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Hajime Tabata explains the reason behind main cast’s clothing in Final Fantasy XV By Red Makuzawa on October 22, 2015 at 4:57 AM

Final Fantasy XV director, Hajime Tabata has come on to the official forums of the game to address the lore behind the clothing worn by the main characters. He explains that the clothing is the official battle gear of Lucis and is a special color in that kingdom’s history. Additionally, the team plans to add effects in battle on their clothing and not just be in the background.

The clothing worn by the four main characters is the official battle gear of the Kingdom of Lucis.
Noctis is a member of the royal family and the other three characters are parts of various Lucian national organisations and they are each wearing the specific battle dress relevant to their individual stations.
In the Kingdom of Lucis where our heroes reside, the colour black has historically been treated as a special colour. Because of this, the attire of the royal family and those in occupations closely tied to them are unified by having black as a base colouring. This part of the lore is the reason why the outfits of all four main characters are black. For the finished game we also intend on having their clothing having effects in battle and not just being a part of the world and its background. So watch out for that too!

Update 2: Tabata has revealed that another element that existed in Final Fantasy Versus XIII has been removed from the game.

Hello, this is Director Tabata.

Yes, this can be said added-afterwords because clothes Noctis and his companions wear was black to begin with. In the process of game creation, there are two patterns – one where there is a setting and game elements are determined based on that setting, and the other where we have game elements and a setting is created using these elements. So this case falls into the latter.

Those who already know a lot about FF15 like yourselves may feel these settings are unnecessary. But for those who have just been introduced to the world of FF15, these settings can be a great help in familiarizing themselves with this new world. Now let’s say you, do1pen, have been asked by someone, “What kind of a game is FF15?” It is hard to answer this question if you don’t have a clear idea what the most important theme is. The FF series comprise so many elements and it is among the most difficult games to explain in a few words. For FF15, we consider it very important to have a clear theme that you can explain in a few plain words. So my and all my fellow FFXV developers’ answer to the question “What kind of a game is FF15?” would be “a game to regain a kingdom once lost.”

By the way, in Versus 13 Lucis was set as a country of Reaper worship. This setting is a violation of the age rating criteria for games in some countries, so we cannot push these theme. To replace these theme, we have a backbone setting of “black as a special colour.” And I hope you will wait for more information to come on this.

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  • Rashed Mokdad

    That…honestly made no sense. I would have went with “we did it cause it looked cool”. Also, how do those clothes qualify as “battle gear”?

  • Noctis

    It does really make no sense, but whatevere i didn`t had any problems with their closing to begin with….

  • Great. I like their clothes and the fact that there is a reason behind almost everything detail in the game.

  • Tom

    Official battle gear!? Looks more like a casual attire for me. Everyone has different clothes on, there seems to be nothing official about it. It’s fantasy. You don’t need to explain everything.

  • Dick

    I’m not sure that every detail of a game needs its own backstory to justify the end-result.

  • Xervath

    That said, it does not necessarily matter if it does. Questionable as it may appear at times.

  • Dick

    I meant it more in the context of revealed information. There are many things that would enhance the game world that we could have been told. If they wanted to go the art design route in this instance then some information on Luna’s clothing would have been something that satisfied both criteria as she is in a ceremonial position.

    Edit: This isn’t meant as a complaint, just an observation.

  • Noctis Pendragon

    ” Noctis is a member of the royal family and the other three characters are parts of various Lucian national organisations and they are each wearing the specific battle dress relevant to their individual stations. ”

    Official battle gear per familly/division .

  • Tom

    Still not convinced. Looks more like the 90’s leasure wear mixed with modern dress. A bandana on the arm, sleeveless shirts, unbuttoned jacked without a shirt. I might believe it when I see other characters wear the same as one of the main characters.

  • Noctis Pendragon

    Well i was mainly answering to the part you said they didn’t have the same clothes .

    I could easly see them wear battle gears when they need to figth like Regis does :

    http://gematsu.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/FFXV-ATR-Captures_09-19-15_004.jpg

    Regis has a battle armor and gears on the top of his casual clothes .

  • HalfLucan

    This kinda reminds me of Quiets explanation in MGS in that, while its good to have context, I don’t think that it should be explained as a rebuttal to critics.

    Its an artistic choice first and foremost, some people like it, some people wont.

    The story reason is secondary.
    This part of the story was adapted to the character designs, not the other way round and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that, but to say that the “story” is the actual reason I find a bit dishonest.

    Kojima wanted a sexy female in MGS. Quiet has “reasons” for looking sexy, but to say that those reasons are the actual reasons. I dunno, I don’t see why Kojima (or Tabata-san) has to justify it in any way other than stating that it was a preference.

  • Miqote

    Night themed game so they wanted tonfeature the color black.

  • Julie

    People need to stop complaining about it to stop Tabata from explaining it. Half of the fanbase is complaining about a certain unimportant design choice or aspect and the other half is like “This doesn’t need to be explained. Stop explaining!” It’s like trying to look left while looking right.

  • HalfLucan

    Nifleheim Soldier: We’ve spotted 4 males heading west towards Lesallum
    Nifleheim HQ: Are they wearing black?
    Nifleheim Soldier: Yes
    Nifleheim HQ: That’s them!!

  • PhoenixAutomatic

    Official battle gear? This is dumb, just look at Gladious and Prompto…

  • Kevin30

    The fuck?

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    “The clothing worn by the four main characters is the official battle gear of the Kingdom of Lucis”

    You kidding me? Yes I’m sure Gladiolus’s pecks are the official battle gear. And don’t even get me started on what Prompto’s wearing. First I was expected to think it looks good now I’m supposed to believe it an official attire?

    Why change them in the first place? Stop making things worse.

  • Kevin30

    “People need to stop complaining about it to stop Tabata from explaining it”

    No.

  • Kevin30

    *Clothing.

  • Julie

    Yes.

  • Kevin30

    No.

  • Julie

    Yep.

  • Kevin30

    Na ah.

  • Julie

    Yeah huh.

  • Kevin30

    You know what?

  • Julie

    Chicken butt.

  • daveguitar

    Don’t care.
    But I do care about the clothes during battles… tearing off maybe? that could be great

  • Wazi the pa

    So this is basically lore talk……… Eh, whatever. I still think info like this is better off for me personally finding out when I get my hands on the game. No matter, it ain’t that big of a deal. Still don’t think it’s necessary to spill such kind of lore info.

  • stevenm281

    Pretty interesting that their clothes will have effects during battles, I like this!

  • Kevin30

    Hey..

  • And the complains start again……

  • James Stine

    God forbid in a Final Fantasy game people have battle clothing that is unrealistic. You people never cease to amaze me with how annoyed you get at virtually anything. It really is astonishing how people find anything to pick apart and find something wrong. It’s battle attire, they are fighting in battles with it. Was it somehow better when it wasn’t official gear but they just decided to not change clothes?

    The official combat clothing for the SeeD in FFVIII offers no form of protection, it’s basically just cloth with some leather bits a chain and some belts but no one complains about that, do they? Class 0 and the rest of them wear a typical school outfit going into battle and no one complains about that.

    So, why complain about this? Nomura originally even said that this is the clothing that they wore in these situations when he compared them to the Yakuza with the business suits and also the dark clothing style. This explanation is basically the same as how Nomura mentioned it before.

    There was ALWAYS a lore reason for their dark clothing, so you’re late to the party if you want to complain about them now. Go back to 2006+ when Nomura mentioned these things for the first time and bitch about it then.

  • James Stine

    They’ve always been like this, what’s your point? This isn’t even new information, this is Nomura’s decision from Versus days.

  • James Stine

    Actually, it was Nomura’s decision not Tabata’s. Nomura originally described why the people of Lucis all wear black, nothing has changed since then. Kojima wanted to justify a sexy character, this is completely different though.

  • James Stine

    I don’t know, how does a Haori qualify as part of “battle gear” for ancient Japan?

  • Chrono Break

    “You kidding me? Yes, I’m sure the extremely light linen-clothed garbs are the official battle gear of the Ninja class since FF III. And don’t get me started on what the Thieves and the Monks were wearing. First I was expected to think it looks good now I’m supposed to believe it an official attire?”

    Stop making things worse, Square. That makes no sense whatso… WAIT A MINUTE!

  • James Stine

    What do you mean there’s a job in Tactics that has cat ears on a hood, just what are these people at Square thinking about?!

    http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Seer

  • Fat Squeek

    Tabata’s incessant need to rationalize every decision for us is because incredibly cumbersome. I couldn’t give two shits about criticism regarding their clothes and frankly, as creative director, neither should he. Have a little backbone man.

  • James Stine

    It has nothing to do with criticism people were asking on the forums and so he answered. What are you talking about?

  • You know what? Let’s just wait till we play the game instead of making one pointless hypothesis after another. In the end there won’t be anything left to play for. On the other hand, I really hope they don’t pull a “Holiday 2016” release date on us cause this is really getting tiresome. Just do what Konami did and give it out in August/September so that it gains all the attention.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    Um, no they’ve not and my point is pretty clear. Anything else to say?

