then don’t spread the hate. Won’t do you good anyways since other people will still buy it cause they liked it. End of discussion.

  • Mateus.E

    each of us defines reality as we please.I too am happy this trilogy is done…I will miss it,but I think it finally gave everything it could…more than 3 games would overstay their welcome,and Toriyma knew that.I haven’t lost hope for the series,it’s just…I am just bored at it…SE is playing an annoying game…by not being open to their fans.Who knows,at this rate,XV and it’s sequel siblings may be my final fantasies.I refuse to wait 10 more years for a fucking good game.

  • Mr. RHC

    Fair enough.

  • vagrant_soul

    I’m glad the FF13 series is over. As much as I love it I’ve never seen such hate for a game in my life;the same hate that made me not play the first installment until a few years later.I still regret choosing to take another opinion instead of playing the game for myself.Regardless though, Erren is entitled to his/her views on the game as well as everyone else. As long as you enjoy the game nothing else should matter.

  • Mr. RHC

    You are editing your posts so often.. I don’t even know when I can reply to its final form! And I really don’t hope FF XV is *the* Final Fantasy, I’d like the series to go on some more and that all fans can be happy! *o*

  • Noctis Caelum

    “Have Motomu Toriyama in the game as a field enemie.” xDD

  • WatPotato

    Oh yes, game development is a business and they place high emphasis on getting a high metacritic score, because this is the only way they can evaluate themselves and their product, by relying on some meaningless numbers without the substance of evaluating poor management or bad design ideas and so on. Your emphasis on the numerical review score shows exactly what is wrong with the mentality to begin with, because here you are saying a score is ‘wrong’ because it’s so important to have the score be in the ‘right’ range of values for the developer.

    What you fail to understand is that there is no ‘correct and accurate’ when it comes to review scores. At best you can cry that a review score is unfair considering the content of the review. The words ‘correct’ and ‘accurate’ are left towards things that have actual quantifiable calculation; needless to say review scores and averages do not fall in that category. That is why a 5/10 or a 7/10 is neither correct nor accurate, because these are numbers based off opinions. In the end, I don’t think you know what you’re talking about either, because your mind is too stuck in this region where the numbers are unbelievably important and actually reflect the value of the product.

    A change in word choice to ‘fair’ or ‘unfair’ may suit you better.

  • Noctis Caelum

    Well then, than it’s a preview. xD

  • http://raitningz.tumblr.com/ Raitningz

    Anyway, if you’re interested, I gave it a 7. Coming from a huge Lightning fan.

    http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/681990-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/68012110

  • Mateus.E

    Sorry.I do it all the time so I can make my point clearer.Don’t worry,I am not the dishonest type to trick you into replying wrong.Wasn’t even aware that you were accompanying my edits :) .Well,not so much I don’t.I am rather tired.maybe that is making me go slower and making useless edits.You shouldn’t be afraid to do it too,if you need.Well,just saying that I think I understand you…so do I,I wish a long live to the series…but,if this shitty treatment to the fans continues,alongside this delay in making good games,I am done.

  • http://raitningz.tumblr.com/ Raitningz

    Yep, fans gonna fan. Reviews are just for the people sitting on the fence. I’ve finished the game and I’m sure anyone who loves XIII or the cast will love this game, though it does have it flaws from a technical standpoint. No need for the fans to vehemently disagree with the review.

  • Erry

    I’ve actually completed the game and spent enough hours to know that this review is not something I agree with.

    http://psnprofiles.com/trophies/2278-LIGHTNING-RETURNS-FINAL-FANTASY-XIII/Erry-Leonhart

  • Told you

    I KNEW that this game was going to be crap from the moment they announced it.

    Thanks for mutilating FF 13 Square Enix, it’s still my favourite console game but you gone goofed real big time here. Now I’m outbf4 raging weaboos neg my post and post hateful comments.

  • chrisredfield31

    What you’re still not understanding is that game reviewing is not just subjective but it’s objective as well. It is because of the objectivity that allows it to be correct or incorrect. I understand what you’re saying. You’re completely focused on the subjectivity part and in that case no person’s score or opinion can be correct or incorrect. If you want to have a subjective review based on your OWN personal bias, beliefs and preferences, then it may be best not to include a score AT ALL (like what Kotaku does nowadays). But if you’re going to use a score, then it’s automatically objective+subjective therefore obviously the score is going to turn out a certain way based on the result of the game.

  • Told you

    I could almost ignore this game altogether.. sadly however this piece of rubbish will be seen as some form of legitimate bait to use against those like myself who love the original XIII but see this game for the cheap cash in it is.

  • Erry

    I believe I have a right to say that after platinuming both XIII, XIII-2 and on the way to platinuming LR:FFXIII.

  • Mr. RHC

    Uhh..yeah.. it’s true then.. I guess?

  • Storm

    I played VI at the same time I was playing XIII, and no, the story doesnt provide a backstory for the main villain and half of the characters are useless in the main plot (actually you have to do sidequests to see most of the development); at least in XIII all the cast was important.

  • Leon Aether

    To be honest I was expecting a bit better score, around 6.5 – 7/10 from Erren. I have discussed with her during her LR streaming on Twitch and she made it clear that she was trully disappointed… And I think I got it why. She is right about many things! But this? Though I won’t judge until I actually play the whole game, I too find this score a bit harsh! I mean… I would never believe that SE produced such a bad game as it’s described to be… I do understand that it’s a cheap game, and that the textures indeed seem to be trully bad in some occasions. A story is a key word when talking about a game. Though I have read some of it on Mognet Central, I didn’t spoil myself more until February arrives… It sounds a bit messy, so I do hold my horses until then. The world of LR seems to be the main problem for Erren. It’s technically flawed, but is it really that flawed?
    I just cannot understand how “Lightning Returns features a lovely soundtrack and has some great artistic direction behind it”, “Lightning Returns isn’t awful”, “Customization is without doubt the biggest key to ensuring you have a good time with the game”, and “By far the most positive aspect of Lightning Returns stems from its battle system” are so much cloaked by the referant technically flawed world and the rest flaws and that these lead to this “Score: 5/10”. I think, the fact that Lightning is the main and only protagonist of the last of the series, was another main factor for this review. Don’t get me wrong, it’s trully acceptable and understandable that some fans are just sick of her. I just find it too harsh, to judge like this a whole game only for the above reasons…

    EDIT 1: Just to make it clear, I am a fan both of the saga and Lightning, and I really don’t mind if she is the only playable character. In fact I really enjoy it! Especially her customisation features!
    EDIT 2: I would like to thank Erren for the review. It won’t stop me from buying the game, that’s for sure. But after completing it, I will be pleased to be able to compare my own “review” with hers and every other’s, regardless if I will agree with them or not… Besides, trading ideas and thoughts is what makes everything interesting!

  • Adam Rahman

    Sorry to have woken you up, Prince. LOL

  • iLoveLightning

    Finally joined NC I see, lol.

  • iLoveLightning

    I don’t think anyone here really cares about your anticipation, to be frank.

  • anfos121

    Good job FF fans, these comments have proved that you guys are as bad as Sonic fans. Get the f*** over it, it’s someone elses opinion.

  • Storm

    lol

  • http://raitningz.tumblr.com/ Raitningz

    Hi Pooh. Someone posted it over there and I just couldn’t resist to comment here. There sure is a lot of zeal coming from both fans and haters.

  • Somber

    Unfortunately :(

  • potatoes

    This review is quite strange and I’m tempted to call into question the reviewer’s priorities as a gamer. According to her the core gameplay appears to be solid from the customization to the combat. The biggest issue she had was with the story, bland fetchquests, and technical issues such as framerate drops – all of which are issues she found in XIII-2 (according to her review) as well but did not consider them as heavily, so why did she here?

  • Leon Aether

    I think every such flaw is a bit more obvious in this last installment. To be honest, watching some LR streamings on Twitch made me agree with many things that Erren mentioned above… Though some of them seem to be a bit disconcerting, I do though expect it to be better when I play it myself. I did enjoy the Jap Demo, that’s why… And as I have stated below, I too find this score a bit strange and harsh…

  • http://www.facetimepolice.com/ ultromega

    This game could receive a 1/10 or a 10/10. It wouldn’t affect my opinion either way. :)

  • vagrant_soul

    Damn straight!

  • potatoes

    I share your sentiments exactly. I tried to watch NC’s twitch stream but switched over to another when I realized she was playing on easy. I agree with many parts of this review too but the negative points she noted don’t seem like they should carry much weight on the overall game. From the comments, it appears as though the reviewer was dissatisfied with the XIII series from the beginning so I believe that should be taken in account by everyone reading this review. Hopefully we both enjoy playing game for ourselves.

  • Noctis Caelum

    Sorry that I slept so long.
    You will see me next E3 2014. xD

  • chrisredfield31

    okay the whole review thrown out the window now. Easy doesn’t count.

  • bhun

    While I strongly disagree with most parts of this review, I’d like to point out that this game is incredibly hard even on easy. The developers said that they recommend starting on easy mode, and after completing the game myself, I have to agree with them. In New Game+ it becomes a bit easier when Lightning is already more powerful, but the first playthrough can be hell sometimes.

  • Adam Rahman

    Thankfully; Your just a Minority. ^.^

    *Print Screened & ready to submit on DeviantArt & Facebook!

    Don’t purchase FFXV & FFXVI.
    Instead, Wait till Motomu Toriyama next console title.

    All The Best!

  • heero2001

    I think FFXII was just as bad. The only difference was that it was at the end of the PS2 generation and people stop talking about it once PS3 came out and XIII was announced.

  • Leon Aether

    It’s disconcerting that some people keep posting such rude, irrelevant and offensive comments, only to prove how much hate they keep inside them. For my comment below I received a reply (thus an automatically sent e-mail) stating: “Wow, you need to be beaten to death.”!
    Hopefully the NC staff is here for us to maintain the balance and eliminate such behaviors. It’s just pitiful by all means, seeing things like that. Unfortunately some people never grow up… Thank you NC! Appreciated.

  • DarmusXIII

    Well Erren Did Do The Review And If Anybody Else Remembers Erren Wasnt A Huge Fan Of The XIII Series In General But With That Aside It Shouldnt Matter If U Love The Game U Love It, If Not Then U Dont haha Its Just Their Opinion Like Many Have Pointed Out 😛 Anway Cant Wait For LR Myself That And FFXV

  • iLoveLightning

    I highly doubt that.

  • iLoveLightning

    It’s not usually this argumentative over here. Over the last month this place has just become a troll-fest.

  • iLoveLightning

    “Still,the people here aren’t dumb”

    Sadly I don’t think this statement applies to a select number of users here right now.

  • Alleo

    You know I have nothing against the review itself (a review will always be biased) it´s well written for most of the part but I really don´t understand the score. I know that if you like the story more than the game play and it doesn´t deliver that, that the score will be lower but my problem is that I can´t see what is so worse that this game only deserves 5 stars. You did write in some comments that it´s not the story alone but we can´t really read that clearly from the text. Maybe the site needs its own score system? It would be a lot easier for the readers if every single part like story or graphic etc. has their own score and at the end (for example like Noctis Caelum did in the comments) sum it all up. If all the mods create this together then this would be much more objective and everyone that does a review on this site has a base structure and then say how much points he/she gives per part. In the end it could still be only five out of ten points for you but we would be able to see where you got your main problems which would help the people who are unsure much more. (And the points for each part would also show if it´s too biased or not)

    The only thing that I really did not like in the review itself were the last sentences. I don´t think it´s good to write that nobody should buy it at the beginning (even the fans) or that some should consider to not even buy it anytime. It´s just so different to the much more well written part of the rest of the review where you even write about the good things which shows that not everything is bad and maybe they are exactly the parts that the people like the most.

