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Tabata talks Final Fantasy XV story imbalances and the team’s unconventional decisions By Erren Van Duine on February 14, 2017 at 4:27 PM

One of the big points of contention surrounding Final Fantasy XV post launch has been its story. It’s an aspect of the game we criticized at length in our own review, and certainly one that’s left a lot of fans wondering – just what happened?

Speaking with Game Informer, director Hajime Tabata says the narrative direction was entirely intentional – namely the important events that happened off-screen. “It was for the players to experience the story through Noctis’ eyes,” he told the magazine. “The world and the events that Noctis sees are merely things that are seen through his eyes. We didn’t want to create a comprehensive and perfectly balanced story in this game. Instead, we placed importance on the main characters and for the player and Noctis to share the same experience when we tell the story.”

With this sort of narrative design philosophy in hand, Tabata said it was only natural to increase the proportion in which the main characters are depicted. “It’s not that we decreased the role of the side characters,” he explained. “Focusing on many characters in the game means that the allocation given to the main characters will decrease. Instead of creating a comprehensive and perfectly balanced story, we placed greater importance on the four main characters and strived to depict a world seen from their perspective.”

Another topic fielded by Game Informer touched on the later chapters of the game, where things become a lot more linear. This again, according to Tabata, was intentional.

“Based on calculations that the development time and cost would double if the latter half of the game was to be an open-world environment as well, we had already planned to make the latter half more of a journey by vehicle. The structure of this title – to create memories while traveling in the open-world environment during the first half of the game, then have the story move forward linearly using the train in the latter half of the game – was designed and intended to be that way.”

For more from Tabata including the “how and why” behind some of the team’s other unconventional decisions, be sure to check out the March 2017 issue of Game Informer.

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  • Karysonson

    “We didn’t want to create a comprehensive and perfectly balanced story in this game.”

    ….Yeah, ok Tabata. Whatever.

  • Abyss

    “The world and the events that Noctis sees are merely things that are seen through his eyes. We didn’t want to create a comprehensive and perfectly balanced story in this game. Instead, we placed importance on the main characters and for the player and Noctis to share the same experience when we tell the story.”

    It’s okay if they just decided to prioritize because they didn’t have much time, but if it was down to “artistic choice” this is such bullsh*t.

  • Niall

    “We didn’t want to create a comprehensive and perfectly balanced story in this game.” hahahaha

  • Stonespear

    Yeah, that didn’t sit well with me either.

  • Nick Greeley

    What a piss-poor excuse. I love this game to death, but there is no denying how poorly handled this story was. I hope that everyone is very blunt on the survey.

  • stevenm281

    FF was never about one character only, its about the whole package..

    Now its time to fix this FF15 team!

    Give us the epic FF15 it has the potential to be!

    “We didn’t want to create a comprehensive and perfectly balanced story in this game.”
    What kind of lame development is this? You’re not a beginner nor an indie developper, you’re Square Enix for fuck sake!

  • Zach Hagler

    I swear every time he tries to justify what he did to Final Fantasy XV’s story, he kind of makes it worse. There’s really nothing left to say about it at this point. What’s done is done. Tabata-san time to take a page out of Tetsuya Nomura’s book and just stay silent. Lol

  • NovumZero

    I’ve said this before, You don’t say “The events of the game are seen through Noctis eyes. It’s intentional” but then have a separate scene in game that showed the Niflhiem Army Characters like Verstael and so on negotiating. That isn’t from Noctis’ point of view, you just left us hanging and their development were incomplete. As well as the Luna and Ravus scene. These are not from his point of view.

  • Zach Hagler

    What’s even more odd is the scenes involving Luna and Ravus were told to Noctis by characters WHO WEREN’T EVEN PRESENT WHEN IT FREAKING HAPPENED!! Well unless they were just standing around somewhere off screen and happened to overhear it. ( Heck the NPC’s probably heard more about was going on in the story than we did. )

  • Niall

    Re release it next year as : Final Fantasy XV Final Mix 😉 They owe us that for being such willys about it

  • Niall

    Make it half price too I ain’t paying another 60 for that ish

  • NovumZero

    Yeah man you are right, Tabata needs to stop talking. He only makes himself look worse.

  • Luke Watts

    Nice try….
    Either they’re lying, or… no wait, they’re lying.