  • James Stine

    Nomura already told us ages ago that the clothing the Lucis Kingdom wears has to do with their military affiliation and made references to the Yakuza for their style. Nothing has changed here in any way.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&q=ninjas

    First of all, I don’t think you know what a ninja is. Secondly, I never mentioned the previous FF titles, so bringing them up is irrelevant.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    When was that?

    And I don’t care if he said it before. I never said he didn’t did I?

  • NotCarolKaye

    Hey, that’s a pretty big chunk of the gaming population unfortunately. It’s like on one hand they’ll say they feel disrespected by developers if they rehash the same stuff game after game. But then on the other hand they’ll say; “Hey, Final Fantasy XIII doesn’t have towns. Final Fantasy games are supposed to have towns. You, guys suck. I hate you more than if you’d killed my parents.”

    I can’t explain it. Seems to just go on.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    It’s flexible and allows them to do their Kenjutsu and whatnot.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    “Go back to 2006+ when Nomura mentioned these things for the first time and bitch about it then.”

    When the clothes were different?

  • Chrono Break

    Now you’re questioning what people’s perception about Ninjas? Are you related to one? Do they poop?

    Talk about irrelevant, eh?

    Yeah, you didn’t mention past games, I did. For what reason? Because it was evident that you’re clueless about them.

    Ridiculously-designed, inappropriate outfits/clothings/battle gears are pretty much the norm in most FF games. So, why does their clothing structure and reason behind it surprises you?

    Got anything else to complain? Take that to the Dancer job class:

    http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dancer_(Job)

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    >Now you’re questioning what people’s perception about Ninjas?

    Perception? How does this have anything to do with perception? They either wear “light linen-clothed garbs” or they don’t, correct?

    >Talk about irrelevant, eh?

    Um, how?

    >Yeah, you didn’t mention past games, I did. For what reason? Because it was evident that you’re clueless about them.

    Why would I need to know about them in the first place? And how did you figure I am “clueless” about them?

    >Ridiculously-designed, inappropriate outfits/clothings/battle gears are pretty much the norm in most FF games

    That doesn’t mean it should continue. Especially when the designs USED to be so much better, but for some reason they changed them.

  • Ehren Rivers

    Just a quick, light warning to keep it civil and as close to on-topic as possible.

  • Preston Ray

    This game is gonna be awesome!

  • karasuKumo

    Seems a tad “uh they wear it because of reasons”. I’d be more interested if they gave examples of other nations and their colour of choice. I’m guessing Luna’s is white. I’m not complaining, just seems a bit irrelevant.

  • Children. Children everywhere.

  • DwightParkman

    Bad scenario concept. One of the number one rules in story writing it to try avoid limiting certain concepts, colour, is one of those instances where things should not be limited.

  • Budgiecat

    Thats such a lame explanation lol.
    “Battle attire”? Really?

    “Gladio! What are you doing! Proper battle attire military dress protocol for your position is to wear an open button shirt unbuttoned at all times! Please unbutton your shirt as commanded! And I will not have you complain about the chaffing in your tight leather pants!”

    “Prompto! Where are your glitter sequins on your jacket! We will not stand for this insubordination!”

    “Ignis! As a royal advisor and designated driver to the prince you are to always wear your frilly white sparkling racing gloves at all times!”

    “And Prince Noctis! As a prince, you should know your attire and dress accordingly! No royalty wears 2 gloves; you should wear only one to be asymmetrical as possible! and no complaining about the honorary capri pants!”

    If this is their military attire, I’d hate to see what they wear as casual gear :3

  • Limbs4wings

    The main problem with this is that it’s such a departure from Amano’s artistic vision in previous games, which was vibrant and ethereal. These costumes just look boring product placement for a fashion brand.

    You’d think this game was trying to be realistic with it’s lore but as far as I know, no-one goes into a brawl wearing a suit or shiny M.J gloves…let alone a *ing vest for crying out loud!

    At least Cloud Strife’s attire made sense, it had a shoulder pad and was the standard outfit used by a SOLDIER recruit.

  • Budgiecat

    Its just carried over from Nomura with his fetish on black attire from Organization 13 in KH 358/2 days etc

    Also because 95% of the wardrobe that clothing company ROEN sells on their site is black. It’s their style motif.

    Thats all Tabata really had to say instead of making up this BS lol

  • Limbs4wings

    yep, spot on.

  • Limbs4wings

    oh my god please, this was too funny and sadly true

  • Budgiecat

    yeah but SeeD gave you the impression of a military school setting. Much like how Cloud and Zack were dressed like the rest of SOLDIER
    Its just that it was awkward how Squall, Rinoa, Zell, Seifer and company weren’t dressed like their classmates uniforms.
    But I always took that as because they were higher ranked and were awarded the ability to dress how they pleased in order to go out on missions

  • Budgiecat

    In the beginning of Versus, most gathered that the wardrobe of the kings affliates were simply black suits like a sort of Mafia type setting and the cast was just dressed casually because they were abruptly caught under an ambush sparking a war and had to flee or whatever.

  • Budgiecat

    When Nomura said it; he just said black is the official color of that kingdom. He kept it simple as. He never said anything silly like “its official battle gear!” lol

  • Budgiecat

    he basically wants us to believe there are dozens of military heavy sword personel running around in King Regis kingdom wearing chest revealing open button t shirts and tight leather pants and another division of hand gun specialists running around in black denim 70’s style sequined cut off jackets and oversized white cuffed jeans with matching white belts lol

  • Sam

    This is pretty cool. I assume that the gear they’re wearing in a more casual manor. I’m pretty sure the big guys clothes would look official if it was done up 😛

  • James Stine

    Technically he did when he made allusions to the Yakuza and talked about how Lucis acted much like a mafia in nature. The reason Lucis outlawed guns is because they are supposed to represent Japan in many ways, not just the crown city’s appearance.

    So, yeah, Nomura never just said “it’s black”, he had an explanation for it like everything else.

  • James Stine

    Prompto isn’t even part of royalty.

  • James Stine

    I said 2006+ for a reason, I was stating that once the Roen designs were in place because I couldn’t be bothered to look up the exact date when they used the Roen outfits. It doesn’t change anything.

  • D.3ND
  • James Stine

    No, but Regis goes into battle wearing a suit along with most of the rest of the Lucis Kingdom. Prompto is not part of the royal line so his clothes don’t matter. Ignis wears pretty much just a regular suit which is what most of what Lucis would be wearing. The only exception to this is Noctis and Gladiolus. Considering Noctis is the Prince he has his own unique clothing, and Gladio’s open shirt is likely just a choice and not part of the actual military standard.

    Otherwise, they all just wear a black suit. Look at Cor as an example of this, his outfit is simplistic and pretty much just a jacket and pants resembling a suit of some sorts. There’s nothing ridiculous about their outfits compared to any other Final Fantasy game. Why the fuck did Tidus think it was a good idea to have one pant leg longer than the other, and who told Lulu that wearing hundreds of belts over her body was a good idea?

    Everyone wearing suits in the Lucis Kingdom has been a thing for a long time now, people just want to bitch like always lately.

  • D.3ND

    Big dude wielding a giant sword while wearing only lion cloth, boots and a headband they wont complain about. Causal dress Big dude wielding a giant sword while wearing and open leather jean biker jacket and and leather pants they twist their face in disgust……

  • James Stine

    >but for some reason they changed them.

    Blame Nomura.

  • D.3ND

    I’ll take this piece of info as both a grain of salt and mistranslated. They overall setting of the world pretty much speak out on how both the warfare and culture. We cannot forget that they crystal help in the development of the kingdoms day to day life and military strength. Because of this certain country my have the same access of such advance weaponry due to lack of knowledge to develop them or the lack of resource and restriction by establish laws(lol better Gun Control Laws XD ) within ruling countries.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    Blaming a single person for a company’s fault is density at it’s finest.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    Except the fact that they are different when he said that?

  • James Stine

    That’s not what I meant, I was saying the reason they’re not using old designs is because Nomura wanted to use Roen for the clothing for the main cast of characters.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    The old designs were still Roen designs, what are you talking about?

  • James Stine

    No they weren’t they were placeholders designed by Nomura. Noctis’ raincoat looking clothing was not designed by Roen.

  • James Stine

    Sorry, you’ll need to explain what you’re trying to say here because I don’t understand.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    Proof?

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    That doesn’t surprise me. I’m just pointing out the simple flaw in your argument that when Nomura supposedly mentioned this before, the clothing was different and so the argument doesn’t hold.

  • James Stine

    I’m trying to find actual quotes, but unfortunately finding these interviews is annoying. However, multiple times on the FF Wikia they mention it (without source for some reason).

    >Noctis’s initial clothing design by Tetsuya Nomura was a placeholder, to be replaced with an ensemble by Roen.