    And I agree with Leon Aether some comments are so rude…why do people only come here to bash the series? And some fans are rude too. Calling this review disgusting is not really mature. I would find it sad if this topic is closed thanks to these people =(

  • Alleo

    do you mean Erren? :) Because I think Ehren likes XIII 😉

  • Zerox20

    So far we plan to leave the comments open and not lock them. We did discuss it briefly after a lot of the type of comments that were being posted and having to be moderated. But we decided its best to keep it open as lots of people have posted some great feedback around the review too.

  • iLoveLightning

    “Wow, you need to be beaten to death.”

    Probably some angry 50 year old who’s letting their rage out on the internet to compensate for real life. Don’t let stuff like that get to you. :]

  • Leon Aether

    Thank you! They never did though, trust me! It’s just sad!
    I wouldn’t even comment it, I just wanted to thank NC that’s all!

  • Alleo

    Great news =) and it´s really interesting to read so many different views. It´s just sad that some know no respect =(

  • Leon Aether

    I totally agree! I see no reason to see this topic closed. It’s natural. People just roam around the web posting comments here and there. And since there is a solution, well all you need to do is keep it up!
    As for the comments below, even if many of the fans totally disagree with Erren, that too is entirely subjective, and all opinions should be heard. Besides Erren wanted to share her opinion and experience with us. She wouldn’t do it if she didn’t care. Just because we don’t like it so much, that doesn’t mean we should cross the line and start bombing her! So yes! I agree! And thanks again…

  • Pekola

    Ay ay ay! This comment section. Smh.

    I’m not sure what to think of this review. I usually like to compare reviews and come to a consensus when I’m on the fence about a game.

  • XYFEIR

    Are you serious? It’s a game! Christ! This is why I tend to stay away from all gaming communities nowadays (save for this one). I’m sorry someone said that to you. :< Probably just a troll.

  • Jaundré

    Sorry for late reply. Speaking about environments, I think the desert dunes will probably come off as the best looking since there are no intricate designs or excessive details that need to be incorporated unlike the city maps, although I saw some scenes in both cities are flawlessly done. The picture Erren put up in the review of the desert is beautiful.

  • DarmusXIII

    I Did Put Erren Lol Didn’t I ??? – Confused Now xD jk

  • http://www.facetimepolice.com/ ultromega

    (This isn’t directed at Erren)

    I’ve noticed that the story of this series is constantly under scrutiny, but why? What exactly is so bad about it?

    All fiction requires you to suspend belief in order for you to enjoy it. Does Alice in Wonderland make sense? Is Superman believable? Is every movie that deals with time travel realistic?.. And so forth. I don’t see what the Lightning saga does differently that its story would be specifically pointed out for being particularly bad.

    After all, we’re all fans of an entire franchise of games that frequently feature magic, monsters, and futuristic machinery. In the end, isn’t it ALL “nonsense?” :)

  • Arthur Spira

    I think this review was too hasty …
    We ,westerners, should have waited for the U.S. version to completely understand the history of the game …for the time being, we just have parts that some people translated or summarized.

  • Zerox20

    We are working on posting our review criteria… hopefully this will better shed some light on how we go about reviewing games and scores behind them. =)

  • iLoveLightning

    I ask myself question that all the time. When people simply say they couldn’t understand / didn’t get the story, it really pisses me off because it sounds like some BS excuse for them jumping on the hate band-wagon.

  • Lowe De Leon

    The same exact thoughts sir.

  • Storm

    the worst thing: past FFs had “nonsensical” plot-points too.

  • Storm

    my impression as well, it seems to be less crazy and confusing than XIII-2, based on the many translations I’ve found.

  • XYFEIR

    I feel like the story just won’t be enjoyed by those who haven’t enjoyed the previous two. The story is relatively expected for what it is.

  • Leon Aether

    Thank you! I’m not that sorry… To be honest I lauphed hard! xD

  • Leon Aether

    No offense, but I think Erren understood all of it before she wrote down the review. Besides the game is exactly the same in both versions. She didn’t dig in the story while writing this article just to avoid spoilers as she mentioned above. So I don’t see it being any hasty at all… Her opinion though is of course entirely subjective.

  • Leon Aether

    I think it happens all the time. Is FFXII’s story better than XIII saga’s? For me not at all! While many XII lovers would definitely and instantly disagree with me. While I found XII’s story too flat and really boring most of the time, many others found it geniously written.
    What I’m trying to say is, that everyone has their own expectations. And I do believe that most of the fans eagerly wish to meet them when a new FF comes out. So it’s normal seeing that many fans didn’t meet theirs in the saga.
    However, as FFXIII saga fan I’m a bit concerned about LR’s story after reading some of the plot and the way the game combines the pieces. I do too believe that inconsistency will be an issue, maybe for one reason: We can dive into any of the 5 main quests whenever we wish and in any way we wish. So that’s why I still hold my big horses. Okay, I can’t hold my whole excitement of course! I so anticipate that game!

  • Leon Aether

    True and fair enouph!

  • Wazi the pa

    My bad, that was my friend….. Hes a hardcore VII fan and hate XIII’s guts….. and he cancelled my preorder……. anything that was posted under my account was probably him….. Ill have to check….. and no i disagree his point…… FF can be good even with a an amazing combat system…. take XII for example :p

  • Wazi the pa

    That was my friend who posted that comment….. and personally I have no idea whether hes right or wrong about Toriyama……. The JP demo of LR was great, although i couldnt understand the story due to a different dialect……. I still had fun….. and im hoping for more.

  • Wazi the pa

    A faggot friend of mine read this review, went bananas and excited, he decided to not only cancel my precious preorder….. but also to use my account and spread the news that its all Toriyama’s fault and such…….. THANKFULLY I MANAGED TO REDEEM my pre-order…..

  • Wazi the pa

    Again……. my asshole of a friend did this…..

  • Wazi the pa

    Fuck you, you bastard…… fuck you…….

  • Wazi the pa

    No…… I kept my pre-order….. and my friend will never be allowed to step into my house ever again…… ever…..

  • Wazi the pa

    This I agree his point….. the story wasn’t as strong as XIII, but the gameplay was enough to keep me going to finishing the game.
    The reason why I’m replying to myself is because that wasn’t me posting…. it was a bastard….. enough said.

  • stevenm281

    So, who other than Fang and the white Chocobo are the guest party members?

  • chrisredfield31

    Hopefully it’s not like Polygon where someone plays a game, writes the review, then all gather around to convert the text into a number lol

  • chrisredfield31

    To expand on your 2nd to last paragraph, these reviews are supposed to be written FOR the readers, fans, etc. It is this very reason that personal bias such as those should never be a part of any review. The review is supposed to give readers a better look into the game and they can use that information possibly to purchase the game (or not) or simply because they want to know about the game in anticipation for it.

    The problem with most reviews nowadays is that reviewers like to inject their personal bias into it and score completely based on that (for example, misogyny and GTA V on Gamespot, non-violence, anti-guns for Last of Us at Polygon). They forget that they are writing this review for the readers and what the reviewers think about certain matters is not central to what the readers are looking to learn in the review. They can comment on whatever matters they wish but for it to affect the final score is absurd. In THIS case, since we don’t know the review criteria, it appears as if the reviewer is a story-heavy JRPG player and story happened to be the biggest failing of the game, thus the low final score of the game.

  • chrisredfield31

    The difficulty is part of the core experience of the game. I like the challenge. Ever play XCom series? Hardcore stuff going on over there. When I get my copy in February I’m starting right on Normal and my friend is on board too and he didn’t even play the other XIII games. People seem to forget why they love to play video games. People like me came from a generation where we barely had any story and our games were actually focused on gameplay first.

  • XYFEIR

    It’s really not hard to follow the story, I think it’s because people lose interest, don’t finish it/half ass it, and then wonder what just happened.

  • chrisredfield31

    lol I think a lot of us came over from N4G. We’re a passionate bunch over there.

  • Pekola

    I don’t know. I often wonder to be honest because I’ve yet to find anyone who explains it at length.

    It would be interesting to know, because I don’t really see XIII being all that different from other RPG’s. I mean, there are some things which I can definitely bring to the table as valid criticism.

    However, just saying the story is ‘bad’ doesn’t really explain or contribute anything.

  • Pekola

    I don’t know. I often wonder to be honest because I’ve yet to find anyone who explains it at length.

    It would be interesting to know, because I don’t really see XIII being all that different from other RPG’s. I mean, there are some things which I can definitely bring to the table as valid criticism.

    However, just saying the story is ‘bad’ doesn’t really explain or contribute anything.

  • Zeigarnik

    Its an emotional response more than it is calculated criticism. Maybe characters , music , world resonated with some people but not others.

    In the case of FFXIII, its pretty much the first FF in the internet age(where internet is highly accessible to everyone)
    A vocal minority would like to make you think that story or characters are particularly bad , when really they aren’t.

    There is considerable effort and attention given to the story in FFXIII.Its on par with any FF title really and rarely found in games.

    Most people will give you emotional reasons on why they hate it.Which is fine.Internet reaction is exaggerated.

    Some people think the story in 2D FFs are the best and that was when characters couldn’t even form a visible expression or have a voice.

    Which makes you wonder whether lightning is really that “unexpressive” of a character or if its just a matter of perception and interpretation.

  • Erren Van Duine

    I have updated the review with a link to our review policy and a further explanation as to why the game scored as it did.

  • Erren Van Duine

    That’s actually it.

  • Jesus Christ

    “One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.”

    Whew! It’s a good thing I said a little prayer before reading this review. This articulate and predictably negative review does not deter me from purchasing the game in any way. This review means nothing. My decision has already been solidified. My allegiance is divinely set in stone. In My Name, I shall champion Claire “Lightning” Farron and the trilogy until the end. I am glad the Lightning storm is coming to an end so crazy fanatics and smear another game – Oh, hey, Look! There’s Final Fantasy XV! 😉 There’s a lot of XV apologists here, so, be careful. LOL

    Anyway, reading this review does not change my sincere and abundant appreciation for Erren Van Duine for her industry and generosity for the Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts communities. Nova Crystallis is one of the few essential sources (the others being Final Fantasy FXN ^_^, Final Fantasy Network, Square Portal, Kingdom Hearts Insider, and KH13 to list a few) that provides well-written news articles on Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts for the fans and I am definitely a fan. And I mean every word. I am just not a fan of this review.

    The best review is the one I’m going to write for myself. Amen.

    https://31.media.tumblr.com/639f995af1fb7b0211184f60bd098dcd/tumblr_mq2giuSpXc1sv5a2jo1_400.gif

  • Erren Van Duine

    Don’t worry, if FFXV has issues I will make sure to point them out too. Lord knows it just might with 7 years of development and counting…

  • Jesus Christ

    Erren, you are so awesome. Final Fantasy XV is so shiny and pretty. Be nice. LOLOL

  • Erren Van Duine

    Yeah but we still don’t know much about it and I doubt we will any time soon.