  • Luke Watts

    Thought this right away

  • popo123

    Tabata, just stop making excuses and just stay far away from story development in any Final Fantasy game from now on. Just help with the gameplay mechanics and dev team since you’re a much better asset in that department.

  • James

    Congrats Tabata. You succeeded in delivering a terrible form of storytelling which led to a very underwhelming plot.

  • alef321

    intentional direction?
    so he is a crap director.

  • stevenm281

    at least story-wise

  • Morgan

    Translation: My experimentation on the game’s story was a failure. I had too many tight deadlines to meet and therefore skinned the story to it’s bare bones. However, because the corporate suits are breathing down my neck, I’m going to pretend that it was an intentional “artsy” decision.

    What offends me is that Square fails to see how special this game is. The lore and characters were amazing. If they had fleshed it out, it would be the best Final Fantasy of all time. This was the WORST game to be “experimenting” with.

  • Adam Hedquist

    This is so embarrasing……….So much bs.

  • Rivershield

    He’s just giving excuses for leting the game unfinished. Maybe it isn’t his fault at all, given the fact that the higher ups of Square Enix woudn’t allow him to say “well, the game is indeed unfinished due to X and Y reasons”.
    Yet, I can’t help but want to punch someone in the face.

    This game just had so much potential… I hope that what he’s saying doesn’t mean he will not try to fix it through updates and DLCs.

  • xMysticx

    so much cringe worthy moments in there
    please stop trolling the fans you are making yourself a laughable matter for centuries….

    damn it man this is so bs ….. and there is still people chewing this ?? ……

  • Adam Hedquist

    ”What offends me is that Square fails to see how special this game is.
    The lore and characters were amazing. If they had fleshed it out, it
    would be the best Final Fantasy of all time. This was the WORST game to
    be “experimenting” with.”

    Completely agree. The ideas and concepts of Versus was so special and even if XV threw away some of it, it still had the potential to be the greatest FF. They had everything they needed story wise. Nomura should’ve stayed as director imo.

    Kingsglaive was another huge mistake. They could’ve done it so easy for themselves and make a long epic cutscene for the game and showed the original opening where Noctis and his friends are escaping the invasion. And used all the cool and beautiful cutscenes they showed in earlier trailers (kid Noctis eating with his father for example or sitting in his car thinking about his childhood memories of Luna) but no. And Luna that we was told to be a better character than Stella? I wouldn’t care about it if Luna was actually a well developed character but she wasn’t at all.

  • Joao Victor

    HahahaHahahaHahahaHahahaHahahaHahaha!

    ” We didn’t want to create a comprehensive and perfectly balanced story in this game”

    Tabata is a joker!

  • DairyQueen_DQ

    I kinda blame square enix for throwing so many titles when they were trying to make or showing ff15. they gave tetsuya nomura too many titles to handle. hajime tabata had to replace him because of the other titles they were planning to release in the foreseeable future,

    during the production or having ideas of final fantasy/ versus 13, tetsuya had to help with a lot of titles like Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy (ff13 series and type-0), kh series being remastered, kh3, ff7 remake. Each director should just focus on one video game.

    I kinda feel bad for hajime tabata. He did the best he can but the only thing he’s good at is with portable games. i like how tabata did crisis core and ff agito (another name before they switched to type-0).

  • Adam Hedquist

    Ye I don’t think It’s all on Tabata..I mean he too has to obey the higher ups.

    SE shot themselves in the foot by having so many titles in the works at the same time and even announcing them too early was a huge mistake.

    Nomura should have stayed and they should’ve let him make his vision and ideas come true and given him all the time he needed for it bc it was something special.

  • Casper

    I got a better idea, how about a Final Fantasy Versus XV(Versus XIII remake) Trilogy on the PS4, Xbox One, and Steam

  • Wazi the pa

    Unfortunately, that focus doesn’t justify much of Noctis’ romantic relationship with Luna. Actually, it doesn’t justify a lot of things in the game’s story.

    Regardless of the development team’s incentive behind the approach, the game abruptly skipped necessary context to truly establish an effective emotional reaction and/or attachment from the player (me). Besides caring for the bond between Noctis & crew, I couldn’t care enough for his ties with Regis (his father), Luna (the woman he loves ‘apparently’) and other emotionally-important characters.