    >[…] Himuro Takahara served as the game’s costume designer; before his designs were implemented Noctis was shown wearing a placeholder attire designed by Nomura.

  • James Stine

    >Except the fact that they are different when he said that?

    This is what I didn’t understand, you added the second part on after I commented. The clothing changed only once when it went to the official Roen designs (outside of small alterations) and the Yakuza related comparisons have nothing to do with a specific set of clothes.

    I don’t see what you’re trying to argue against here, the point is Nomura originally wanted dark clothing for Lucis to represent that Japanese mafia in dark suits and clothing to represent how the Lucis Kingdom operates.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    Then it’s invalid.

    And even so, this supposed “placeholder” only lasted until 2009, and it was only for Noctis.

    Anyway, they were using ROEN before they changed them so your point is moot.

  • James Stine

    Regardless of any of this, what does that have to do with Nomura wanting a different style of clothing that isn’t traditional for Final Fantasy?

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    >This is what I didn’t understand, you added the second part on after I commented.

    So? Doesn’t change what was said in the first part.

    >The clothing changed only once when it went to the official Roen designs (outside of small alterations)

    How are you finding this difficult? When Nomura Supposedly said this around 2006 the clothing was different than it is now. So yes, they only changed once. He said this once before the change and now Tabata’s saying it after. What don’t you understand about this simple flaw in your argument? This clothes are still black sure, but that’s not the problem, as many people have pointed out. They’d maybe get away with it wit their previous designs.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    Nothing, because that wasn’t part of the discussion?

  • James Stine

    Well then I must have misinterpreted what you were trying to say apparently.

    If you were referring to Noct’s stupid raincoat as a “better design” then, I don’t really have anything to say about that since it’s your opinion. I assume the point you were getting at was that classic FF has always had these inspired fantasy designs for characters and Versus/XV instead went for a realistic modern day look that doesn’t fit the bill for your typical FF attire.

    If this wasn’t what you were saying then I apologize for wasting your time. However, considering you said this in response to someone talking about traditional FF clothing, I assume that’s the context you were forming your response in.

    >>Ridiculously-designed, inappropriate outfits/clothings/battle gears are pretty much the norm in most FF games

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    >If you were referring to Noct’s stupid raincoat as a “better design” then, I don’t really have anything to say about that since it’s your opinion

    I never once mentioned only Noctis, that was you that brought that up, I was quite clearly referring to the whole party’s clothing, not just a supposed minor change in clothing for one character. You were reaching, it’s obvious.

    > I assume the point you were getting at was that classic FF has always had these inspired fantasy designs for characters and Versus/XV instead went for a realistic modern day look that doesn’t fit the bill for your typical FF attire.

    And once again I never once mentioned previous FF’s.

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

    > However, considering you said this in response to someone talking about traditional FF clothing, I assume that’s the context you were forming your response in

    Um no, if you actually look back, you’ll see that I started this thread, to which someone brought up previous FF’s, irrelevant to anything I said.

  • James Stine

    >I never once mentioned only Noctis, that was you that brought that up

    No, I used it as an example to make my point. I’m obviously referring to the old designs in general. Reaching? No. You’re just finding stupid shit to nitpick about for what purpose I don’t know.

    >And once again I never once mentioned previous FF’s.

    And yet you responded to someone who WAS which is why I quoted them which your original response that I quoted was to. Is it that hard to understand? That’s not a strawman, that’s you not paying attention to what you’re responding to.

    >which someone brought up previous FF’s, irrelevant to anything I said.

    That doesn’t change the fact that you responded to their comment about traditional FF attire and saying that “they changed it for some reason”

    At least pay attention to what the hell you are saying if you’re going to have a discussion here.

    That’s enough from me for now. Have a good day, I don’t mean that out of disrespect either I’m being completely serious. Take care.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    >No, I used it as an example to make my point

    What point? Your point was that it was Nomura’s fault because he wanted ROEN designs, to which I pointed out that they were ROEN before the change.

    >I’m obviously referring to the old designs in general

    Um, but you’re not though? You were only referring to Noctis. I think you’re confused and upset. If you were referring to the old designs in general (which you weren’t) then do you understand that they were designed by ROEN?

    >And yet you responded to someone who WAS which is why I quoted them which your original response that I quoted was to. Is it that hard to understand? That’s not a strawman, that’s you not paying attention to what you’re responding to

    Yeah, you’re definitely upset because your illogic was pointed out. Just because I responded to him doesn’t mean that that’s what the discussion was about. He made an off-topic remark and I pointed this out, doesn’t mean it’s what I was talking about, does it?

    >That doesn’t change the fact that you responded to their comment about traditional FF attire and saying that “they changed it for some reason”

    That’s not what my comment was referring to. “It” being the previous Versus designs, you know, the subject of the discussion.

    >That’s enough from me for now. Have a good day, I don’t mean that out of disrespect either I’m being completely serious. Take care

    Bye, maybe next time you’ll know what you’re typing?

  • NotCarolKaye

    They’d bitch about whichever of those costumes was in this game.

  • People can complain all they want, but don’t say something along the lines of “Why are they wearing all black? They look like a boyband lol”

    That shit is so overused and unoriginal please come up with new complaints (I’m looking at you, IGN and Kotaku).

  • D.3ND

    Meh, let them complain. They already got shut down with Luna, I can’t to wait to see it happen for a second time.

  • D.3ND

    I blame those pop-idol theme anime/manga’s that have been plaguing the net for past several years. You saw a Metallica and they look at you funny. : <

  • NotCarolKaye

    And when they do come up with those complaints, maybe they should be prepared to provide a rationale for why anybody should give a shit what they think. You know, instead of spouting off their dumb opinions as if they assume everybody would want them in charge of the game instead of Tabata.

  • Budgiecat

    watch Tabata then come out and say “no Promto’s outfit is indeed still battle attire” lol
    Your post certainly makes more sense than Tabata’s excuse did thats for sure :p

    Also, I never agreed with Tidus retarded mismatched leiderhosen. Especially when he’s supposed to be part of a sports team so a similar uniform would make sense :p

    Suits or not, its usually the case that under military or royalty that people working there would be wearing conforming attire that is not unique to one another. Cor is wearing some random shirt under his jacket, Ignis suit is questionably extra fabulous outside the other same suit guys under Regis.
    Its just a weak explanation

  • Budgiecat

    Yet Tabata couldnt be bothered to make that distinction in his reply

  • Budgiecat

    again, the designer is ROEN, who makes black colored clothes. Its really as simple as that lol

  • Jesus Christ

    Having all of them in black attire makes it bland for me. I remember in art and graphics art class, if you want to have a focus in a picture with many object, the object in focus should look different. Now of course, I’m not suggesting Noctis look like a clown and wear rainbow clothing. You can’t have one person with blue jeans? Nobody? How about a red blazer/jacket for Prompto? It’s like 99% of their look is covered in black. One can argue that maybe that’s because all of them are in focus equally. Eh, but the story focuses on Noctis in the most case, I believe. Even fans talk and relate to Noctis for the game than other characters. He’s the poster child like Lightning for FFXIII.

    They mention black as a base color. OK, but you can have mostly black attire with a pop of color. Ignis’s light color gloves doesn’t work like this.

    And this is “Battle Dress”. More like fashion dress. It’s all subjective and unfortunately, they are the creative minds, their imagination trumps the fan’s. Oh well. Their rationale for the clothing sucks.

  • Jesus Christ

    Well, for one, just because a complaint is overused and unoriginal doesn’t mean it doesn’t have truth and fan’s consensus behind it. For some people, they really do see these guys as a boy band with their clothing. And, for some people, having the entire cast in all black isn’t appealing. These complaints are overused because people are still complaining about it and Square Enix won’t change it because of lore – that doesn’t mean fans have to like the rationale or the this part of the lore. Why make up new complaints if the first one make sense to them. If they make new complaints people might call them out for complaining too much, making more when it’s not necessary.

    Either way, they can’t win you over. But, that’s OK.

  • Norris

    Just because it’s “lore” doesn’t excuse them looking terrible and bland with the all-black setup of the party. Nobody stands out from each other. I cannot imagine spending more than 40 hours with these 4 guys dressed like that.

  • Norris

    The difference is the other examples you posted aren’t just made up of one damn colour, that is black. Class zero outfit is made of black, white and red. FFXV is all black.

  • James Stine

    The red on the soles of their shoes isn’t enough color for you?

  • Tom

    Wow, 103 comments already, now this is causing a stir. (104 including this)

  • Red Makuzawa

    Someone asked about it and they got an answer from Hajime Tabata himself. There’s absolutely no issue there. This may not make sense to you, but when has it ever in the past where characters aren’t literally armored up and fight.

  • Noctis Pendragon

    The FF fanbase is even more dramatic than the games .

  • Noctis Pendragon

    The designer is ROEN because they make black colored clothes , Nomura loves that brand .

  • D.3ND

    You overlook on what the material the clothes are from, from the wildlife I’ve seen what their wearing might be more durable.