  • Jesus Christ

    Oh, sure. I understand. I know you’re likely to be the one to get the inside scoop. The exclusive! Share it with the community when you get the chance.

  • John Sotomayor

    You may have a right to call the review disgusting, but I have the right to think that such a harsh opinion over someone else’s opinion (over a VIDEO GAME of all things) is immature and ridiculous.

    And how is this site undeserving of its name? “Nova Crystallis” refers to “Fabula Nova Crystallis” which comprises the XIII series, Type-0, and XV. Erren had nothing but praise for Type-0, while XV isn’t even out yet. And even if she didn’t review Type-0 favorably, why does that mean NC is suddenly undeserving of being called NC?

    I like the XIII games well enough, and I’m both shocked and appalled at the ridiculousness of some of these comments. What the hell, people? Someone else’s opinion truly bugs you that much? Why?

    I’ve heard people justify themselves with reasons like “the review was good but the score doesn’t make sense.” Erren gave the game a 5/10. To me, that means that half of the game was good and half wasn’t so good, in her opinion of course. She praised some parts and criticized other parts in a professional manner. To her, it evened out to 5/10, which means “average.”

    I wouldn’t even give my favorite game of all time a 10/10, because nothing is perfect. With that in mind, for me, a 9/10 is the best a game can ever do in such a numbered system of ratings, with 8 meaning the game has just one flaw. A 7 means there are a few flaws but they’re largely forgivable. A 6 means there are a few flaws, but they’re slightly less forgivable. A 5 is average, right down the middle. And it just gets worse from there. I can’t believe I seriously had to type this out for some people (not necessarily you, Erry, but for other people who don’t seem to understand how a 5/10 isn’t a score that a “hater” would give this game).

  • chrisredfield31

    I checked out your review scale. I think that you guys may be better off with a 1-5 scale rather than 1-10. 1-10 is better used on objective based reviews and 1-5 is more accurate for subjective type reviews (which is why Amazon’s overall average was accurate all things considered and why most movie reviewers use it)

  • John Sotomayor

    EVERYONE IS BEING AWFUL.

    Guys, stop being awful just because one person out there doesn’t like this game as much as you.

    That’s seriously the only thing that’s bothering you.

  • John Sotomayor

    Accurate…?

    They’re opinions.

    Can you seriously not translate a 1-5 scale to a 1-10 scale? It’s the same exact thing, just with more depth.

  • Erren Van Duine

    Pretty much.

  • Zeigarnik

    Nice umbrella post calling everyone awful.

  • John Sotomayor

    It was an exaggeration. Obviously.

  • Mr. RHC

    Jesus Christ really seems to be a nice and understanding person!

  • Mr. RHC

    He was not calling *everybody* awful though.

  • Mugen

    Yeah. Seems like what most people aren’t getting is the scale. People need to stop looking at it as a percentage, but rather as a bell curve scale, where 5 is the average between 1-10.

  • Mr. RHC

    Yes, this indeed!

  • Pekola

    As an aside, the site is looking much nicer. And the review score image is a nice touch.

    I think Erren seems unfazed by all this kerfufle but she’s still a person with feelings and opinions and regardless of how she might feel about some responses, it doesn’t mean they should be a thing.

    (Mods plz don’t close this one too ; ~ 😉

  • Pekola

    What’d you expect. He died for our sins.

  • Mr. RHC

    I know right, no I know why everybody is calling this site a warm place! When you have a poster like Jesus Christ, everybody can be happy!

  • Pekola

    Well to be fair, I can see the uproar since that’s not really commonplace anymore. Not even on some tests where 50% is still an F.

    In game reviewing, apparently anything below a 7 is trash. A really bad trend if you ask me.

  • Jean Paiva

    It’s just a review people, don’t get mad….

  • Ehren Rivers

    Agreed. I don’t have the time or the energy to make the longer post I would like, but please everyone…

    Calm down. Even if you really don’t agree with her review, that’s fine. It’s not FOR you, it’s for people who are on the fence. And it won’t be the only one, either. Prospective buyers of the game will have a number of view points to look at, and if it helps them make a decision then good. If not, then we tried. If you’ve already made up your mind one way or the other regarding this game, and you see a review you don’t like or don’t agree with then TOUGH. That’s no excuse to become abusive or rag on Erren. She wrote her honest feelings, and that’s all anyone can ask for. And for the record, the review scale she added to the end of the review is pretty much on-the-nose how *I* look at game scoring.

    I’m really, really disappointed in some of the comments I’ve seen here today.

  • Jean Paiva

    makes sense.

  • FinalFantisiac

    Snap-diddle, a 5/10? Okay…

  • stevenm281

    how sad… can Fang be a party member for a long time at least?

  • Lee Xueping

    Its fine if you guy don’t care about this statement I’m just saying this as someone who is learning to design games in school and it is hard work.

  • John Sotomayor

    I seriously don’t think there’s an objective way to review games. At all.

    Objectivity implies facts. A review for a story or work of art implies impressions, opinions, and what the reviewer *feels* about the work itself.

    What exactly can be objective about a video game? Even if a game has great graphics with a high framerate and no graphical issues whatsoever, that can be seen as a negative for someone who prefers pixel-y 2D games. It ALL comes down to opinion and subjectivity, every single time.

    You want objectivity? Go read some science articles. A score for a work of art or a story does not imply objectivity and subjectivity. No clue why you think that. A score for a test certainly does, but the numbers in this score represent feelings that the reviewer has, not a number of correct or incorrect things.

  • Erren Van Duine

    Until you clear the Dead Dunes main quest and that’s the only area she’ll help you in.

  • Jesus Christ

    Dang, can’t we all get along? Do I need to sing it out for y’all?

    “You don’t have to protect Lightning, she’s not afraid.
    Please don’t start a war again
    Please don’t slam door at Erren
    You don’t have keep getting heated anymore

    ‘Cause for the first time in forever
    I finally understand
    For the first time in forever,
    we can be kind to one another hand in hand.

    We can brave through these negative reviews together
    You don’t have to read them in fear
    Cause for the first time in forever
    I – Jesus Christ – Will be right Here.”

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL Which movie did I just reference?

  • Jesus Christ

    Bless you both. Read my new post, tryna create harmony. LOL

  • http://raitningz.tumblr.com/ Raitningz

    No.. That’s hardly the point. If you pay $30 for a steak at a restaurant, do you care if the chef is in a bad mood? Cooking good food isn’t easy. You can’t expect the customer to care until you start charging lower prices. It is not a charity, it is a product people pay for and reviews are supposed to be critical.

  • http://raitningz.tumblr.com/ Raitningz

    Never heard of N4G.

  • potatoes

    A breakdown of what the scale indicates is helpful, but I don’t think that resolves anything. An explanation of the scales doesn’t signify the degree to which the pros/cons you found in the game came to inform your score. The main issue I personally had with this review was the inconsistency in how you weighted certain elements; this flaw is especially apparent when your XIII, XIII-2, and LR reviews are looked at comparatively. For instance, a lot of the same flaws you alluded to in LR existed in your XIII-2 review as well: poor story, technical issues, and bland fetch-quests. So it’s reasonable to call into question why these issues you found have such a magnitude on LR’s score, especially when they didn’t in your review of XIII-2.

    Here’s a basic summary of the elements in your reviews:
    XIII – You scored it a 7, citing a poor story (-), poor pacing (-), linear design (-), no real town/shops (-), lack of additional content (-), story-gated progression system (-), a decent soundtrack (+), and a strong, but flawed combat system (+), Great graphics/art direction (+).
    XIII-2 – You scored it an 8, citing a poor story (-), non-linear design (+), the partial return of true FF shops/towns (+), bland fetch-quests (-), tedious minigames (-), refinements to the battle system (+), streamlined progression system (+), too easy (-), framerate drops (-), asset recycling (-), less polished graphics (-), and a great soundtrack (+).
    LR – You scored it a 5, citing a poor story (-), poor pacing (-), non-linear design (+), poorly implemented doomsday clock (-), bland fetch-quests (-), evolved battle system (+), customization depth (+), poor graphics despite great art direction (-), great soundtrack (+), framerate drops (-), and asset recycling (-).

    Looking at this summary of the elements in your reviews illustrate how all over the place it is. The big categories such as story, battle system, etc. are covered but you’ll comment on a certain element in one game, yet ignore it in another. You praised XIII-2 for adding Chocolina to partially address the lack of traditional shops and towns. Well, they’re back in full-force in LR yet not a single comment about that. You found XIII-2 to be too easy, but why isn’t difficulty accounted for in the LR review? Pacing is touched upon in XIII and LR, but where is it in XIII-2’s review? Etc. Etc.

    I agree with many of the points you made in the LR review but I’m having a lot of trouble imagining how you quantified the elements leading to your final numerical score – you simply aren’t commenting on some intersectional elements between the games makes it even more difficult to infer how much each element is weighted. In the end, I realize it all boils down to subjectivity and It might be asking too much for you to exhaustively detail, categorize, and explain how each element weighs on the score you give to each game but it definitely hinders how well you justify your score, which I believe contributes to a large part of the vitriol spewed here.

  • Sǯdi Sǻymeh

    i remember when i played FF12 on PS2 one of the best FF games out there the first 5 hours the story kinda drag and it was slow but i liked it because of the gameplay then i liked the story

    anyhow LR story is not rubbish its mediocre , so great gameplay with a mediocre story is a good game not 5/10 .

  • Mugen

    Too many SE white knights on here.

  • Somber

    Woah! Some people want this site to be another Gamefaq (which they call ”Freedom” “Real”) and label those who like Lightning Saga “SE Propaganda Drones” and “Toriyama Fandumbs”. That’s just very rude and immature. :/

  • miss chel

    Which is why numerical ratings in my opinion are unnecessary. The only things that matter are the pros and cons. I’m not fond of Kotaku but I like how they do it that way, listing those points down to sum things up.

  • Wazi the pa

    I agree with you. That was my friend who used my account to post bout his feelings towards the XIII series. Sorry for that :p

  • Jaundré

    The funny thing here is that when I gave the review to some of my gaming friends that do not play final fantasy as in depth as I do (play it once and forget it) they are all of the opinion that this is a balanced review with 40% of the review reflecting on in game-play features, that is, stating facts about how the dynamics of the game work. The 2 or 3 pictures complements what Erren said. I am grateful for the review scale, that means about 95% of games would be expected to score 8 or less, I think it is fair. While not personally in agreement with 5/10, one can’t criticise a review as to give a review of the review! The major point Erren makes is the story being nonsensical and that LR doesn’t give a satisfactory ending to the trilogy. That is her experience and on 14 feb we might disagree however my disagreement of her assessment does NOT make her a bad reviewer or her review questionable. Honest and fair review period. I am tired of reading comments below. Retiring from this discussion.

  • Lee Xueping

    Not going to argue. ZZZZ…..

  • Leon Aether

    I couldn’t agree more…

  • iLoveLightning

    *whispers* Tell them to go back.