    Final Fantasy is known to be a treasure chest of that kind of information and is also known for conveying it through a convincing matter. Despite the reasoning Tabata has provided, I’m still disappointed in FFXV’s story.

  • Andrew Brown

    LOL! AND FFXV FANBOYS STILL WANNA DEFEND THE GAME! XD

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  • Artemis Polara

    That’ll never happen

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  • Artemis Polara

    Saying you didn’t intend to make a good story on purpose doesn’t justify anything. I’ll understand the costs of the second open world zones doubling shit up but do not tell me that making shit happen off screen and making it not as good as it could be makes us okay with it.
    I enjoy this game a lot but that’s fucking stupid.

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  • Eyoi

    Jesus christ, every time he speaks he makes it even worse.

  • Artemis Polara

    You know what, patch all that missing story in now so it can be that perfectly balanced story! You got the part you wanted done, now give us what we want.

  • DimariaXV

    At least you can´t say that they didn´t take a bold route.

  • stevenm281

    STOP SPAMMING THE DAMN PETITION FOR FUCK SAKE

  • James Stine

    I’m going through and deleting every single one of your replies that contains this petition link. I understand fully that you’re upset and want to do something about it, but actively avoiding the anti-spam measures that Disqus puts in place to prevent this is NOT the way to do it.

  • Artemis Polara

    exactly! I apparently had my version of that taken down my moderators when I tried to post it.

  • stevenm281

    I’m blocking him! I don’t want to deal with this shit.

  • stevenm281

    Thank you so much!

  • Artemis Polara

    same

  • DimariaXV

    How do I block? I need to do this!

  • stevenm281

    Same line than our name, complete opposite to the right, press the arrow, you’ll have the option to Block user or Flag his comment.

  • DimariaXV

    Thank you sir.

  • stevenm281

    You’re welcome!

  • Artemis Polara

    If only they’d released the survey AFTER this. I would’ve told them to patch in the rest of the story they intentionally left out.

  • stevenm281

    You could always complete the survey again!

  • Artemis Polara

    I’m not going to do that. That’s being dishonest.

  • Codes McGodes

    Bullshit. There are several scenes in the game where Noctis isn’t at all present between Luna and Ravus, Luna and Gentiana, The Emperor and his cronies, etc. it’s a shit story and they just keep making excuses for it.

  • stevenm281

    changing point of view would be, but simply adding more arguments isnt.

  • Artemis Polara

    it’s a matter of sending in more than one survey in general. I’m only one person and I sent in my one. I won’t cheat by sending in two.

  • stevenm281

    Would it truly be more dishonest than how Square Enix played us?

    Anyway, of the 6 millions copies sold, I really doubt they all completed the survey.

  • TNE Vergil

    Partly agree partly disagree. Though people should keep in mind that i doubt many of you could do better, and they can’t please everyone. better luck with the next or a different FF. Haters pls. chill. Just as you defend crap you love, other people are going to defend crap they love.

  • xMysticx

    you keep saying that cause this game right here
    look at the article are you happy with what he answered despite fans putting time to explain why ffxv is broken

    sure it may never happen but his replay is trollish and made it even worse

  • Eyoi

    “I doubt many of you could do better”

    We’re consumers, not game developers. You don’t have to be a game developer to state your criticism of a game just like you don’t have to be a chef to decide whether you dislike food you ordered.

  • Artemis Polara

    The story is character driven but the old adage applies here: “Show, don’t tell.”
    Tabata and the XV team have failed this.
    Certainly they tried to keep it focused on the party but by doing so, we don’t feel as much for the other people and what’s at stake doesn’t feel as interesting.
    I didn’t give a shit when Luna died because they didn’t give her much screen time or character. Outside of Ardyn, the villains felt like wasted potential.
    Now I did understand what was happening but it wasn’t told in a satisfactory manner. They were being contrarian for its own sake when being conventional would’ve been more satisfying.
    We do have hindsight now to claim this stuff but as I stated before: “Show, don’t tell.” is important for a reason.

  • Artemis Polara

    *reply
    You know I’m not happy with his answer either unless you didn’t read what I posted above.

  • DairyQueen_DQ

    You can’t really blame tabata that much. I blame square enix higher ups for giving tetsuya nomura too many projects to handle during the development of ff15. he had to move away so he can please everyone with ff7 remake and kingdom hearts 3.