  • Budgiecat

    I know he wears their clothes all the time lol

  • ADAMJENSEN13

    Official battle gear of Lucis? Really?
    Why not just answer : They looks like this because we draw clothes for them looking like this. End of case.
    Those clothes are just random, normal, nothing special, not even close to battle gear.

    “For the finished game we also intend on having their clothing having effects in battle ”
    So that means there are no other clothes? Just that one for each character?

    I know. PS4 power cant hold new clothes for characters. That is the reason. Only one costume for character.

    Wait a minute. But in Gta San Andreas there were many shops with many many shirts, pants, hats and accesories. And that game was on… hmm.. yes, on PS2!!!!!!!

    So why on PS4 there is only one costume! That doesnt make a sense!

    10 years in production and we have one costume. WOW!

  • Jesus Christ

    I don’t understand where you’re getting at with your statement. So, because their clothing are from wildlife and therefore it’s durable. What does that got to do with anything I’ve said? Let’s say that’s true. That doesn’t mean the cast’s attire has to be all black. You can dye animal leather to add color. And knowing how this is all fantasy game as the combat look just happen to be casual because, let’s be real, in real life, the clothing is more fashionable than practical for war regardless. But, if I have my way, I’d more a little more color.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    Probably because the game constantly boasts a more “realistic” approach perhaps?

  • D.3ND

    My apology J-Dog, this what happen when you post while half asleep. Yes it’s “fashionable” and hardly looks military grade but you’ve got factor other things that make them wearable in combat, like materiel from certain plants, animals and minerals could hold the answers to why. The outlook of war in VX is completely different then the real world but at same time it’s sound depending on the advancement of the kingdoms. Niflheim have dedicated the resource on military might but at cost of progress of it’s citizen culture and day to day lives, which explain why the soldiers have a medieval design.

    http://i.imgur.com/2pegNYv.jpg

    As for Insomina doing the polar opposite, they have modern up to date society of a first world city but have draw backs on their military which look more like a Defense Force(Insomina Defense Force or ID if you may). So this “ID” would look more like a cross between Metropolitan police and Government agents which means mostly everyone is wearing either basic military/police uniforms, suits or casual wear but must meet combat ready requirements…….then again it’s FF so screw whatever we think or saw about it….

    http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/1/19/Regis_and_the_others_in_battle.png/revision/latest?cb=20150919074844

  • NotCarolKaye

    Past Final Fantasy games where characters are in the same outfit from start to finish;
    Final Fantasy I
    Final Fantasy II
    Final Fantasy IV
    Final Fantasy VI
    Final Fantasy VII
    Final Fantasy VIII
    Final Fantasy IX
    Final Fantasy X
    Final Fantasy XII
    Final Fantasy XIII

    Past Final Fantasy games where characters change outfits;
    Final Fantasy III
    Final Fantasy V
    Final Fantasy X-2
    Final Fantasy XI
    Final Fantasy XIII-2
    Final Fantasy XIV
    Lightning Returns Final Fantasy XIII

    The delineation would appear to have nothing to do with hardware power. It seems to be about creative choice.

    Still your comment is a fine representation of the level of rational grounding and careful thought that the complaints about this game (and some earlier FF games) tend to be based on. So that’s something.

  • Kaizokugami

    I thought people would whine less knowing exactly why they’re wearing the attire they are and why it’s black since those are questions people have been asking for a long time; boy was I wrong. It actually seems like people are whining more now. Yeah, we get it. You think their attire is dull, boring and bland but it’s clearly a special color in their history and that’s just how their battle attire looks like so just deal with it. I’m so tired of seeing the same complaints over and over and there being little to no rationale besides “it looks bad” or “they look like a boyband”. It’s honestly starting to feel like people are complaining for the sake of complaining. On second thought they’ve actually been doing that for a long time now.

    Besides, I don’t see anyone complaining about how casually dressed people in past Final Fantasy games are. All Tifa wears is a mini tank top and a skirt. Many others wear light clothing that offers little to no protection. Steiner is one of the few Final Fantasy characters (party members at least) who wears actual armor. So it seems that people’s main problem with the attire is because it’s black and that you can’t change their outfits. Would you feel any different if their attire was white? Or yellow? Blue? Red? I seriously doubt it. Considering how petty the complaint about the color of their attire is it’s pretty obvious that it doesn’t matter what color or what color combination they would use; you would still complain. As for changing outfits, in the majority of Final Fantasy games you can’t change outfits for the entirety of the games.

    I guess I just want to know exactly why these two things are so game breaking for so many people? I’ve tried countless times to wrap my head around it but I just don’t get it. Anyway, rant over.

    On topic. I’m interested in what these effects their clothes will have in battle are.

  • NotCarolKaye

    Yes, they are the creative minds. And yes, their imagination trumps the “fan’s”.

    Now I’m not sure who you’re talking about when you say “fan’s”, but I would be devastated if you and those people were empowered with imposing creative changes on Tabata and his team. I wouldn’t want to play it if it was polluted with your fuckwit dictates.

    Just because there’s legitimate value in seeking and considering fan feedback, doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t still apply their creativity and judgement to trying to make the best game they can. Even if that means doing something that gets judged as wrong by someone like you who hasn’t even played the game yet.

    So if you can’t have faith in the overall value of what they’re doing and accept that some aspects of the game won’t be perfectly to your taste, then you probably shouldn’t bother playing it.

    Oh and, if you’re one of these people who has mindlessly deferred to the meme that FFX was the last good Final Fantasy, or anything like that, save it. At best that’s your opinion, and it certainly isn’t an argument for why nobody should trust Tabata and his team to make a good game. And remember, I said IF you’re one of those people.

    Also, I’ve been called basically two things in the past for expressing something like this. One is that I’m not a real fan or I’d care about how they’re ruining the series. The other is that I’m a blind Square Enix fanboy who will praise anything my idols put out, no matter how bad it is. So if you were thinking of replying with one of those, don’t bother.

  • NotCarolKaye

    The people who are complaining about this explanation would also have complained if there hadn’t been one.

    “Jeez, they wear black the whole time and there isn’t even a reason! What dicks!”

    You can feel good about your read of the situation though, because it absolutely is complaining for the sake of complaining.

  • Jesus Christ

    Ugh… I smell a smart aleck. My point of contention has to do with the LOOK/STYLE of the cast’s attire, not the durability of the material the clothes are made of. Honestly, these are two separate topics. Let’s focus here. But, if you want me to comment (which, I have above anyway) about the durability issue, I’m “not” disagreeing with you and I can appreciate that the clothing may as well be made from durable plants, animals, and minerals. That’s all fine with me, I can believe that to be the reason. However, relating it back to my point: I wouldn’t call them combat appropriate because they are too fashionable to make sense. Prompto and Gladio shows too much skin, which makes them more vulnerable. It’s like Captain American use his usual large shield, but it’s the size of a small frying pan. That would make it less effective to use to shield against attacks. It’s even more obvious when we juxtapose the cast to more “traditional-looking” battle attire from Niflheim. It’s just looks awkward and funny in that respect. Lastly and, again, I’m talking about “looks” and, yes, if you need reassurance, I’m talking about my perception/interpretation of their attire in the game. It does not make sense to me when the developer call them battle dress. I do not agree. I do not favor their line of reasoning here.

    “then again it’s FF so screw whatever we think or say about it….” – BUT, we can still have a discussion about it.

  • Jesus Christ

    Why the animosity? What makes you believe I have the ability to change the developer’s mind? You’re that worried? That’s sad on you, honestly.

    That entire post of mine was more about my disapproval of their style. I made one last comment about how their creative minds trumps ours as fans (as in generally speaking fans that are liked minded with me on the issue). I didn’t say anything about imposing or changing their minds. Honestly, their minds’ are made up. What are you mad about. And to say this “those people were empowered with imposing creative changes on Tabata and his team. I wouldn’t want to play it if it was polluted with your fuckwit dictates.” is unnecessary and make you look oversensitive and mean spirited. You’re riled up over a total stranger who just making a comment and you assume I have that kind of influence on them. LOL much?

    “Just because there’s legitimate value in seeking and considering fan feedback, doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t still apply their creativity and judgement to trying to make the best game they can.” The ball is in their court. I’m sure they’ve made plenty of creative decisions on their own without any fan input in mind. Also, “best game they can” is very subjective.

    “Even if that means doing something that gets judged as wrong by someone like you who hasn’t even played the game yet.” Well, this applies to you too. You and I haven’t played the game either, but that doesn’t mean we can’t talk about it. I’m judging because its my right. I’m judging because it’s normal fan behavior. You only have a problem with it because I’m judging negatively about the game. If my post was all postitive and praise, this would not happen. And just because I judge a few aspect of this game as “wrong” doesn’t mean I won’t like it. As you said, I haven’t play the game yet!

    “Oh and, if you’re one of these people who has mindlessly deferred to the meme that FFX was the last good Final Fantasy, or anything like that, save it. At best that’s your opinion, and it certainly isn’t an argument for why nobody should trust Tabata and his team to make a good game. And remember, I said IF you’re one of those people.”