  • chrisredfield31

    No, it’s not. It’s the illusion of more depth. There’s a reason why movie reviewers and some game reviewers use the 1-5 scale. It’s less bloated and users understand exactly what rating it is. With 1-10 scale in this fashion, it’s too bloated and what is a 4 might as well be a 5 or 6, it’s the same thing. That’s why on a 1-5 scale it sits as a 3, just like it does on Amazon.co.jp.

  • chrisredfield31

    To clarify, 1-10 reviews only have more depth when the scale consists of scoring individual elements of the game (story/graphics/presentation/sound, etc) and then averaging them together, like IGN does. That’s exactly why a 1-10 scale is used on IGN and reason why it works. In this particular instance, they are actually using the 1-5 scale but they doubled it. It’s bloated and really not required when those entries are slightly different from each other, they might as well have been the same thing.

  • LightZero

    The last thing I would want. Gamefaqs really is a hell hole.

  • Leon Aether

    Can you refer to what the possible flaws will may be attributed to? Is it their new “philosophy”? The way they are trying to make a step forward? Or maybe economical reasons? You made it quite clear during this year, why LR is a fairly cheap game. But why SE would repeat or at least make mistakes with XV after so many years of development?
    Well it’s true that many of us don’t just buy that “the best FF game ever created” before we actually see it. But I do believe that they are capable of delivering it…

  • sadmanex

    i expect 7~7.5 score and not 8 considering time management aspect
    and obviously not 5 ~6 or lower

  • Noctis Caelum

    Okay sorry about my own review post and what I said, but i was simply blind and angry about the review.
    I think reviews are just avoid the players to buy or even play a game if it has a bad review.
    But of course there are people who buy games anyway (like me) even if it has a bad or good review.

  • John Sotomayor

    A 3 on a 1-5 scale is exactly in the middle.
    A 5 on a 1-10 scale is exactly in the middle.

    They. Are. The. Same.

  • chrisredfield31

    They are not the same. These people come from different websites and their standards for reviews are different as well. For example, I’m from IGN. Therefore to me, a 1-10 scale means that a game was scored on it’s elements and then averaged together. Therefore a 5/10 when looking at it from my point of view, is actually a below average game. On Metacritic, if this review were to be published as the main review (rather than user review), this would actually get a 50/100 implying a poor game. Just 10pts away from being in the red. If this was using a 1-5 scale, Metacritic would read that as 65-70/100, a average to slightly above average game. Yes, it makes a difference, maybe not on your site but for the rest of the world, it does. No amount of your staff downvoting me will change that.

  • chrisredfield31

    There are also a lot of people coming over from Neogaf. Can’t say that I would tell them to go back. They’ve made some pretty good posts, check the highest upvoted and downvoted. You can’t just bury your head in the sand and pretend it doesn’t exist. Besides, people like me are arguing for the support of the game and truth not against it.

  • chrisredfield31

    Go there, you’ll probably be addicted.

  • chrisredfield31

    okay so the staff put up the score breakdown. A 5 is an average. On IGN, a 7 to 7.5 is a slightly above average game. 6 to 6.5 is average. The difference in scores would be roughly be 1 to 1.5 points when the score is converted over. Either way, my estimates were accurate. (I actually DO believe the game is better than the reviewer thinks it is, reasoning for my 1 point higher) Congratulations on looking stupid.

  • chrisredfield31

    Completely incorrect. Objectivity in games can be like: This game features 1200 cars, 37 tracks, online community creation ability, improved online matchmaking, etc. Games are designed by people, and stuff that are designed in that game exist as a matter of fact. NOW. Where the subjectivity comes in, is what the reviewer THINKS about those things.

    For example, a reviewer would think about the 1200 cars, and then decide that he doesn’t like it because he would never use or obtain most of those cars. That still doesn’t change the fact that there are 1200 cars. When you’re scoring this racing game, you would take into account why that might be a detriment OR positive aspect of the game.

    You see, objectivity AND subjectivity has a place in game reviews. It’s just the nature of the beast. If you want to review a game based on subjectivity, then by all means, read this review by Erren and then go read the comments on the rest of the comments section. They don’t respect the review which is why they keep downvoting regardless of the fact that you’re staff and one is the reviewer. All I’m doing is bringing a high level, professional viewpoint to it.

  • Mr. RHC

    I need to see the movie!

  • Mr. RHC

    There is no reason to weigh every sentence with + and – of the review and then make a score.. There’s even a proper explanation for 5/10 games in the Policy. How about starting to DEAL.WITH.IT. instead?

  • John Sotomayor

    I didn’t downvote you and I don’t think the staff did either.

    You seem to understand that this site uses its own review system which has been explained in detail. If you get that, why are you still harping on about this?

    Our review system is not difficult to understand. A 5/10 on NC implies an average game, which is not a bad score. Would it be scored differently on IGN and other sites? Sure! Of course. No one’s denying that.

    And even if this score does imply a bad game on other sites….why is that a problem?
    Why should the scoring systems on other sites have any effect on the scoring system here?

    I still think, however, that 3/5 is pretty largely interchangeable with 5/10, because both scores fall in the exact middle, which is neither good nor bad. It’s the middle. But hey, that’s just me.

    I also think it’s possible that having a 50/100 or 5/10 coming across as “poor” is inaccurate in and of itself. I think very few games actually deserve the high scores that they get. Like I said before: for me personally (not necessarily for NC), a 6/10 is slightly above average, a 7/10 is a good game, an 8/10 is a great game, a 9/10 is a near-perfect game, and a 10/10 does not exist ever.

    Basically, I think your argument *had* some merit, but only before the article was edited to show a link to the explanation of NC’s review system. Once people understand how the scores work here, they really don’t get to complain just because they’re used to different systems. It’s all right there and it’s easy to understand.

    It was also easy to understand just, you know, by reading the article itself and using your own comprehension skills to figure out how Erren’s 5/10 relates to her opinions on the game.

  • John Sotomayor

    I didn’t downvote you and I don’t think the staff did either.

    You seem to understand that this site uses its own review system which has been explained in detail. If you get that, why are you still harping on about this?

    Our review system is not difficult to understand. A 5/10 on NC implies an average game, which is not a bad score. Would it be scored differently on IGN and other sites? Sure! Of course. No one’s denying that.

    And even if this score does imply a bad game on other sites….why is that a problem?
    Why should the scoring systems on other sites have any effect on the scoring system here?

    I still think, however, that 3/5 is pretty largely interchangeable with 5/10, because both scores fall in the exact middle, which is neither good nor bad. It’s the middle. But hey, that’s just me.

    I also think it’s possible that having a 50/100 or 5/10 coming across as “poor” is inaccurate in and of itself. I think very few games actually deserve the high scores that they get. Like I said before: for me personally (not necessarily for NC), a 6/10 is slightly above average, a 7/10 is a good game, an 8/10 is a great game, a 9/10 is a near-perfect game, and a 10/10 does not exist ever.

    Basically, I think your argument *had* some merit, but only before the article was edited to show a link to the explanation of NC’s review system. Once people understand how the scores work here, they really don’t get to complain just because they’re used to different systems. It’s all right there and it’s easy to understand.

    It was also easy to understand just, you know, by reading the article itself and using your own comprehension skills to figure out how Erren’s 5/10 relates to her opinions on the game.

  • John Sotomayor

    “For example, a reviewer would think about the 1200 cars, and then decide that he doesn’t like it because he would never use or obtain most of those cars.”

    Yes, the fact that the game has 1200 cars is an objective fact.

    But the reviewer *not liking* that is subjective. Someone else could just as easily like the fact that there are 1200 cars. Therefore, what starts off as an objective fact comes down to how the reviewer/gamer FEELS about that fact.

  • chrisredfield31

    I’m still harping about it because I continue to get emails showing people responding to me (specifically you) so there’s that. Most of my arguments from yesterday were BEFORE the score breakdown was posted. After it was posted however, you responded to my post and I injected my opinion on how reviews should be scored, of which we are still in disagreement.

    I do not believe in a review scale that has 1-10 points where 10 isn’t used at all. The problem comes from the fact that you think a 10 denotes perfect (as we all know doesn’t exist). Therefore why have a 10 pt scale at all when the 10th can never be used? Might as well be 1-9. It all stems from assigning 10 as the perfect product or experience. Instead of 10 being equivalent to perfect, what it should mean is that it has reached the highest standards (at the time) in all areas found in the game. The experience of the gamer being of the highest quality and the content in the game being of the highest quality. Games such as these, DO exist and ARE deserving of the maximum score. Similar to how there are movies out there that can and have gotten 5/5 stars.

    Differences in review systems/scores such as these are exactly why consumers are losing respect and faith in gaming reviews, not to mention the fact that many ‘journalists’ are losing integrity as well. Anybody and their mothers can write a gaming/movie/TV show review. Now which ones are the most respectable ones is a different story……….

  • FinalFantisiac

    I hadn’t bashed the review, so I don’t know who thumbed down my comment before. I’m just surpised, is all.

  • John Sotomayor

    Well. Sorry to keep sending you notification e-mails. You are totally entitled to your opinion of how reviews should be scored. We can agree to disagree. It’s really not that important.

    Congratulations, you convinced me of using 10/10 as long as it doesn’t mean perfect/flawless. I have always considered it that, and I never really thought about it differently, so thank you.

    I don’t think it’s the differences in systems/scores causing people to lose respect/faith in reviews, to be perfectly honest, at least in this particular case. In this particular case, I think it’s people already not liking Erren and her disdain towards the XIII series.

  • chrisredfield31

    Okay so you recognize that there are objectivity and subjectivity in gaming reviews. Therein lies the VALUE of a gaming review in itself. Readers want to learn more about the product. Therefore this is where the objectivity comes in. They want to know how the game plays, how the game is designed, etc. All of those are the “facts” of the game. Then, they want to know about what the reviewer thinks of the game, that’s the subjective part. A game review *COULD* be all subjective but it would not do the reader any good, it would only work to reassure the reader or entertain the reader. You can read many subjective reviews over on Gamefaq’s. Any GOOD review would better inform you about the product so that you know what the reviewer is talking about and then better understand their thoughts on the game.

    For example, “This game features 1000’s of sidequests which has you do this and that. It took me 100 hours to play through the sidequests and I thought that they had great mini stories with rewards, some good, some bad at the end of them.” You told the reader of an aspect of the game (sidequests), the amount that’s in there (1000+), those are the facts. The subjectivity part is where the reviewer thought it had good mini-stories and some good/bad rewards. The reader can immediately benefit from the objectivity part, and they can try to understand your viewpoint although they may or may not agree with it.

  • John Sotomayor

    I guess? I mean, I don’t read reviews for objective facts. I go to Wikipedia for that. I read reviews to get a gamer’s opinion. Of course, objective facts should also be included, but that’s not my main reason for reading them.

    “Okay so you recognize that there are objectivity and subjectivity in gaming reviews. Therein lies the VALUE of a gaming review in itself. Readers want to learn more about the product.”

    In my experience, and I think in this particular case…the readers here (well, most of them) already know all about Lightning Returns. No one here wants to learn more about it. People want to know what Erren thought of it.