  • Artemis Polara

    I’m aware of that and have flung that exact argument at Tabata haters and Versus enthusiasts. However his statement here is more insulting by stating he intentionally cut much of the story out which would’ve added more context and deeper appreciation for the rest of the cast.
    If I remember correctly, they mentioned (before the game came out) (I think) they might do a Luna DLC episode. And if it was before, they knew people wouldn’t care for her and were coming up with ideas to fix it even back then.

  • xMysticx

    i didnt read it

  • Artemis Polara

    then scroll up slightly and read it

  • xMysticx

    See , i keep telling it needs a reboot it needs a reboot let people make their voice heard look now its beyond fix and patching
    its an insult to every ff fan

  • Regal Judge of Wings

    This is the worst explanation I’ve ever read. What good does a focus on “main characters” do when they have no purpose or no history (a.k.a a STORY)? And what main characters were focused on? We only have Noctis. The rest are basically cardboard filler characters with wasted potential. Ravus, the emperor, Cor, Luna. Jesus, please Square enix, just move on.

  • Heropon

    Damage control for his Horrible sense of Story creation from Tabata . You know if you want to play make this kind of story , other character story must be playable just like Star Ocean 2 when you can see both side of story happen

  • Horizonx

    I have no more excuses for this dumbass, thanks for ruining such a loveable cast of great designed characters. R.I.P Luna, Cor, Iedolas, Regis, Aranea, Iris and Jared.
    Legit want to punch his face.

  • Eyoi

    Eh, Jared didn’t need any more exposure but I agree with the rest.

  • Vallen

    This is such a load of bs. My God. Fix the game’s story, I learned more from youtubers and reddit than from playing the game..

  • Horizonx

    Square don’t give a fuck about characters and lore that you and me like, only thing they care is – money. Now they probably laughing at everyone who bought this game.

  • VI Sice

    I’m not trying to be one of those morons who spew hate on this game for its flaws and whatnot, but it’s hard to ignore what’s been so shoved into our faces; FFXV turned out to be a mess. I tried so hard to love it, even remotely like it, and while the lore and characters are very interesting, it wasn’t executed well at all. I do believe Tabata is now making excuses. I imagine there are a lot of reasons for why things turned out the way they did. My opinion, I think they wanted to scrap the whole Versus idea, down to the characters even from the beginning. But because the fans were expecting to hear something about it year after year, increasingly growing angrier, SE felt they had to deliver. And it ended up being a mess. No matter what would’ve happened, from the start, when Nomura left, Versus/XV should’ve been completely wiped clean and a new concept created for FFXV. While it isn’t one specific person’s fault, or group, no one wins. Like I said just a mess.

    What we should do, is give our constructive criticism, which they seem to understand we were upset about the lack of story (despite the poor excuse for it), and just hope SE learns from this mistake and moves on to give the community something better to look forward to. We’ve got Nier: Automata coming in a month, KHIII on the horizon, just hope these might redeem SE. I’m still holding out hope. The rest of you should, too.

  • Andrew Brown

    Awww look! The FFXV fanboy is feeling butthurt that we exposed his game xD

  • Artemis Polara

    please keep things civil

  • Ray Muñoz

    I think this cements that Tabata, while at least getting the game out, wound up butchering the story.

  • Andrew Brown

    When they made me waste $60 on this game? I should calm down? These guys been making video games for a long time. They should know what they did wrong.

  • Ray Muñoz

    Thank you! I can’t stand when people try to say stuff like that!

  • Doesntwork247

    First person point of view storytelling is fine, it’s just that SE fucked up the execution. As first person POV, We are suppose to feel what Noctis is feeling and know what he is thinking, but nope. everything is third person. nothing internal. the couple scenes where we do know what he feels is when he say it out loud, like on the train or on the throne. so we see the world over Noctis’ shoulder but not as Noctis. how can we connect with the character?