    So much anger…towards Me. Oh, IF… IF i’m one of those people. Thanks for the benefit of the doubt. If it helps to reduce your sensitivity, I’m not a member of that meme group. Are you happy? Jesus Christ – that’s Me!

    “Also, I’ve been called basically two things in the past for expressing something like this. One is that I’m not a real fan or I’d care about how they’re ruining the series. The other is that I’m a blind Square Enix fanboy who will praise anything my idols put out, no matter how bad it is. So if you were thinking of replying with one of those, don’t bother.”

    You sound like an exemplary blind Square Enix fanboy. You are sensitive to people’s criticism of the game even if it’s in development phase. I’m not sorry, but people are going to judge whether you like it or not. You bother to comment me, I’m just returning the favor.

    Bloop

  • Jesus Christ

    I agree. That’s how it can get confusing for fan’s. It’s only until they specify which elements they are willing to make more realistic with. But even THEN, their version of realism in game just looks too pretty and perfection. It’s nice too look at, but is it really … realism here? The buildings and waterfalls looks very real, but how they are put together in a setting are very unrealistic. It’s all in how you want to take it when they say “realistic approach”.

  • D.3ND

    indeed, I totally agree with you. But I was apologizing for my poorly written reply due to being half asleep.

  • CallMeGod

    Who cares if they look like boy band what’s the problem with that. If you don’t like the look of it well deal with it because it’s not going to change no matter how many time you whine like babies. Time to grow up and provide constructive criticisms instead of complaining about the same things over and over again. If you don’t like the looks or the direction that new Final Fantasy games are going then it’s time you move forward and find something new to like like The Witcher or Dragon Age. Don’t want to listen to these so called fans that whine like a baby every time something new is add to the Final Fantasy series. It’s time for these delusional fanboys stop living in the past and accept the new Final Fantasy for what they are or just move on.

  • CallMeGod

    The main problem is that Amano is changing his drawing style to created these new Final Fantasy that’s why they are not the same like the old one. Do you get it now so stop talking about the past and look forward toward the future. You get it. Get it.

  • CallMeGod

    Well duh they are using sword to fight their enemies who has guns what did you expect.

  • CallMeGod

    Do you really want to know the reason why Gladio go into a war zone without a shirt. His abs and chest are so sexy that when the enemies see it they are blinded by it sexiness and can’t open their eyes to witness such a godly body that no man had ever seen before. Sex sells even in war zone. You get it now player.

  • CallMeGod

    The developers of the game made the decision to choose black so DEAL WITH IT. If you want to use rainbow colors then create your own game and I’ll come whine about it too.

  • CallMeGod

    Who wouldn’t be blinded by those GODLY peck when in battle against such a confident man as Gladio who go into battle without no fear of getting hurt since he’s wear no armor for protection.

  • CallMeGod

    Gladio here and I got this to say to you hater about me going into battle without a shirt.

    “I’m too sexy for my shirt
    Too sexy for my shirt
    So sexy it hurts”

  • NotCarolKaye

    Saying “unfortunately” they are the creative minds, expresses a belief that things shouldn’t be that way. If that wasn’t your intent, you should’ve said “unfortunately for me” or “unfortunately for me and the other people who don’t like this.” Qualify.

    The unreservedly critical tone of your post with that unqualified statement at the end reads as you thinking you know better and that your preferences represent the correct creative choices that they should be making. You should be able to appreciate how that could be misunderstood and generate hostility.

    Pressing on;
    Saying; “Some of their games suck. Some of their decision making sucks,” also expresses in absolute terms as if those are statements of objective fact. Without “In my opinion” at the start (or something), it comes off like you take your personal assessment to be bedrock fundamental truth. Again, if you were meaning to use your opinion of them as the basis for a factual argument, it would have no validity.

    So, maybe I misunderstood you. If you’d like to avoid such things in the future, you should work on expressing yourself with more clarity. People can only understand you based on what you write, not what’s in your mind.

  • NotCarolKaye

    I guess it’s also worth saying that you calling me “an exemplary blind Square Enix fanboy” is suggestive of you spending a lot of time criticizing Square Enix games and getting negative responses. How else could you assess me to be “exemplary”?

    I’m sure you’ll come up with something that you think refutes that, but make no mistake, I’m far from convinced that your reply to me was anything other than a pathetic backpedal.

  • Norris

    Your username should be CallMeTitan. That’s what Gladio called himself.

  • Jesus Christ

    “Saying “unfortunately” they are the creative minds, expresses a belief that things shouldn’t be that way. If that wasn’t your intent, you should’ve said “unfortunately for me” or “unfortunately for me and the other people who don’t like this.” Qualify.”

    You’re tripping over the little things.

    I think my post was clear. It’s MY post. It’s MY view. I don’t have to say “unfortunately for me” every time or “just my opinion” every time I make an opinion to satisfy your worry that it’s just my opinion. It’s so redundant. It’s my writing. If I were to cite someone and I didn’t give reference, OK, i give you that. I never claim to state any facts. It’s all in your mind, dude. Any reasonable minded people can see I was stating an opinion, not a statement of fact. Like if I go by your line of reasoning, you shouldn’t be so mad because I didn’t say “it’s fact that”. I didn’t, did I? Give me a break. It’s like writing a persuasive essay in high school. My teacher say don’t write “I”, “I believe”, “I think” because people can assume it’s your work – it’s your paper. The only problem is if you cite something without reference.

    “The unreservedly critical tone of your post with that unqualified statement at the end reads as you thinking you know better and that your preferences represent the correct creative choices that they should be making. You should be able to appreciate how that could be misunderstood and generate hostility.”

    No, I stand strong by what I said. I never said I know better. YOU did. I said their creative minds trump the fan’s. THAT’S IT. YOU assume more than what was added. That’s on YOU. You choose to be hostile, rather than just ask me for assurance, you choose to call me a bad name. Oh, IF … IF.. thanks after you call me a name.

    You misunderstood me. And you took the worst of out it agaisnt me.

  • Jesus Christ

    I tell you what. I do criticize FFXV a lot. I do not deny that. BUT, you clearly don’t know me at all and you take the worst out of it. My comment…”My comment” about the battle dress is honestly a small thing, but you chose to make a mountain out of a mole hill. So what if I think negatively about it? it doesn’tmean I won’t like the game. If you follow my comments on this site about the game, you know I’ve stated many times that regardless of its flaws … Oh wait careful I should say “regardless of the flaw I BELIEVE in my OPINION that I see in this game according to MY perception/interpretation” – I would still buy it collector edition and first day.

    Actually, I think it’s interesting to tell you that you’re one of the very few and rare cases that struck a nerve with me. Honestly, if you follow my comments when I make fun of this game, in most cases people don’t respond to my post like you at all. They just be silly and say “Jesus WHyyy :(” or “Jesus you hatin” or something of that nature. It’s all fun and games. You take it so seriously. And that’s why you are a blind fanboy.

  • Jesus Christ

    CallMeGod, I am dealing with it. If you read my post carefully, I even admit that that’s how itwill be a(and always been). If I had my way however, I would like to see some color.

    Making comments doesn’t always have to entail constructive criticism. Sometimes people complain because they don’t like what they see. There’s nothing wrong with that.

    Again I’m taking issue with this small aspect of the game. Their clothing. And I do admit I see problems in other aspect of the game, too.That doesn’t mean I don’t like the game. It’s not a deal breaker.

  • Jesus Christ

    D3ND, I thank you so much for understanding. Look at the other people’s reply to me. They misunderstand and just take it the wrong way. Why can more post exchanges be like ours?

  • NotCarolKaye

    You know what? That’s a fair point. I was out of line. Sorry.

    Look it may have just been me, but you did came across to me as arrogantly certain that the design is wrong. It doesn’t come across to me as you wanting to constructively discuss your opinion. You may want to consider that qualifying some statements, even if not required, and trying to keep a more measured tone could help avoid being bothered by this kind of misunderstanding. It wouldn’t make what you’re saying any less clear. This isn’t a school paper. If you’re expressing a negative opinion of a thing to strangers who might have a positive opinion of it, you would probably be better off considering the emotional factor of that and managing it more proactively.

  • Jesus Christ

    Wow… for a second, I almost became like you. I thought of the worst. This is unexpected of you to call me fair. If you need me to qualify my statements, sure I can do that. But don’t attack me call me names, and then wonder if what I meant was just an opinion. I think you have a thing for detail, you prefer qualitfying words and phrases when you read to assure you that it’s an opinion and not a fact. OK, I can accept that. I, Jesus Christ, was stating an opinion (it should’ve been understood). …. are you happy now?

    I thank sincerely you. Can we just move on.

    Please, in my opinion… I believe… I think… in non-absolute terms ….we should move on.

    I’m all smiles.. I hope you are too.