    I should also add that I (personally) rarely if ever read reviews before buying games. I go based on trailers and pre-release information. If it looks like I’ll enjoy it, I go for it. I then read reviews later on to see what others thought of the game (their opinions) because I think it can be fun. I understand that not everyone reads reviews for this reason, but I think a lot of people do.

  • WatPotato

    I’m not sure the one who looks stupid here is me. You’re quite good at digging your own grave; moreover, using IGN’s review scale as a benchmark doesn’t make you look better. Using their last 50 RPG game scores (minus repeat scores for simultaneously released game ports, and DOTA2/Marvel Heroes which are categorized as RPG somehow), the score average is 7.436, yet only 16 out of those 50 scores are below 7.4, the median score being 8 (dividing the upper from the lower), and the mode being 9 (the score given the most). 17 out of 50 games rated between 8 to 8.9, compared to 16 games running from 2.5 to 7.3. Most of those 16 games are unknown PC rpgs that IGN most likely did not get gifts or advertising money for.

    There are two ways to interpret this data. One is that there are actually a lot of ‘great’ games, according to their review scale. But how can you judge if this is the ‘accurate’ interpretation without playing all those games and finding out the quality of those games for yourself? Oh right, because you BELIEVE the games are better, and therefore your BELIEF determines what the ‘correct’ review scores are, and you BELIEVE IGN has a fair and balanced review scale that is perfectly objective in execution.

    The other way to interpret the average/median/mode data is to consider the possibility that reviewers, professional and consumer alike, have the tendency to inflate scores, consciously or unconsciously. Their thoughts run over previous review scores and inadvertently compare, and as a result the review score comes from a mix of personal opinion, attempted objectivity, and other review relativity. That X game did A better than Y game and did B poorer than Z game, but both Y and Z received 8.6s so surely X is also an 8.6.

    I think people feel a 5 is harsh because they are accustomed to the parade of 7-10 courtesy grades sites give to games. Yet if you consider 5 rather than 7 as the normal, then most games would fall in the 5 section, and therefore 5 out of 10 isn’t a shit score, it is really the average score.

    Also, you cannot say your estimates ‘were accurate’ when western reviewers have yet to review the game. Do you have a TARDIS? Have you come back from the future where you found that your current estimates for review scores in February ‘were’ accurate? At best you can say your estimates of review scores will be accurate; but you cannot say your review scores will be accurate, because there is no such thing as accurate and correct review scores.

  • chrisredfield31

    “Of course, objective facts should also be included, but that’s not my main reason for reading them.”

    Of course. But there has to be some sort of context for readers to clue in on so they can understand it. One cannot assume that they already know all about LR. This comments section proved that (most people didn’t even know Erren scored 8/10 for FFXIII-2). Professional reviews are written the way they are because they have to take into account many factors which include casual people who has never seen or experienced a product of that series before (for example, DMC4 was new to a lot of Xbox 360 owners because DMC was previously a PS title). On a website like this, sure, you might be able to get away with catering to a main audience who already knows you but in the big-time publications, forget about it.

  • chrisredfield31

    I think one of your big talking points is about how there is a conspiracy in the games journalism world. I do not doubt that there is corruption (Polygon is a huge perpetrator) however I also believe that there is also integrity and where/how you find that integrity is really up to you.

    Your first paragraph focused on gathering up a QUANTITY of games and you averaged all that out, which is really not my point at all. One of my earlier posts commented on how Noctis’s “review” was structured better than the main review. He split up the different aspects of the game and scored each and averaged it out in the end. That’s closer to what I’m talking about (for a single game, not a quantity of games).

  • Leon Aether

    Don’t worry! That happens in every single article…

  • Leon Aether

    I don’t know where I should have shared this but here is the Sphere Hunter (X-2) outfit for Lightning
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76f1Fb75sis
    At 3.36… She has Tidus’ weapon equipped…

  • http://raitningz.tumblr.com/ Raitningz

    Actually, I don’t see what’s the problem with time management. It was exciting at first, which is a good thing. I never had issues with time, and a few players I know who can understand the game’s language fluently have no problems with time as well. In fact, we were sitting on too much time, too little content. Time constraint is hardly a negative factor.

  • Leon Aether

    I have read somewhere that the actuall main story is around 10-12 hours… That’s short…

  • http://raitningz.tumblr.com/ Raitningz

    You’re quite the fool if you believe anyone actually cares about what you put on your dA and FB regarding two internet randoms. I don’t really mean to nitpick on your language skills, but since you’re being such a jerk, here’s some advice from an undergraduate: Don’t boast about your education when you can’t even construct your sentences properly.

    Also, I think this game sucks in terms of content and I am not defending it. If you dislike the game, take a dump on the game, not the fans. Peace out.

  • Andrew Ip

    It’s just a review, it doesn’t represent what everyone will think about the game. Some will love it, some will hate it, some will enjoy parts of it. As for every single review out there, it’s all about how the reviewer experienced the game, what they thought about it, and what they thought was critical about it.

    A lot of you will love this game, especially those who loved the first two games in this trilogy. I’m looking forward to playing this game, but we’ll see how I feel about it after completing it.

  • http://raitningz.tumblr.com/ Raitningz

    Yep. I personally felt that if I took away all the filler like travelling, it would just be +/- 6 hours including combat and watching the cutscenes. Well, it’s an open world game after all, and most of your time should be on exploration and side quests. The thing is, side quests are mostly unremarkable, and the world is… mostly empty. There aren’t interesting events that happen around, many hidden enemies or good finds, unlike open world games usually have. You’ve also got to be a fan to appreciate most of the dialogue that goes on. I could go on and on, but in essence, this game isn’t bad at all, it’s just undercooked. Very.

  • Leon Aether

    I see. That “the world is mostly empty” is what I was a bit afraid of… Oh well. That really is disconcerting. I suppose SE wanted us to actually spend most of our time with Light, her styles, battling monsters, and exploring the world, rather than “read new XIII story pages” if you understand what I mean… Well I don’t mind that much. However doing unremarkable things all the time in a game doesn’t intrigue me much either. I guess I’ll have to wait till I grab the controller myself…
    Thanks for sharing your experience! Much appreciated! :)

  • http://raitningz.tumblr.com/ Raitningz

    Good find. If you were curious about what they were talking about, it was basically a hype-up about the game’s combat system and a strange emphasis on this being Lightning’s final chapter.

  • Adam Rahman

    Hi Left-minded domineering Somber/Soriyama ass licker!

    Try nitpicking my imaginative & creative works, you future-criminal-banker/broker-wannabe!

    Oh ‘The Potential of Dyslexia’; Know much about it? Nay.

    English grammar & spelling are fucked up like yourselves.

    Period.

    Man-made crap! Ain’t Made for Us!

    *Einstein, Da Vinci, Muhammed Ali, Spielberg agree*

  • http://raitningz.tumblr.com/ Raitningz

    I obtained a distinction in both Art and Literature in Cambridge for GCSE standards, sorry.

    Also, ‘left-minded’ and ‘right-minded’ is a myth. It was debunked by Neuroscientists at the University of Utah earlier this year.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130814190513.htm

    I don’t know why you quoted random people with nothing in common, and the first two are dead, so they can’t agree with you.

  • Storm2356

    I was never on the fence before, but now, to be perfectly honest, I’m more than a little bit scared that this is going to be another XIII-2 for me: fun for the first playthrough thanks to hype goggles, but not really worth playing too much afterwards.

  • Leon Aether

    Wow thank you! To be honest I’m glad it’s her final chapter… I’ll miss Lightning, but I think we should let her rest and enjoy her happy new life… Time to wake the prince!

  • vagrant_soul

    Do you plan on reviewing Drakengard 3 when its released this month?

  • WatPotato

    You speak as if you don’t have talking points of your own, but you were the one who started with the ‘incorrect and inaccurate’ review score nonsense, so why have you yet to defend what incorrect and inaccurate review scores are?

    There is no conspiracy in the games journalism world. But there are psychological factors that play into reviews, which is why you cannot ever say a game review is objective. Yes, you have to take a quantity of games and look at their review scores to get an overall picture of why the IGN scale isn’t 1-10 but actually 7-10, and the evidence is given through the lopsided amount of scores on the 7-10 end of the scale spectrum. That is why I did the math, to demonstrate to you how IGN’s review scale as you like to wield it is not their review scale in practice. How can you be in this with your so-called extensive experience and not understand how basic statistics work?

    I do think integrity exists. But I would say the review spectrum of 7-10 reflects that this integrity is often influenced by relativity to other game review scores and by maintaining publisher and advertising relations. At the basest point you have to acknowledge that those reviewers are given free game copies and are paid to generate hits.

    Funny that you should mention your praise for Noctis’s “I watched a couple of gameplay videos” game review. You must be that guy that really likes shopping lists, because everything is numerically quantified, and somehow if you make a list of everything and pull it down to the details, then the scoring must be as objective as it can get! Go and objectively evaluate The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli by pulling everything into a list of categories and sublists within the categories that denote the pluses and the cons! He wrote it for a certain audience to obtain a job, so in a sense The Prince is a consumer product. But is there any objectivity in drawing up a “Writing Style” category and putting under it ‘poor pacing’, ‘confusing sentence structure’ and therefore the “Writing Style” merits a 2 out of 10 and WHOA, OBJECTIVITY?

    No. There are multiple ways to analyze and review a creative work. There is no correct or accurate way, structure, method, or opinion to analyze and review a creative work.

  • Jesus Christ

    I give this game 10/10 = A+. Case closed and amen both at the same time.

    Now, bite me and I’ll smite you….OR I’ll sing another Frozen song. *Cheshire cat grin*

  • Budgiecat

    5 is average. 7 .5 is above average. This is not an above average game if you actually read the review

  • Budgiecat

    The mythos is sound but the story execution, script and direction is awful with the first game having half the story locked in datalog with whiny Anime trope characters and super cheesy melodrama and the sequels feeling something like bad fan fiction and this game making the first two game’s stories seem irrelevant.

    Nevermind Toriyama stole a lot of Shin Megami Tensei Digital Devil Saga plot points and characterizations as well…

  • Budgiecat

    Its not that they dont understand it. It’s easy to understand. It’s that is sucks. It’s told awfully. If you have to read an outside novel to get part of the story as well as routinely check datalogs, then the story execution in game is therefore done horribly.

  • Budgiecat

    Why should it not count? The developers specifically stated you should play it on easy first. Why would they say that if it’s a worthless option?

  • Budgiecat

    Japanese gamers were already complaining this game was too hard even on easy

  • Budgiecat

    Honestly, if you’re one of these bitter fangirls spewing at the mouth because of this review, you should not care anyway. You know you’re getting the game anyway. What’s the matter? Can’t handle someone else’s opinion? Or do you think this review will kill the sales potential of the game that you somehow have corporate stock shares in? ffs

  • Budgiecat

    Then price it at $30 since we’re then getting half an effort

  • Lowe De Leon

    I’ve been following this review since yesterday and on different times-while the uproar is ongoing, the policy artwork of “5” updated, and the policies now in place. I think what confused people was how the game was graded specifically and how the review was released without any clear scale. In honesty, I also disagreed with the review, but hey…it doesn’t deter me from buying the game. There are some aspects that are important for the editor, and so does us and it will never be the same for everybody. I read more of what this site is about, and while I am certainly appreciative of the site, staff, and community following- I have come to ask: So is this site made for news about the series and games we love? or is it a site that will provide staff insight of games. If it is both, then staff should try to avoid showing bias. If the staff is going for the first option only, then there should never be any bias at all.