    If SE just stuck with a first person POV, but add in his feelings and memories about things, everything would be great. for example:
    – when he hears about the fall of Insomnia and death of his father, at least fucking give us a flashback of why he should give a damn about the old man. have that VersusXIII dining room scene or something. along his journey he should have a few more flashbacks about the old man too.
    – when receiving Luna’s reply, have more flashbacks so players understand why they have such a strong relationship. It would be also a great place to contrast his outward attitude with the bros about the wedding to his internal yearning about seeing Luna again and be together. show us more flashbacks of their childhood with Umbra and Pryna, with young Ravus etc. this would also be a perfect place to have Luna explain to Noctis more in depth about the lore and politics of Eos, so we don’t have to read it off of a guide
    – show us how he come to term with his destiny inside the crystal. don’t just skip 10 years and boom he is a changed man.
    – show scenes of the atrocities commited by Niflheim and how Noctis feels about it. i mean seriously, if weren’t for that one scene of Aldercapt talking to Ravus at camp (the scene Noctis shouldn’t have seen if the game is suppose to be seen from his POV…), we won’t even know what Aldercapt looks like in the game!

  • Artemis Polara

    I’m saying don’t be so hostile to other people here. Feel free to show your ire to SE though.

  • Horizonx

    I also think he said that as a future excuse to not deliver more cutscenes with side characters development, since its from “Noctis point of view”.
    Remember that statement in roadmap updates, when he said that they want to add more cutscenes? I think he is already forgot about that, he don’t even bother to mention it at last ATR.

    Embrace fucking power rangers outfits, and so much necessary time limited hunts, its truly will help the game. Just holy fuck.

  • xMysticx

    ughh we actually did ?
    and we got this replay ?, the lore in vs13/xv was amazing but tabata didnt keep all of it intact he wanted HIS OWN game

  • NewestType

    I’m glad the game focuses on playing rather than telling.

  • VI Sice

    I know, I took the survey as well and gave my opinions on the lack of story. I guess what I meant was that we should continue to do so, but not act like children throwing a tantrum while we do it. Because that won’t accomplish anything.

  • Horizonx

    Should atleast show how he got killed in front of his grandson, would make alot more impact.

  • xMysticx

    you kidding right? holy fuck on this gen players
    FF elements were on telling bro wth with you?…..

  • xMysticx

    give it a rest my friend he wont listen and think his own telling is perf that ive been telling people it should have a reboot from the original storytelling.
    but, everyone laugh at my face

    just look at the result now

  • This Guy

    I’m so glad that the dev team didn’t focus on element that is the reason Final Fantasy is as big as it is today, the damn story.

  • NewestType

    Well, traditionally. No. FF elements were and are magic summons and items. As well as the battle system. FF is always focused on the battle systems and using them to your advantage. It is a game after all. And if you include kingsglaive there is more story told. But I prefer game play mech over story.

  • NewestType

    Not really ffs battle system is its bread and butter. As well as the overarching themes.

  • Andrew Brown

    You aren’t an actual FINAL FANTASY fan if you prefer something else over the story.

  • This Guy

    Yep that is how I prefer my stories. Not in my game and in a separate movie instead you have to purchase separately.

  • NewestType

    Well, technically, I didn’t say I prefer it in the movie. I said I prefer game play over story.

  • This Guy

    So you think Final Fantasy is as big as it is today because of the battle system and not it’s ability to tell a story, create a world, and a usually colorful cast of memorable characters? Okay.

  • xMysticx

    wlep……i dont anymore the new fans of xv the hideous open world or ff13 mans that just suck lightning so much 13 and 15 are the worst

  • NewestType

    Exactly. FF 1 was a hit at the time and lacked many of that. Take FF8 which was sold at the time as a love story. The story of love is actually not told well. But the battle system is amazing.

  • NewestType

    Well in all fairness x-2 is very similar to chronological trigger which came out at the same time as ff4. They even share the same development team. That’s why the game play is more bearable.

  • xMysticx

    dude you are special case …….1st time ive heard someone plays just for the sake of playing

  • This Guy

    Final Fantasy 1 had a really good and deep story for the time and limitation of the cartridge it was on. At least in FF1 something didn’t happen on the side, you experienced everything. Lich of the Earth Crystal didn’t die off screen and you get a phone call saying he is dead and the crystal is activated. You were part of it, you experienced it.

    The battle system is definitely an element of FF’s success, but if you believe that alone is what makes FF what it is, then we are done here.

  • xMysticx

    THANK YOU !!!!
    AND ITS ABOUT CRYSTALS !!! <333

  • NewestType

    Yeah I’ve been gaming since atari so I’m kinda a gaming freak. I can get better story from comic books tbh.