  • NotCarolKaye

    Yeah see, you’re coming across like a dick again. I’m substantially less sorry. I’m pretty much not sorry now really I’m not going to bother arguing though, because you’re way to much of a master of rationalizing your asshole self expression. I’ll concede that I can’t out debate you. You win the argument. You will think you have no responsibility for how I reacted and I don’t doubt that you could convince just about anyone who isn’t me of that.

  • NotCarolKaye

    Yeah, too bad we were writing these at the same time. I’ll leave all my stuff up so people can laugh at me. I guess I need to be less intense and reactive. Sorry again. For good this time.

  • Jesus Christ

    Jesus Christ loves you. I bear no ill feelings. #nosarcasm #noshade

    XOXO

    WOW what a happy ending! I love this. Screencap and evrrthang! I’m sending this to my mommy an daddy!

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    Yeah and again, I don’t think anyone really cares about realistic clothing. Realistic story/setting/characters sure, but I just want good looking clothing. I’m not getting that here.

    And no, it’s not just because they’re all wearing black (black is the main colour I wear).

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    What an ignorant comment. Why should anyone care about what you just typed, care to provide a “rationale” for that?

    Learn to accept that people have differing opinions in life, you’re going to have to when you grow up.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    That’s a baseless assumption. I don’t know why you constantly try and straw-man people’s arguments. People don’t like the artistic design of the clothing, Tabata gives poor reasoning (in their minds) for said design and naturally they complain. What are you finding so hard to accept about this?

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    >I thought people would whine less knowing exactly why they’re wearing the attire they are and why it’s black since those are questions people have been asking for a long time; boy was I wrong. It actually seems like people are whining more now.

    Because said reasoning is inadequate?

    People have opinions. This is a simple fact of life. You may not empathize with these views but that doesn’t make them any less valid. “Deal with it”.

    >Besides, I don’t see anyone complaining about how casually dressed people in past Final Fantasy games are

    Probably because the games are older now, and we’re not talking about older FF’s flaws here.

    >All Tifa wears is a mini tank top and a skirt. Many others wear light clothing that offers little to no protection. So why is it such a big deal in this game? Stop grasping at straws people. It’s unsightly. Steiner is one of the few Final Fantasy characters (party members at least) who wears actual armor

    I don’t know why people are assuming it has to be actual armour. FF has ridiculous areo-gymnastic hyper moves that require flexible clothing. Hence the little clothing.

    >So it seems that people’s main problem with the attire is because it’s black and that you can’t change their outfits

    Dunno, in my case it’s not because they’re black it’s because they – or rather Prompto – looks stupid. Look at the earlier clothing. It was GOOD. They were wearing white and black by the way. They could ACTUALLY pass in the real world (okay maybe not Noctis).

    >As for changing outfits, in the majority of Final Fantasy games you can’t change outfits for the entirety of the games. Just because this game is newer doesn’t mean it has to be different in that regard

    Just because other games in the series didn’t do doesn’t mean they should continue not doing it. Why would they not improve if they could?

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    Admitting your mistakes is the first step to recovery. Glad you see the error in your ways.

  • Jesus Christ

    What would you change about their clothing so that you’re satisfied?

    For me, I think they need to add color. And as I’ve stated on my other post(s), I’m not suggesting exaggerated colors. Having too much of the same color diminishes individuality. I’d be fine with 65-75% black, 35-25% other colors.

    And I’m with you on this, I don’t like their reasoning. it’s silly.

  • Dick

    Good answer.

  • Dick

    Excellent comment, though I’d question “blatant SE fanboy.” Not because it may not be true, but because it detracts from the argument as the point is already implicit.

  • Dick

    You’re finding fault in nothing here. If you were willing to reply to his original comment, you find fault in his opinion. Being willing to admit you can’t out-argue someone is very rare these days and I’m glad to see someone do it. It doesn’t make you wrong, it just means that you were willing to make your point. I respect that, if it helps.

  • Dick

    There’s no laughing going on. This is an interesting comment thread to read from both of you.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    That’s a difficult question, but colour’s not an issue for me. An example of clothing I would prefer would be the original designs.

    Prompto, for instance, was wearing a simple black gilet over a plain white t-shirt, the contrast was nice with it as well as the black jeans. People just seem to be under the impression that more colours (or more delineations) = more vivid/appealing/better-looking. Adding more colours may very well be a viable option but for me it’s not the issue.

    I just don’t like the current designs is all.

  • ADAMJENSEN13

    Youre right. They all had the same outfits in FF on Nes and PSone but they werent made for 10 years.
    Even in FF7 and FF8 were moments were You had different clothes.

    Yeah, I know. But thats frustrating. We all waiting for this game sooooo long and there isnt even clothes changing. I dont get it. I know that Japanaese rpgs is known for not changing your armor through walktrough but FFXV should change that. Square should show that in Japanese games there can be hundreds of armors and accecories like in eastern games like dragon age and elder scrolls.

    Thanks for understanding.

  • NotCarolKaye

    Yup, there’s no question here. I massively overstepped with this. That doesn’t mean that I don’t think that this series isn’t held to an unreasonably high standard sometimes. It doesn’t mean that I don’t think people strain to find ways to justify their disapproval. It’s just that I projected my frustration with that where it didn’t belong. And that’s at least as bad as the things I was upset about.

    Still though, tone does matter if you genuinely favor civil conversation over contentious bickering. I certainly need to get mine in check too.

  • NotCarolKaye

    Thanks, that’s kind of you to say. I still regret regret the essential wrongness of my initial reply. Hopefully though a few people see this and take something away from it about being more cautious about how they say things. It’d be a shame if I was the only one who got that from this.

  • NotCarolKaye

    First, I want to apologize for the shitty tone of my reply. It was out of line and I know it.

    Anyway;
    I don’t think the 10 year development winds up being a big factor with alternative costumes. The reason for my saying that is that even when their design is meant to fit the narrative and broader world, they’re still cosmetic and don’t need to interact with the mechanics of the game’s systems.

    I would say in general, and to you specifically, that you can almost only sabotage your potential enjoyment of this game by worrying about the 10 year development. There are ways to make peace with what has been a frustrating wait for us all. I’ll offer mine.

    One is that, in reality, a lot of that time has been spent working on at least one previous approach to the game. As you know Versus XIII just didn’t come together for reasons that remain mysterious, but hopefully will be elaborated on at some point. I choose to believe that at least part of the reason is that the PS3 didn’t have the power to meet the standard of design that they were working toward, but they wouldn’t compromise. It’s far from implausible to me and I would respect that a lot more that them just scaling back their ambitions to get product on the shelf. I also get the impression that Nomura never quite got all the pieces in place for what the final game would be. Speculation, but whatever the reasons, a lot of time spent on working on essentially a different production. Work that largely won’t be reflected in the final game.

    Another thing to consider is that they won’t be charging a price for it that’s in proportion to it’s 10 year development. I if they were doing that I’d be the first to say it’d damn well better be worth it.

    But I guess the main thing that makes me okay with it is that they haven’t given up. Through the troubled development they’re still trying to get the game finished in a way that lives up to people’s anticipation as best as they can. It maybe doesn’t have everything that it was ever intended to have, but it seems like a sincere effort is being made to make something that’s true to the essence of what has always been intended. It’s also worth pointing out that the result of that could actually be an upgrade. We can’t really know for sure one way or another.

    What I do know is that they could’ve said; “This thing’s a bust. Let’s just scrap it and work on something with no expectations that’ll be easier to finish. That’s what everyone’s expecting at this point anyway” I’m very grateful that they didn’t do that. To me that’s enough and I’m willing to take the game for what it is and not worry about what it might’ve been or how long it took. I sincerely hope for your sake, that you can find a way to feel that way too.

    See, that’s what I should’ve said to you to begin with. Sorry again for the dickishness.

  • NotCarolKaye

    This is something I still believe. I can’t prove it, but if you don’t think anyone ever strains for rationales to be angry at and vilify the developers for subjective design choices, read the post immediately below this.

    People absolutely do look for reasons to be upset about this game.

  • Jesus Christ

    I think it’s refreshing to see varying complaints/issues/feedback that people have with certain aspects of this game. Now, one can take this statement as implying this game has a lot of problems, but it’s really not what I mean here. I have mine. You have yours. We don’t necessarily have to share them in agreement, but we have them nonetheless. All in all, it’s just the small parts of a bigger game. I like to nitpick sometimes – what can I say! It feels good.

    It’s OK to not like their designs. I’m sure you’re not the only one. 🙂

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    >I can’t prove it

    Then your point is moot.

    >…but if you don’t think anyone ever strains for rationales to be angry at and vilify the developers for subjective design choices

    Maybe some people do, that’s not my point. Immediately countering a complaint by saying that they’re just looking for complaints is illogical.

  • Kaizokugami

    >Because said reasoning is inadequate?

    People have opinions. This is a simple fact of life. You may not empathize with these views but that doesn’t make them any less valid. “Deal with it”.