    I have come to notice Erren’s disdain for the XIII trilogy ever since. It could easily work if none of us had that idea in the beginning.

    I could be downvoted, could be hated or whatsoever. But hey, just as what I gave on the first option, I love the idea of getting news about the Final Fantasy series in such a beautiful site like this. Call it blind faith or anything, but with bad reviews…I will be there to see it all.

  • Erren Van Duine

    While it is true I ended up disappointed in the XIII series as a whole compared to the rest of the franchise, by no means do we post biased content on this site. If you read our news, previews, interviews and even reviews we try our best to tell the facts as they are. Reviews are meant to be an expression of ones experience with a game and that is exactly what I have posted here. I went into the game wanting to play it and I even wanted to complete it, but to call me biased because you don’t agree with the review is frankly insulting when I went to the effort of laying out both pros and cons with details explanations as to why I felt that way. You may not agree, and I’m not asking you to, but accusing other people of “hate” or bias is just uncalled for. I am here to share my love of the Final Fantasy series with the fans – that is why this site exists. Sometimes we must be critical of the things we love and future happenings in the series will be no exception. Note I am not directing this at you but after yesterday the straw has finally broken the camel’s back.

  • Zerox20

    Same here, I look forward to playing it as well and I am sure I will play it and maybe even Enjoy it. =)

  • Lowe De Leon

    First, I am to apologize with how my post might have hurt you. Yes, I am to agree that there were no news or content that was posted with any bias. I based that remark from your previous comments on previous news post and how not just me, but there are some who seem to perceive it the same way. Just look at the comments below, and I can certainly assure you that I am not alone in such perception. I certainly did not call you biased just because I disagree with your review, but I did then again based from my perception by your previous comments. As for reviews, just as the same, I certainly agree, and exactly as you’ve posted…the backlash is something people should expect but then again, initially. I believe it is rather the manner, but not the content that it is criticized for. You are very well entitled to your own opinions, so does we. Having to make a site that opens itself to various people who have different tastes, this is rather expected. Then again, it really is all out of love and being critical as you’ve said seems to show love for the series we all really care for.

    Then again, I am just an avid fan that has always loved the series for 25 years. We do not need to compare how MUCH we do…we just DO. I apologize formally to you as I have obviously hurt your feelings, but then again…with a site that is open to various perceptions…feelings can really be hurt due to varying insights and then again…perceptions.

  • Erren Van Duine

    It’s okay, I probably should have posted that as a standalone reply. Sometimes it’s just really frustrating when you pour a lot of work into something and people dismiss you because of your opinions or opinions said or posted in other places. So please don’t feel like you need to apologize because your responses are still constructive and non-abrasive and I appreciate that.

  • heero2001

    To be honest, I am not sure why you guys do reviews anyway. It’s a lose-lose situation. If you post a good score, people are going to think it’s biased anyway since this is a dedicated Final Fantasy site. If you post a bad score you get this.

    Another thing I hope you guys will consider is who your audiences are. People who come to a dedicated Final Fantasy site has already made up their mind. There is Metacritic/Youtube for people who are on the fence. These last couple of months, every article of Lightning Returns always gets a lot of comments and because of Lightning Returns I visit this site multiple times on a daily basis. People come here and click on the articles because they like the game, so to see such a bad review for the game that is literally the reason for your site’s traffic (at least for this period) feels like a slap in the face. I am truly sorry the game was such a disappointment for you and I feel bad for some of the rude comments directed at you but please try to see things from your audiences’ perspective. You are not talking to the general gaming population. This is a very self-selected group of people.

    I can understand perhaps reviews generate so much more interests than regular news articles that you need to have them in order to drive traffic but at least get rid of the score. Even without the score, nobody is going to read your review and mistakenly think you loved the game. But without a definitive score, you give people a chance to rationalize however they want.

  • Lowe De Leon

    Well I really do not want to hurt any feelings. You guys are doing great with this site! I sincerely support it even if we are disagreeing with things. Trust me, we might all disagree with each other…but I won’t go to another site for news (*coughs, IGN, Gamefaqs). And yes, I am actually very appreciative of your work Miss Erren, so as the efforts of Ehren, John, and the rest. You do bring life to the community and I hope this doesn’t deter you from moving forward.

    P.S. It really does look weird when a simple game that started 25 years ago, can create such disagreements…how such games can touch human emotions so strong. ^_^ Then again, thank you Erren.

  • Erren Van Duine

    That’s just it though – a lot of people outside of the site do actually read my reviews. That is why I continue to write them. A lot of the times we even receive review copies from Square Enix so they want to read our perspectives as well. This review was not done for traffic, it was done because I wanted to write the review. I want to start expanding content on the site and things like reviews, editorials, and opinion pieces are going to be apart of it and sometimes there may be things there you may not like. News is all well and good but news is just news – it comes and goes and people who like certain games will of course comment in those articles because they are already set on buying the game. I guess what I’m saying then is this review is not for the people already dead set on the game and though you may think a self-selected group of people visits this site monthly, the stats I have on the back-end paint a very different picture. Just because they don’t comment doesn’t mean they aren’t there. Reviews are not meant to cater to any specific audience – but maybe you’re right, maybe we should ditch numbered scoring. We’ve added a review guide that explains our scores in the meantime but it’s up to people to read the review for themselves anyway.

  • Guest

    ohhh its ok , its happens :)

  • Sǯdi Sǻymeh

    oh its ok , it happens :)

  • heero2001

    I am curious why you feel that XIII-2 is only good for one play through? Personally, I thought the game offers a lot of replayability since you have some choices in the order in which you go next. The monster recruitment also allows for so much experimentation. I bought the official guide for this game but I didn’t even use it for my first play through other than for some mechanics info. I made a lot of mistakes the first play through like not understanding the crystarium stats boost therefore ended up with non-optimized stats for Serah and Noel and the monster system kind of overwhelmed me that I didn’t use it too much. But all these gave me a reason to get everything right on the next play through and it feels so much better than following a guide like a instruction manual because I learned to play the game through mistakes. I think the game probably has more to offer you if you are willing to look.

  • Zerox20

    While I agree with some of these comments, keep in mind when we originally made this site it was never intended to be a “Fansite” so to speak. We always planned to make it a News Site focusing on Square-Enix. We worked hard to ensure a professional layout, staff etc. Their is a distinct difference in my opinion between a Fansite and a News Site. We try our best to look at everything objectively when we report news. When we do opinion pieces we also make sure to state that as well. I think that maybe this is where some of the disconnect lies when reading the site. The site has grown a lot in the last year and some of these are growing pains as well as we look to take on more staff, branch out into more things like Twitch streaming, editorials, reviews, previews etc. Down the road we may even offer more coverage of things like Eidos and some of the Western Games from Square. Just another point on the site growth, when we first started it was a lot of passionate Final Fantasy fans, now we have a lot of both worlds. I know we have some commentators when we post things like classic Final Fantasy games being re-released who never even played those originals and don’t carry that long time love and passion for Square-Enix so its very important for us and everybody involved to try to bring them in as objectively as possible.

  • Lowe De Leon

    I think this was the same reason why I asked my question 2 hours ago. I guess it could be said that it is the “growing pains.” I personally think that opening it for the majority is a good option, not just to specific fans or avid-followers, but the gaming community in general. Looks like we nailed where the disconnect is. ^_^ Then again, I certainly support where you guys are going. The processes might be hard, but nonetheless it is made out of what you said…”love and passion.”

    Thank you for sharing clarity. Its nice to actually look at how this site is created and where its headed to. Support on the way. ^_^

  • iLoveLightning

    Then they have no right to accuse the story of being s*&^ etc. if they haven’t seen it to the end IMO.

  • Storm2356

    Well, for the most part, with very few exceptions, I consider a first playthrough a 100% run. I’ve achieved everything I can in the game with the exception of getting all of the monster crystals, because believe me, I have better things to do (not that much better, mind you) than spend hours grinding for things like a Don Tonberry when I already have better ones. I don’t have all of the DLC, though, and I just don’t have the patience to beat Gilgamesh (buying him was a mistake!). I actually did play it a second time, and I’ve replayed story moments with Gate Seals countless times, but I don’t think I could sit down and play it more than one last time.

  • potatoes

    I don’t think you read nor understood my comment. An explanation of the scale does not shed further light on how the game came to receive that score. Whether I agree or disagree with LR’s review score is irrelevant. I simply don’t believe she did a great job justifying the score in her review. My issue is with the muddiness concerning how certain elements of the games are weighted in the reviews she did for the entire XIII series. I suggest you read my comment again before spouting belligerent nonsense.

  • potatoes

    You heard it here first folks. 10/10 game! THE LAWD HAS SPOKEN!

  • heero2001

    Oh, I know you get people of all sorts coming here. I got here just by clicking on some link on a youtube video and decided to stay. I wasn’t even looking for a site like this. However, it’s not just a issue of who comes here but who sticks around. When Square Enix release their next big FFXV trailer at E3, you guys are going to get a lot of people who may never have played any Final Fantasy games here to see what all the fuss is about, but for the vast majority of these non-fans, that’s going to be their only visit until the next big thing hits. You don’t build a community with these people.

    The situation is kind of similar with Square Enix and FFXIII. It’s clearly a minority of passionate fans actively bashing the game. Even if Square Enix ignore them the sales probably won’t change too much. To hit Call of Duty numbers, a game’s got to have wide appeal way beyond the fan base anyway. Should Square Enix cater to them or is a sale, a sale, regardless if it’s that person’s first or tenth Final Fantasy game? I think Square Enix much like other companies have decided on the latter. That’s way you have many long time fans disappointed in Square Enix because they feel ignored.

    Back to the issue at hand. Even if this review is written for people outside of hardcore fans, you have to have seen this coming. I don’t have access to your data so I don’t know what’s the percentage these hardcore FF fans make up of your traffic but I bet it’s a lot higher percentage than a general site like IGN. I think these people deserve some sort of consideration in the future when you know you are going to do something that’s going to upset them. In the case of this review, maybe change the format, take away the score, or something…anything. Heck, I would’ve appreciated it if the header read “not for people who already made up their mind.” This way people wouldn’t have click on the link expecting a great review based on a game they have been anticipating for months only to be disappointed. On top of that (even if it’s true), it’s not nice to hear to expect future reviews to be the same because there are way more people than just FF fans visiting here, in spite of all the comments here voicing their displeasure.

    You have already explained to me the reason/motivation for the review and I have seen other staff’s post on their vision for the site. Clearly, you guys have big plans for the site and nothing you guys do will make everyone happy. That’s life. At the end of the day, we are all grown up and we will get over it. But I hope you take this whole issue into consideration for the future. I think there are solutions beyond either giving every game a 10 or ignore all the negative comments. Good luck with the site.

  • heero2001

    Oh, how many games, especially JRPGs, do you usually play again right after 100% it? I typically wait at least a year, usually several years to replay a game. Even Chrono Trigger, one of my favorite of all time, I have only play it like 3 times because I want to feel as close to playing it for the first time as possible.