  • Artemis Polara

    Rare occasion but you and I are on the same side here. (Though I still like XV)
    The FF series is more about the characters and story. The battle system is a tertiary part of it (though still very important)

  • NewestType

    That’s fine if you think that. I’m fine being done. It’s funny that people claim I’m not a fan when I just spent 3 days ripping 100s of game soundtracks. Ff included.

  • Horizonx

    Why do you think Overwatch is so popular for example? Tabata was trying to pander to that audience.
    Just imagine that, another dudebro get back to home after work:
    “Huh, its time to play so FFXV”
    >spend next 3-5 hours doing meaningless fetch quests and hunts.
    “Nice game!”

  • Sir Barbón

    “We didn’t want to create a comprehensive and perfectly balanced story in this game.” ???

  • xMysticx

    ikr ….sad

  • Eyoi

    You aren’t a true Final Fantasy fan because you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about if you think FF’s battle systems are why it is where it is today LOL.

  • NewestType

    Are you gonna take my card away?

  • NewestType

    It’s not that some them aren’t decent. It’s just,like, been there dine that kinda story.

  • This Guy

    To defend him, how exactly do you define a FF fan? People can have their own reasons for enjoying the game. His perspective is certainly odd, but because he enjoys it differently doesn’t make him less or more a fan.

  • xMysticx

    ikr

  • NewestType

    He’s not the first to say that. I don’t mind. But I enjoy most games that way. I don’t expect to be wowed by the story. Esp since there’s so many foretells leading up to release.

  • Eyoi

    I agree.

  • Eyoi

    I didn’t say you can’t have an opinion. You can enjoy whatever you want to enjoy. But the fact of the matter is that the entire series wasn’t built of its battle systems. There are some highly rated Final Fantasies with pretty average battle systems such as FFIX/FFX and both are highly rated because of their stories. Just because you have an opinion on something doesn’t make it a fact. Final Fantasy is literally known for its stories and characters.

  • Alice Campos

    I don’t know if that’s a poor excuse or really bad execution, ’cause there’s still quite a few cutscenes outside of Noctis’ perspective

  • 2me

    Today I failed to finish my homework which was 10% but my own morale wasn’t down like other times, because if I do that again I will be getting too much of stress and I probably end up like other times that I failed. When I was a kid I was getting way better records when my trainer said it was just a game than when he said it was competition. Since I am that kind of person I know how it feel, stuck with ‘you didn’t did well’ or ‘you were wrong’. We all know Tabata is getting decent amount of negative feedback and he probably get too much stress to the point where he’s even denying the part that is true. Or it could be just the decision from Suits. Anyway my point is.. false ads are wrong, cop out is wrong, but too many Omega Forks to him could matters, not meaning it is okay to release game like or negative feedbacks have to be cleansed, not at all, meaning constructive communication is important because he is also one of us who can be damaged by Omega Fork

  • Randy

    Wow. Im starting to think that they really all just a lazy bunch and not because they have to make an incomplete game. If we take example, FFX is the same.. a story based from Tidus’s prespective and did we complain about the story?

    Seriously wtf SE? Why you botched your own god damn games?

  • bitman

    Ok, I was looking all over the GameInformer site and NOWHERE, and I repeat, NOWHERE did I see an article even mentioning FFXV for the past few days. So, either NC somehow got their hands on this juicy interview that not even GI knows about… or this is just a clickbait bullshit article and NC is de-evolving into THAT kind of website, which honestly, with the amount of shit people that are coming to this website, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

  • Zenos71

    By all means, yes, battle system needs to be fun first and foremost. But when i comes to ff, the story has to be just as great. I’ll go as far as to say that FF12 had a better story. Thats saying a lot especially since Vann was the main character and had little to nothing to do with the overall plot.

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    “It was bad on purpose!” Hahaha holy shit, you can’t make this stuff up. It was totally all intentional guys. The fact that they patched in critical plot cutscenes post-launch was part of this masterful strategy.

  • bitman

    Actually yeah, you CAN make this stuff up. Go to GameInformer and search for this article. You will NOT find it.
    Don’t trust everything you read, kid.

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    Well if it were made up, that would be egg on my face, although I’m not sure what they would achieve.