    Exactly. It’s just their opinion that Tabata’s explanation is inadequate; that doesn’t mean it is. I won’t empathize with opinions that have no rationale behind them. If people want me to empathize with their opinions then they need to give me more than just “it looks bad” or “lol boyband”.
    Normally I’d be done here at this point because I find people like you who make mocking quotes to not be worth the time as it’s extremely immature, childish and petty, but just this time I’ll reply to all of it since you wrote such a long reply.

    >Probably because the games are older now, and we’re not talking about older FF’s flaws here.

    And yet people talk about the older games all the time and compare the newer games to them, and this has been done in the comment sections of previous FFXV articles on this very site. There’s no reason the same can’t be done for the opposite here. You may disagree with that but I frankly don’t really care.

    >I don’t know why people are assuming it has to be actual armour. FF has ridiculous areo-gymnastic hyper moves that require flexible clothing. Hence the little clothing.

    An observation I’ve made while on several sites. People have expressed that it’s silly or outright stupid that they’re not wearing armor when their enemies are robots who fire guns at them. I will admit it was a pretty out of place statement in this comment section since no one explicitly mentioned that here.

    >Dunno, in my case it’s not because they’re black it’s because they – or rather Prompto – looks stupid. Look at the earlier clothing. It was GOOD. They were wearing white and black by the way. They could ACTUALLY pass in the real world (okay maybe not Noctis).

    I kind have to agree with you here. I’m not a fan of Prompto either. Yeah, they definitely looked good with the clothing they wore earlier. Everyone except Noctis. I was never a fan of the whole wearing a garbage bag thing. I don’t mind their current appearance though, with the exception of Prompto.

    >Just because other games in the series didn’t do doesn’t mean they should continue not doing it. Why would they not improve if they could?

    It doesn’t mean they should either. As for why they wouldn’t…maybe because they’re pleased with the character’s looks aesthetically and don’t see the point in adding more outfits? Just because more games nowadays are adding more outfits to be used in RPGs doesn’t mean every game has to have that feature.

  • ADAMJENSEN13

    No problem man. I feel the same. I am really happy that they didnt canceled the project cuz from begining FFXV(VersusXIII) looked amazing and its great they are still making it. I am mega excited for that game and I hope it will release finally in 2016 so we all can play it and see how awesome it is.
    I know that I am complaing about this and that but thats probably because of the waiting. I know FFXV will be amazing. Gameplay looks fantastic. Many people complain about its action gameplay. I am happy about that. Music, Japanese voices, graphic, animation, world, car, minigames, summons and other things.
    I know this game will be awesome but now everyone will be saying the same thing I said in earlier comment. “10 years in development and only one costume” or something like “What? and where is that airship they always talked so much about” or “This is not Final Fantasy” or other things.
    I will play it for sure and its great Square is still making it for fans.

    Thanks for replay.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    >It’s just their opinion that Tabata’s explanation is inadequate; that doesn’t mean it is

    This doesn’t, make any sense. Nobody’s saying that you have to believe it is.

    >I won’t empathize with opinions that have no rationale behind them

    Of course you won’t, you don’t see the rationale behind thinking that and open button shirt or “Harajuku” cosplaying outfits don’t qualify as “battle gear”: that is your opinion, so of course you won’t empathize with it.

    >If people want me to empathize with their opinions

    Nobody wants you to empathize with them.

    >…they need to give me more than just “it looks bad” or “lol boyband”

    Has anyone even said that here?

    >…and anything less than a proper explanation will be seen by me as just looking for a reason to be upset with the game.

    This is poor reasoning, just because their opinion isn’t thoroughly explained to you doesn’t make it any less valid, or “looking for a reason to be upset with the game”. Nothing about that connotes some sort of pseudo-complaint. Again, you’re just straw-manning people’s arguments.

    >That and let’s be honest here, if people weren’t satisfied with Tabata’s explanation then NO explanation will ever satisfy them

    More baseless assumptions. I, for one, would have been satisfied with no explanation, I’m just pointing out the stupidity in the whole “battle-gear” assertion.

    >Normally I’d be done here at this point because I find people like you who resort to mocking quotes to be a waste of time as it’s extremely immature, childish and petty

    How has anything I’ve said been mocking, childish or petty? I’m sorry if you’ve somehow interpreted what I’ve said as some sort of dig at you, but I’m just pointing out fallacious reasoning.

  • Dick

    The main problem is when opinions differ from each other’s idea of what Final Fantasy is. When a developer is ascribing to a philosophy in direction, it splits opinion on what exactly that means. That’s not to say that anyone is wrong or right for criticising or praising but rifts appear when a discussion goes the way of Godwin’s law and irrelevant aspects are brought into it.

    I would like to find somewhere to discuss FF games where there is objective discussion. If you happen to know of anywhere, I’d gladly join you over there.

  • NotCarolKaye

    I gave you a perfectly good example.

    And if lack of proof is a reason not to say anything, then nobody should be complaining about subjective design choices.

  • Justice V

    At the very least there will most likely be alt costume DLC, just as there was in XIII-2 and XIII-3. Also Tabata said before that the black suit from the scene with Stella is still in the game, even though that scene isn’t the same as it was before. Whether you can fight in the suit or not is another matter.

  • Justice V

    I like all the current designs, except noctis’ shants. I really dislike those along with the rain boots. But Prompto’s outfit looks so much better now than the original. I mean the original was good for a game that wouldn’t be able to handle much detail, but if it was highly detailed I feel like his outfit would just look boring. Ignis’s suit looks really nice, and Gladio is just awesome. I pretty much love everything about his updated design. But yeah, Noct has never had a good design (wardrobe wise). The first ‘temp’ outfit was pretty horrible, then it got updated to what it is now and is still pretty ugly, at least from the waist down. His black suit is still a nice design though.

  • Kaizokugami

    >This doesn’t, make any sense. Nobody’s saying that you have to believe it is.

    I’m saying that just because people think Tabata’s reasoning is inadequate that doesn’t mean it is.

    >Nobody wants you to empathize with them.

    You’re the one who brought me not empathizing with people’s opinions up. Are you just bringing up seemingly pointless and meaningless things in order to make an artificial argument or so you can make a witty rebuttal? Or just to nitpick? Either way, I’m finding it harder and harder to take you seriously.

    >Has anyone even said that here?

    No, not with that exact phrasing but I do recall seeing one or two comments complaining on here. Most of it is directed at people who only come and read the articles and comments but don’t actually comment. And if a few people happen to be complaining in the comments after the fact then it’s mostly a coincidence. My original comment wasn’t directed at literally everyone in the comment section. You just wrongly assumed it was.

    >This is poor reasoning, just because their opinion isn’t thoroughly explained to you doesn’t make it any less valid, or “looking for a reason to be upset with the game”. Nothing about that connotes some sort of pseudo-complaint. Again, you’re just straw-manning people’s arguments.

    When they complain about the same thing over and over despite getting answers then no they’re not valid. At that point they’re nitpicking at best, which isn’t a good thing either. If people can’t rationalize their opinions despite being given an explanation, in this case by Tabata, to enlighten them then they ARE looking for a reason to be upset with the game.
    An opinion isn’t an argument because arguments have to be reasoned or you have to provide justification for your opinion in order to make an argument. Saying “that’s just their opinion” or “that’s just my opinion” is like putting up a brick wall and dodging the difficult task of providing justification for their perspective. Hence why I’m bothered by people with no rationale behind their opinions. Do you get it now or do I seriously have to explain this seemingly foreign concept to you even further? Naturally, I’m not saying people HAVE to give me an explanation and it’s not like I’d push the issue if they don’t want to but that doesn’t mean it won’t bother me.
    So no, I’m not strawmanning anyone. Cute attempt though.

    >More baseless assumptions. I, for one, would have been satisfied with no explanation, I’m just pointing out the stupidity in the whole “battle-gear” assertion.

    Then you need to go and read what people are saying on more than just one site because what I’m saying is definitely NOT a baseless assumption. If you actually did your research you’d know that.
    Also, I don’t care what you think about Tabata’s explanation.

    >How has anything I’ve said been mocking, childish or petty? I’m sorry if you’ve somehow interpreted what I’ve said as some sort of dig at you, but I’m just pointing out fallacious reasoning.

    Are you even the least bit aware of the things you type or are you just feigning ignorance? I’m referring to when you quoted me by saying “”Deal with it”” since it was one of the things I said in my original comment. To me that felt like you were mockingly quoting me. If you weren’t then disregard what I said.

  • NotCarolKaye

    Right on. I guess it just frustrates me that so much energy seems to go into focusing what people don’t like about this (and other games) rather than trying to see the positive. Ultimately, it seems like getting to play video games is a privilege. Something the Pharaoh of Egypt or the Emperor of Rome would’ve envied. Why just because they tend to be imperfect, turn it into something that you’re upset about?