  • Jean Paiva

    It was a good review, you write very well. I don’t agree with you in some points, but still you did a great job. Don’t feel bad about your post, that was your opinion and you deserve respect. I’m a die hard fan of FFXIII like a lot of people here, and I was scared, so much hate…. People are taking internet too seriously. *Sorry for the bad english*

  • LightZero

    Your post sounds like something I would read on gamefaqs. I also don’t see any similarities with DDS. Even then DDS share similarities with SO3 so it’s far from original. No game really is.

  • LightZero

    I highly agree with your post. Honestly I keep looking back and comparing the FFXIII games with the past titles. I really don’t see what so horrible about the story. A few FF story I like better and there plenty of FF story I found worst than FFXIII saga. In fact, the 2D FF weren’t really all that. They were good games for its time but they didn’t really age well IMO. It wasn’t until the PS1 era I felt the story truly age really well. Ultimately I do think it’s the whole accessibility to the internet. It allows people to act out any sort of way and over exaggerate things.

  • LightZero

    I say some people are just blinded by nostalgia. I replayed a few FF and they had their issues as well. It doesn’t stop them from being enjoyable.

  • Storm2356

    It depends on the game. For JRPGs, I’ve got XIII-2, Birth by Sleep, Crisis Core, and Dissidia 012 (though I only count Dissidia because of the numerous RPG elements). I’ve only gotten 100% on XIII-2, though I’m not far off in BBS (which I’d play all day every day if I had the time). Though, as to the original question, I don’t really play any games right after I’ve gotten 100% on them, mostly because I haven’t done it with many, as most games I have more content than I have time. The only game I have 100% on that I’ll replay almost immediately is inFAMOUS 2 because I love that game to death.

  • miss chel

    An explanation that was written up or at least put up only right after people pointed out the discrepancies of this particular review. Perhaps if the review scale is something that has been already up and explained to be used for previous games it wouldn’t be such a problem for some people, but as potatoes said the justification of that score is seemingly questionable taking into consideration the way she has reviewed the other XIII games.

  • Renge

    Finally, a good slap in the face for FF. I read some articles about what should be done if you want to fix FF series and some people said that the first step is to fire Kitase and Toriyama. They said it’s all because Kitase has too much power on SE and and his full support on Toriyama direction of the game, and because Kitase is not in a good relationship with Ito. Apparently Kitase is fond of Toriyama’s way of storytelling.

  • bhun

    I agree that difficulty is a good thing (one of my biggest problem with XIII-2 was that it was so easy) but I just said that it’s not really a bad thing that Erren played it on easy, just understandable. Even the easy mode is a lot of challenge in this case, and especially if someone just wants to get through the game without spending 5+ minutes in every random battle, easy mode is enough challenge for them. Most of the monsters in this game are ridiculously strong at the start of the game, when you still don’t have proper gear, so even those players who play it on easy will have to face many hard battles. This easy mode is not easy at all.
    Anyways, you should also remember that not everyone even likes too much challenge. You might find it as part of the core experience, but for some people, it might just be a hindrance. Some people play games for the gameplay, some play for the story, and both of them are just as good reasons to play. Everyone has their own reasons and that is ok 😀

  • chrisredfield31

    That’s fine and all, but for purposes of reviewing the game, they need to know what it’s like at all levels so they can make an informed decision.

  • Storm

    impressions, not the full review.

    > http://kotaku.com/lightning-returns-isnt-revolutionary-but-it-is-a-lot-1477723946/@richard-eisenbeis

    “I really enjoyed my time with Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII. While not a perfect game, it is definitely one that is just fun to play. Its open world and myriad of quests will likely appeal to those who felt slighted by FFXIII’s previous linear design; and the battle system will no doubt make those who like their fights fast-paced and action-packed more than a bit happy.”

  • http://www.facetimepolice.com/ ultromega

    Ooh, that’s a good read. They touched upon some of the game’s intricacies and even gave some good gameplay advice. :)

  • iLoveLightning

    Kewl.

  • XYFEIR

    Coming from kotaku, that’s actually surprising to hear, but good nonetheless. c:

  • XYFEIR

    If it makes you feel any better, I felt the similar about XIII-2. But they made it so that a lot of things are unlocked during the second play through. I’m finding this game to be much more fun than XIII-2. I think it has much more re-playibility than the previous two. But that’s me personally.

  • Yu

    Thanks for your (slightly edited and refined) honesty, Erren. Will you be writing an import review for X|X-2 HD?

  • apdyckman

    Thank you for the review, Erren! To be honest, this exactly what I was expecting from the game: excellent battle system and music, yet crappy story. I had spoiled the story and the ending for myself by watching pretty much all the playthroughs on Youtube and by reading as much translations & info that I could find(it’s a quirky habit of mine to make waiting for a game easier). I must say that I was very disappointed by how it played out for a myriad of reasons. Anyway, I’ve always loved crazy, unusual stories( I’m a Kindom Hearts fan btw), but this one was just too much for me.

  • Erren Van Duine

    Yep! I have my copy already ordered and am looking forward to streaming it too. :)

  • Yu

    Awesome, thanks! I haven’t played either before, so your consideration will be really helpful.

  • Storm

    no way this story is crazier than KH imo.

  • Caius Ballad
  • Jean Paiva

    Yea, hahahaha

  • apdyckman

    I meant that I really like unusual stories,but this kind is not the type that I like. I’m speaking specifically about the end. To be honest, I really didn’t care much for XIII-2’s story either because I felt that it created problems just to create problems(I loved XIII-2 anyway). Nevertheless, if it was compared to LR’s story, I’d say that I liked XIII-2’s a lot more. That is unfortunate because I spent a lot of time coming up with theories about the game’s story for myself only to find that It felt very sparse in story .Anyway, I’m sure the game is fun, but I usually play these games for story as much as I play for gameplay. As a result, I’m disappointed.

  • Ehren Rivers

    Please do not link to Square Portal or any of their external accounts.

  • Jean Paiva

    Are They like enemies of Cocoon? XD

  • Ehren Rivers

    No, we simply do not have a good relationship that website. We’re not asking you not to mention them or not to visit it, just do not post links to their material.

  • Jean Paiva

    Okay. 😀

  • Somber

    This happens when you are not in love with characters.

  • apdyckman

    No, this is what happens when they throw the characters and the world that you love into a story that takes place 500 years later… and they kick most of the characters to the side and shine the spotlight on the one who is the most difficult to relate to(who now happens to pretty much be a messiah). It is because I like the characters that I’m unhappy… I would not be disappointed if I didn’t care for the series’ story.

  • Somber

    Yep. I also feel that but I’m not very extreme with their decisions.

  • Storm

    well, personally I’m liking XIII-3’s story more than XIII-2.

  • apdyckman

    Neither am I, but unfortunately, I just don’t like the story for LR:FFXIII much. That’s really just my opinion. I’m not trying to belittle anyone who likes the story, and I’m not intending to change anyone… I’m just stating what I feel.

  • iLoveLightning

    I now believe in Jesus.

  • TO

    Sheesh, why all the down-votes?

  • Yu

    I don’t quite understand it myself, TO. Still looking forward to X|X-2 HD nevertheless!

  • http://www.facetimepolice.com/ ultromega

    I just finished my first play through this weekend…

    If you’re a fan of the first 2 games and you’ve grown attached to the characters, you will love this game. The CG ending is gorgeous, and while not spoiling anything, like I said, if you’ve grown attached to these characters, you’re going to especially love that entire sequence.

    It’s been one hell of a journey, and I had a lump in my throat when I completed it. I’m currently on my 2nd play through.

    I don’t care if every single person in the world hated these games. I love these characters, I love the music, I love the worlds, and the mythology that was given to us over the course of the trilogy. I love this series.

    Now, bring on those down votes! :)

  • Ehren Rivers

    I would appreciate if you would contact me via the Mognet site. I’ve been trying to get in touch with as many import players as possible.

  • Storm

    I watched the whole ending today and I cried. The story itself wasn’t one of the best points of the trilogy, but I love the characters. >_>

  • iLoveLightning

    Lol omg there’s no hope for me then. I’ll probably sob for like 10 days straight…

  • XYFEIR

    I’m still crying. I beat it too. Dat epilogue ;A;
    And now for hard mode! >:D (I don’t think my anus is prepared though)

  • Yu

    I quite enjoyed the battle system (or how much of it that the demo offered), but I can’t bear to sit through hours to finish LR, let alone play for the Platinum trophy. I say this as someone who thoroughly enjoyed XIII-2 and plan to replay that game to 100% completion (excluding the cursed DLC).

  • iLoveLightning

    Lol, I just listened to the epilogue track (haven’t seen it yet) and I almost couldn’t breathe so idk what Ii’m gonna do when I acc watch it… >_>

  • Storm

    the epilogue wasnt anything special imo, but the ending… >_>

  • XYFEIR

    I hope you have flood insurance on your house :p your home will be filled with tears. XD

  • XYFEIR

    Really? The epilogue made me poop. I didn’t expect it! But yeah the ending though. <3

  • Kamille

    KH’s story might be convoluted but is not as retarded.

  • Kamille

    “Kitase has too much power on SE and and his full support’s on Toriyama”

    Truer words has never been spoken.

  • Kamille

    development was moved from a console to 2 new ones. That’s a lots of code and assets that will need to be revamped.

  • iLoveLightning

    More like flood insurance for Europe… >_>

  • Stephen Mc Devitt

    I knew it. The way developers went on about this game, it was obvious they prioritised in making Lightning cool over bringing any satisfying conclusion. Motomu Toriyama: A man who will go as far as to betray those who DID like Final Fantasy XIII.

  • Stephen Mc Devitt

    I fear of Toriyama still getting big roles in making games. If he directs FFXVI or whatever, expect the game to suck. If the man was to direct a remake of FFVII, could he actually ruin the whole story or just keep it faithful?

  • Stephen Mc Devitt

    If anyone sees the man next time, throw a pie at him. That’s my most humane idea of saying to the man that he sucks. He’s almost like Jim’s character in The Truman Show.

  • Elleiza Nox

    this !! They can make 80 costumable outfits for lightning and cant even make proper ending each for the characters , leave it to imagination ?? =_= up to the very end it still lightning up shoved in our throats lol .

  • Stephen Mc Devitt

    What worse is that Lighting actually did had a personality in the original XIII.

  • Dark

    They’re actually base on 12 garbs. Just recoloring and mixing up parts make them distinct. Each characters have their own endings in the in-game story. Every scenes can melt hearts (Esp. Sazh and Lumina). That epilogue was added for Lightning fans. It’s just for proving that they were reborn in another world. THAT SCENE IS OPTIONAL. It COULD never be added.

    Oh god. One scene was added and some people aggressively whined. Developers knew that will definitely happen. :/

  • Dark

    I never like insulting others but you seems like overacting. I doubt that you REALLY liked Final Fantasy XIII.

    REAL fans don’t feel like betrayed.

  • Stephen Mc Devitt

    But I do like Final Fantasy XIII. XIII-2 and Lightning Returns obviously forgot what exactly happened in that game and Toriyama makes making new crap up so Lightning fighting doesn’t end.