  • 2me

    There is an article about this by Joe Juba, you have to sub their magazine, it is on 2017 March Issue which came out this month, starting from page 22

  • bitman

    Oh, thanks for the info. Sucks though, but well, hoping that everything comes up well in the end.

  • stevenm281

    you do realize its from the Magazine, not the website right?

    Nice try to make NC look like fools.

  • Eyoi

    For more from Tabata including the “how and why” behind some of the team’s other unconventional decisions, be sure to check out the March 2017 issue of Game Informer.

  • bitman

    It seems that it was real, but I still don’t get the whole thing, like, “not a comprehensible and perfectly balanced story”? it seems waaaay too farfetched to me. I think there’s something more out of this whole story. Kinda like that time that people thought that he meant that they needed to sell 10 million copies to break even. I guess we’ll have to wait and see just what exactly went down.

  • bitman

    Yeah, I’ve seen that, but it is kinda hard for me to check the magazine, seeing that I can’t actually subscribe to them from here, guess I’ll have to wait for the article responses.

  • bitman

    Yup, just found out a few moments ago. But I still think that whole thing is… off, like we’re missing something here. I’ll hold my judgement till we get the whole picture.

  • keef

    Mission accomplished.

  • stevenm281

    yet, the thing that is “off” as you put it, is on Square Enix and Tabata’s part, not NC, so you should at least apologize to them for trying to make them look like amateurs creating clickbaits articles, which they would never do, they are way more professional than this.

  • Randy Marsh

    Eh, I’m a bit skeptical on a lot of these interviews with Tabata now. Each time a new one of these interviews comes out, I just face palm. I get it, he wants to be a people pleaser, but sometimes you can’t please everyone and eventually you dig yourself a deeper ditch. Idk, they should just go back to FFXII’s format, semi-open world and have a good story.

    Idk, I shall reserve judgment for the complete patch version still.

  • stevenm281

    I don’t mind big zones like in FF12, but I still want an overworld for the airship, not a menu selection of destination.

  • Origami Rose

    he lost me on balanced story.

  • Ajsan Aje

    “The world and the events that Noctis sees are merely things that are
    seen through his eyes. We didn’t want to create a comprehensive and
    perfectly balanced story in this game”

    LOL.

    So every time an incomplete/poorly executed movie/game comes out, the director can use those lines to excuse flaws in the art form, rather than seeking to improve. Either a handful of fans have made him believe majority are really that stupid, or he’s lost his touch.

    This was the last S.E game I’d purchase brand new/digital.

  • WindSplash

    BS! They did the same excuse with the wreck of FFXIII They always excuse it with – game was right and you are wrong – or some other crap like this.

    Gee I dont know, maybe if he hadnt changed the story and characters things would have worked? This was HIS fault because he meddled with an already finished and prepared story.

    So he ruined an already good storie on porpuse?

    wathever the answer is, no wonder Nomura was so pissed.

  • WindSplash

    Maybe square should have let Nomura finish his own game dont you think?

  • Celestia Ludenberg

    Shit like this just makes me wish it stayed as Versus XIII and continued with that direction.

    this man meddled too much.

  • Rowe

    It’s not the narritive or the presentation of the story, the story itself is bad, think about it.

  • This Guy

    Thing is, the story could be good if we actually got to see things or actually have character development. I have a hard time believing this is what they wanted to do when so many things they showed ended up not being in the game. Like the scene in the trailer Regis holding a child Noctis in his arms or the 4 main characters fighting in Insomnia at the beginning. I have such a hard time believing that time constraints didn’t influence the decision to make this sloppy storytelling of a game. Using the excuse it is all from Noctis’s perspective. Its a poor excuse to not have a full fledged story and Tabata isn’t fooling anyone.

    Even if this was Noctis’s perspective, it was still horribly handled.

  • Versus XIII only consists of a set of trailers and vague lines about the setting. The first 3 chapters of FFXV already have more info and details about the lore than all of the trailers combined.

    Where was it said that Versus’ story was finished and prepared? Not in the Ultimania, I’m sure, as even Nomura mentions it there. lol

  • xMysticx

    wlep , and people still shit on nomura calling him lazy and cant direct
    look at xv now is it good ? i am vs13 supporter ive been saying that for long but people call me weeb for stating the clear

    if you you wanna kill a franchise you have tabata ……. fuck my life i will never see the true story

  • rubikjazz

    BULL FUCKING SHIT.