    Still, I should have been civil with you from the start. I got drawn into the contentiousness and let myself and you down. Sorry again.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    >I’m saying that just because people think Tabata’s reasoning is inadequate that doesn’t mean it is

    I know that’s what you said, and I directly refuted that. I assumed that when you said “doesn’t mean it is” you were referring to your own perspective (because you can’t speak for anyone else). It’s subjective, if they say it is then it is for them. There is no universal “is” or “is not” when it comes to something subjective.

    >You’re the one who brought me not empathizing with people’s opinions up

    I never said you had to empathize with my (or anyone else’s) views though did I?

    >No, not with that exact phrasing but I do recall seeing one or two comments complaining on here

    There’s lots of complaining on here, but that’s not what you said. Never-the-less, even if that was said it still would be any less valid than your opinion, regardless of how well it satisfies your need for an explanation.

    >You just wrongly assumed it was

    How? Where did I say you were talking about everyone?

    >When they complain about the same thing over and over despite getting answers then no they’re not valid

    How? And even if said answer is inadequate (yes, in their minds, because apparently it needs to be pointed out to you)?

    >At that point they’re nitpicking at best, which isn’t a good thing either

    Nit-picking over the same thing again and again? How does that work?

    >If people can’t rationalize their opinions despite being given an explanation

    It seems to me that you can’t wrap your head around the fact that some people find this reasoning inadequate. How many times do I need to tell you this?

    >An opinion isn’t an argument because arguments have to be reasoned or you have to provide justification for your opinion in order to make an argument. Saying “that’s just their opinion” or “that’s just my opinion” is like putting up a brick wall and dodging the difficult task of providing justification for their perspective

    When did I say an opinion was an argument? I think you need to learn the difference between subjective and objective wording. You don’t need to justify a subjective opinion. It’s not even an opinion if they’re speaking objectively. I mean, what’s your reasoning for not liking pizza? What’s your rationale for not liking Mozart? What’s your justification for liking Justin Bieber?

    >Then you need to go and read what people are saying on more than just one site

    Another baseless assumption.

    >…because what I’m saying is definitely NOT a baseless assumption

    Yeah, you’ve said that multiple times without anything to back it up. You’re not very good at this are you?

    >If you actually did your research you’d know that

    It’s not my responsibility to do your research.

    >Are you even the least bit aware of the things you type or are you just feigning ignorance? I’m referring to when you quoted me by saying “”Deal with it”” since it was one of the things I said in my original comment. To me that felt like you were mockingly quoting me. If you weren’t then disregard what I said

    The irony and contradictory change in tone here is amusing. Struggling?

    >I think I’m pretty much done here.

    Oh, you were done a long time ago, son.

    >PS: I won’t read any further responses.

    Bye, maybe next time you’ll come back with a better argument?

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    The example (even IF you explained how it was reaching for complaints) still wouldn’t account for everyone that you mentioned.

    There is definitely an ignorance of the difference between subjective and objective on this site. Subjective opinions do not need proof to back up, objective claims – such as the one you made – do.

  • ADAMJENSEN13

    That would be really awesome. DLC costumes. I think that Tabata said something similiar about airships. That if they wont be able to put airship before release they will put airship later as a DLC.
    DLC is great idea. I hope Square will think about it.

  • ADAMJENSEN13

    Dont worry man. Everyone can get angry when He sees that someone is making fun of His favorite game.
    I will probably still complain about some things but as I said earlier. I will play it for sure. FFXV is must have!
    I think that Square is the only Japanese developer that is making rpg that looks different than other Jrpg. Square rpgs are amazing in every detail(Sometimes of course there are things I dont like – like those costumes in XV – or I think that XIII-2 is much worse than normal XIII) but they rpgs are still the best Japanese rpgs.

  • NotCarolKaye

    You can’t see how that’s a spurious rationalization without me explaining? Seriously? I didn’t explain with the assumption that you aren’t stupid. Was I wrong for that?

    I expressed my opinion in absolute terms in the same way that Mr. Jesus Shtick expressed his. I don’t care if that gets on your nerves since you don’t seem to have any understanding of how his tone set me off.

    I’ll say it again. People who are complaining about this explanation for the costume designs would’ve complained about a lack of explanation. I have just as much right to express that opinion as people have the right to express the opinion that the designs are bad.

  • Adrian

    I don’t really have a problem with the way the characters look but “official battle gear” is kind of a lame explanation. Why is the king’s battle gear all armored up then? I wish Tabata just said “their official color is black, those outfits are what they were wearing when they had to flee Lucis.” Oh well, there’s never really a good reason behind the way Final Fantasy characters look anyway.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    >You can’t see how that’s a spurious rationalization without me explaining? Seriously? I didn’t explain with the assumption that you aren’t stupid. Was I wrong for that?

    Of course you were. Claims require evidence, do you not know how this works?

    >I expressed my opinion

    What opinion?

    >I’ll say it again. People who are complaining about this explanation for the costume designs would’ve complained about a lack of explanation. I have just as much right to express that opinion as people have the right to express the opinion that the designs are bad.

    Thanks for proving that you are indeed ignorant.

    Me – “There is definitely an ignorance of the difference between subjective and objective on this site. Subjective opinions do not need proof to back up, objective claims – such as the one you made – do.”

  • Momiji

    “Because of this, the attire of the royal family and those in occupations
    closely tied to them are unified by having black as a base colouring.
    This part of the lore…” LOL you’re just stretching it now. It was always part of the world’s theme (FFVersus: tregedy) and you know it Tabata. Stop grasping for straws from Nomura’s designs.

  • Momiji

    I already knew why they wore black. Been following since Versus. Nomura just likes the colour. Period.

  • NotCarolKaye

    Yes I certainly was wrong for assuming you aren’t stupid. I’m done wasting time on you. Drown in AIDS blood you nothing. Feel free to write a big long reply as to how my saying that proves you right. I won’t read it or care.

  • MarioLazor

    Stupid as determined by your opinion? FYI not all people hate the all black look, and if there’s a reason behind their choice of color, so much the better. Tabata explained his reasoning for it, and since it is HIS game, it’s reason enough. But since that reasoning isn’t good enough for you, you apparently just seek to bash on this game because you “Don’t like his reasoning”. And at that point that is your opinion, and yours alone. Tabata doesn’t have to change a damn thing about this game based on anyone else’s opinion (never mind the fact that he’s taking feedback and directly implementing it into the game already), because it’s how HE wants it made. And that reason is good enough for me, should be good enough for you, and for everyone else. And if you respond to this you are just arguing for the sake of arguing and I won’t give you the pleasure of a response.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    I’m amused by the frustrated, clearly snookered and beaten reply signalling an admitted defeated. Looks like I’m done here.

  • CocaineCowboyFF7

    >Stupid as determined by your opinion?

    It’s a fairly reasonable assertion that an open-button shirt doesn’t somehow qualify as “battle-gear”, is it not?

    >FYI not all people hate the all black look

    I know, I never said that.

    >…and if there’s a reason behind their choice of color, so much the better

    Even if the reason is dumb? And if you want to be finicky about it then yes, in my opinion, if that even changes anything.

    >But since that reasoning isn’t good enough for you, you apparently just seek to bash on this game because you “Don’t like his reasoning”.

    I’m not “bashing” on the game, I’m only bashing on his reasoning.

    >Tabata doesn’t have to change a damn thing about this game based on anyone else’s opinion (never mind the fact that he’s taking feedback and directly implementing it into the game already), because it’s how HE wants it made

    Um, I know? Why is it whenever someone expresses a negative opinion white-knights always jump in to spout baseless nonsense as if I’m claiming everyone should hold this opinion, or I’m stating It as fact or that the developers NEED to change things?

    >And that reason is good enough for me, should be good enough for you, and for everyone else

    So your low standards are universal? Hypocritical, you’re the one telling me not to force my views on other people.

    >And if you respond to this you are just arguing for the sake of arguing and I won’t give you the pleasure of a response

    Sure. *pats you on the head*

  • Goddamn easily offended people with their blocking or removal of anything that remotely threatens their point of view on the world! If Lucis was meant to be a kingdom of people that worship angels of death, then they should’ve kept it that way and just slapped a PEGI18 rating on it! Now we’re stuck with a kids game! I mean, look at GTAV. It shows nothing but violence, whores, sex and drugs, it pretty much mocks us for our way of living, and it’s the game with the most sales ever made! Eventually, both FF and SQEN are gonna have to grow a pair and let the series mature! *sigh* Now we’ll never know what Nomura had in mind. They better not pull any of these stunts with the VII Remake!!

  • Enough about the costumes!! I mean, you’ll take something like Quina, no questions asked, but can’t deal with 4-5 casual looking men dressed in everyday black clothing?? Geez the internet is so full of whiners!

  • CloudFire

    Thought SE said they were gonna show something at paris games week. What happened??

  • shirahime

    …Why do people complain about these clothes? I like them all well enough. I think the boy-band-ish image is more due to their pose (4 people walking in a line) and the unified colour of black. The design of the clothes is something I can imagine Japanese young men to wear.

    Hmmm maybe except Noctis’ boots. They make him look shorter than he actually is.