  • Somber

    No. Lightning Saga is very lengthy. So, they cut it into 3 games. XIII-2 and Lightning Returns just followed the path that XIII made. In XIII, fal’Cies wanted to bring their grandfather ‘Bhunivelze’. They planned to destroy the world by sacrificing many lives. But Etro prevented that event. Etro’s prevention cut Yeul’s lifespan so Caius begun his journey for apocalypse. He succeeded and Etro died. That caused him Bhunivelze to rise. LR is the story where XIII’s intended plans meets fruition. The game is very complicated than just Lightning alone.

  • Stephen Mc Devitt

    Well LR’s ending is sure an absolute insult. Why did their world need to be destroyed? There’s not even an epilogue, it’s just Lightning coming out of a train in high hells and smiling. That’s not what I wanted. I wanted an actual epilogue with the characters talking to each other and tie up loose ends.

    I hope XV doesn’t take a similar route as this so-called Lightning Saga.

  • Somber

    I don’t think it is an absolute insult. The ending is 10-min long and yours’ Lightning coming out of a train is really an epilogue. Loose ends? I struggle to think about them. What are they? I’m not very knowledgeable of the series but I think I can explain som. :)

    I think you are expecting the game to be exactly what you imagined. Why not just see the story as it was told from the creators.

  • Stephen Mc Devitt

    Because the creator (Motomu Toriyama) is a selfish man who wanted most of the stupids outfits just for his taste.

    If we don’t get to learn the fate of everyone in the end of Lightning Returns, then it’s not epilogue. Where’s Sazh? Where’s Fang? Where’s Noel? Nobody is devastated that their home, their world, was destroyed? This is like when Cocoon became useless when the Cocoon fal’Cie all died. No riots? No suicides? You need consequences because Lightning basically destroyed the world at her own hands and should be held responsible for that.

  • Somber

    I do not like Toriyama but outfit things were created by team which include both men and women. Lightning atoned her sins by becoming Etro’s Champion and she realized that might be her punishment. Cocoon was already a sacrificial alter. Their world was fated to be doomed. If Lightning didn’t do something, someone would do the job. Yes. In LR, there were many people who want to kill Lightning because of her doings. But everyone survived the apocalypse (because of Lightning) and their souls were transfered to the new world (Earth). THEY REBORN IN NEW WORLD. Lightning alone can prove that everyone is alive. That’s just a great ending. We do not need a cutscene where everyone was shown.

  • Stephen Mc Devitt

    Lightning was better off as an officer of the law/super soldier. She had no need for godly powers.

    I hope one day Final Fantasy XIII will get the same treatment as XIV and be redone up to be much better as well as the story being self-contained, the characters made much smarter and the battle system would actually involve environment hazards with unique camera shots just like in the E3 2006 trailer.

  • Somber

    XIV was crap so it had to be remade. XIII don’t need like that, IMO.
    :nothing to say: It’s yours. I enjoy games, not just judging. So, I don’t have problems and happy with games.

  • FinalFantisiac

    Well, I did quite enjoy this series, so I won’t hesitate to sink these teeth into LR when it comes out.

    And jeez, this ending must be something, based on what I’ve heard so far…

  • http://www.facetimepolice.com/ ultromega

    (No spoilers here)

    It was a gorgeously animated CG cutscene… The best looking in the trilogy, in my opinion. LR’s ending provided closure for me, but I’m just going by the action on-screen. I’ll have to wait for the English version to understand the dialogue, but I doubt that it would make me revile the ending. Sheesh.

    Seriously though, it’s an amazing looking cutscene. And that epilogue was a perfect bookend to the Lightning saga. I’d like to detail as to why, but that would contain slight spoilers. :) The ending, like the rest of the game, feels like a huge “thank you” for fans that have been there since the beginning.

  • FinalFantisiac

    Thanks for not spoiling, I appreciate it!

    So there’s an ‘epilogue’ and an ‘ending’…

  • Wazi the pa

    Nah, not that far please.

  • Wazi the pa

    Nah, not that far please.

  • Pekola

    Let’s be real tho.

    Kingdom Hearts is basically a mish mash of matryoshka and hearts and Disney and light and darkness with a Final Fantansy wrapping. And it spans 6 whole games. Kingdom Hearts has time travel, mystical heart science being made up as it goes and lots of light and darkness spiel.

    I love it, but let’s be real. There’s no way XIII or it’s sequels are at the same level of convolution or zaniness that Kingdom Hearts is. KH3D itself brought along lots of new stipends and Oprah-like Keyblade awarding so pls.

  • Pekola

    Let’s be real tho.

    Kingdom Hearts is basically a mish mash of matryoshka and hearts and Disney and light and darkness with a Final Fantansy wrapping. And it spans 6 whole games. Kingdom Hearts has time travel, mystical heart science being made up as it goes and lots of light and darkness spiel.

    I love it, but let’s be real. There’s no way XIII or it’s sequels are at the same level of convolution or zaniness that Kingdom Hearts is. KH3D itself brought along lots of new stipends and Oprah-like Keyblade awarding so pls.

  • Pekola

    There’s people downvoting for no reason. If you see 1-2 downvotes on your post, it was a troll usually.

  • Pekola

    Why though? The only major problem I could see is if this site’s ideologies went against theirs. Or if they were antagonistic towards Nova Crystallis and its members.

    In which case, I totally understand.

  • http://www.facetimepolice.com/ ultromega

    Oops, sorry, I missed this comment because I usually only check this site on my phone, which apparently doesn’t show new reply notifications anymore. Are you still looking for import players? I’ve been playing LR daily and I’m currently on my 3rd playthrough. :)

  • Ehren Rivers
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  • Ehren Rivers

    The latter would happen to be the case, although it’s not really a situation I think should be dragged into the open air. The owner of that site has burned a lot of bridges, and has burnt our particular bridge several times over.

  • Neutron15

    is the reviewer “KAGARI”, if so then it is to be expected that the review will be bad

  • Somber

    yep. lol.

  • Erren Van Duine

    Oh please. Don’t start that crap here again.

  • Storm

    “Why did their world need to be destroyed?”

    you really didnt paid attention to the story, did you? even interviews available before the release awsered this. =/

  • http://www.facetimepolice.com/ ultromega

    You should be considerate and post spoiler warnings for people who haven’t seen the ending and epilogue.

    The only “absolute insult” is how unappreciative some people can be. They gave us one hell of an ending cinematic. It was pretty much a mini-movie compared to every other CG cutscene in the trilogy. And the epilogue has significance. They can’t spell everything out for you. The entire game is packed with winks and nods to the fans who have been there since the beginning, and the epilogue is one of those moments.

  • Neutron15

    oh, whats the matter, did I hurt your feelings ??? lol

  • Mr. RHC

    No, only your ignorance was pointed out.

  • XYFEIR

    I guess her constant smiling, sarcasm, concern for Snow, etc. in the new game doesn’t count?

  • dante67

    You mean to tell us that because YOU think that the subquests are boring,that they have a “questionable pacing”(Crisis Core must have been one of the worst FF ever,then),that your imported version of the game was half-fake and that it has a “nonsensical story(I would like to understand why,or maybe I’m not that interested in your opinion)”,it is unremarkable and deserves a 5 out of 10?And you think that just because you obtained the platium trophy of XIII-2 your opinion should be considered serious?I know reviewers much more serious than you and I can say,without doubt,that you are not suited as reviewer and less people should listen to you.

  • SiliconNooB

    To knock the game down 5 points for story is absolutely absurd.”

    Nonsense, when a story imposes itself so heavily on a game, then it is only proper that it be weighted accordingly. Moreover, if you read the text of the review fully, then you would know that in spite of a decent battle system, the reviewer found the missions to be quite banal.

  • SiliconNooB

    No one plays a game wanting it to be bad. You should try and modulate your temper. :)

  • SiliconNooB

    Yea, until FFX-3… *shudders*

  • SiliconNooB

    Your friend is correct.

  • SiliconNooB

    Your friend is only trying to help.

  • SiliconNooB

    Biased in what sense? In the sense that she doesn’t like mediocre games?

  • FFFan

    Another great import review http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2014/01/09/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-review-ps3-import/

    My favourite part: “Reports that Lightning was the only party member are false, as she’s followed by two constant companions named Jagged Edge and Graphic Pop-in.” LOL

  • http://www.facetimepolice.com/ ultromega

    Then it’s obvious where that person stands. It doesn’t matter that they started off the review saying that they were a fan of the first two games blah blah blah…

    Real fans don’t take jabs like that.

  • Saphiren

    Amazing review.

  • Storm

    That reminds me of the laughable Destructoid’s XIII review.

  • XYFEIR

    That review also said she didn’t have any character development. Which is a load of house shit. If you pay the slightest attention in the game you’ll notice she’s become a warmer character

  • XYFEIR

    It’s funny that when each sequel came out the reviews always started with “I liked/admired/[insert other word here] the previous installment…” Meanwhile, when you go back and read the previous reviews they stated they hated/didn’t like anything about it.

    The whole purpose of starting off their reviews like that is to try to convince people that they cared/supported the other games when in reality they didn’t. It’s so their reviews won’t be called biased from the people who actually enjoy it.

  • http://www.facetimepolice.com/ ultromega

    Exactly! :)

  • Ryumoau

    This game seems like a rental at best for me. I have it on my gamefly queue and i don’t imagine buying it considering the meh reviews i’ve been seeing for the imported version of the game. Playstation Lifestyle even gave it a 4/10.

  • OcarinaPlayerOfTime

    Really?! Is it THAT bad?! I mean, I’m not going against the review since I don’t have a preference to the entire game, but is it SOOO bad that it deserves a 5?! I mean, Final Fantasy XIII-2 was awful, terrible outdated combat system, weird story, terrible dialouge, 1D characters, and stupid confusing time traveling. So if the game is even worse then what is XIII-2 then I pray that Square Enix can make up for it again with XV and Kingdom Hearts 3

  • Caliburn

    The score does not matter in any way… I don’t think scores is a good idea in any form in any media, it being movies, books, games or whatever. Shit is to subjective. I liked XIII-2 for instance, but I see you didn’t. You can’t really compress a personal opinion to a number.

  • AltruXeno

    Me either! I’m not buying it either way. Glad to be done with XIII series. On to bigger, and God willing, better things. I fell for this trick twice already and refuse to do so again.

  • Gmoyajp

    This is not News Since FFXIII was already bad score XII-2 and this one same so noting to say and i didn’t like the story. FFXV hope it keep’s it real like rest of Hironabu Sakaguchi FFs.

  • Gmoyajp

    you answer your comment. Personal Opinion and that’s theres. Enuff said

  • Caliburn

    Excuse me? I didn’t understand you…

  • Caliburn

    Stop with the “Real fans” shit ok? ok.

  • Tristan Benson

    its not bad in fact I have played it for a month now its hard the first time through and second unless u have the guidebook I don’t yet I have over 64 hours logged on that game already I don’t thank its bad but it might need a new game to go along with this one if u watched the alternet ending u will know what I mean. so I don’t thank its bad at all don’t know about u

  • Tristan Benson

    its because most of those people are beginners so they thank they can just start with this one but they figure out they cant

  • Felipe Medeiros

    Bullshit, this game is great! =D Already finish it many times.