  • xMysticx

    no all story was finished in 2011 with nojima …..

  • Alekber Aliev

    I really really hope that a printed version of this thread is already on all SE c-levels’ desk,

  • You do know that they brought another (the third, actually) writer once they decided to change it to FFXV, to finish the script and set the direction of the game, right?

    What Nojima and Nomura had was the rough idea (as Nomura simply made the trailers as he imagined it, but Nojima still made the original draft while there were trailers even before the date you mention… lol). They based the script on that, but it was never finished.

    What Itamuro did was take the original draft for Nojima, take certain elements, and rewrite the story. Whatever Nojima and Nomura had, it was never completed. It’s Nomura himself who says in the Ultimania that Nojima and Itamuro completed the script after so much hard work on their part.

    Inform yourself before stating things with no basis.

  • Heropon

    Well , they decide to burn the guy who invent FF 12 fomula ( which also invent ATB and many amazing gameplay for SE) so i dont think they will ever want to go back to that format

  • Artemis Polara

    Could I get a link? I’m not doubting you at all but I like reading these sorts of things. Thanks 🙂

  • CallMeGod

    In other words they wanted to sell us an incomplete piece of garbage game and charge us more money for cut story content as DLC. LMAO and people say he was the savior of FF15.

  • xMysticx

    *”You do know that they brought another (the third, actually) writer once they decided to change it to FFXV, to finish the script and set the direction of the game, right?”*

    the bitch dissidia writer that butchered it i know it wasnt an idea it was full complete trilogy script that got cramed in to 1 PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE THING PLEASE WTF

    how did she butchered it if she has only draft but not the original script ? ya crazy ?

  • xMysticx

    okey fine give me a link or wont take that as valid
    seems you people still wanna shit on nomura no matter what

  • Once again, where it was said that the draft (oh, god, a fucking draft… lol) was “completed”? Where?

    Like I said, its Nomura himself on the Ultimania who says that Nojima and Itamuro “…finally finished the script after so much hard work on their part. The whole team gave it’s best to create a compelling story…”, blah, blah, blah…

    The Versus XIII script is as complete as you can prove it to be. FFXV story being bad has nothing to do with a draft that wasn’t finished in the first place.

  • xMysticx

    yuuuuuuup, tabata for you and only made it worse

  • xMysticx

    link ?

  • Ultimania Scenario. There are a lot of scans from the Q&A section, which includes Nomura, Nojima, Nozue, Tabata and other staff.

    But, of course, most people here only repeat what others say.

  • stevenm281

    sounds more like PR talk.

    it was confirmed to be initially a trilogy, and Tabata, when switched to XV, had to rewrite it as a one game only.

  • Artemis Polara

    Yeah, I was just hoping you had a link to the translation of that section 😛

  • Yes, I’m expecting a link from you where Tabata, Nomura or Nojima say that their draft, I repeat, draft, was finished, and not just saying they think the game could be a trilogy.

    On the other hand, I have 6 pages from the Ultimania with Nomura and Nojima answering questions. Anything else?

  • xMysticx

    link me to believe you
    otherwise i cant take you serious
    you want me to link you ?

    even ffunion said in nojimas 5 facts that he finished the script for vs13 and dissidia writer butchered it after taking a the ok

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xQHuG0SYnw&t=3s

    see all the video til the end

  • Ressan Sharif

    Let’s be real here, we know that they ran out of time but as the game’s director and an employee of SE, Tabata will never say that. This is the PR department at work, and like every other company they will never admit there are critical issues with the game until XVI is gonna come out so they can go “we heard your feedback, XVI is gonna avoid ____ issue”.

  • Ressan Sharif

    That’s not for you to decide.

  • Nobody is shitting on Nomura. The guy didn’t even do anything at all. lol

    Use your head a bit, and notice how, even in what you posted before about “the script being finished in 2011 as a full trilogy”, doesn’t even make sense with how things happened.

    Did Nomura make trailers, which apparently most people think were full of lore, backstory and character development BEFORE the script was finished in 2011, which was when they barely started thinking where the game was going? It doesn’t make any sense.

    Versus XIII was an incomplete draft at best, and one that wasn’t being worked on until 2012 when they came back to work on the project (hence the new director, new writer, and the evident revision of the story in general).

    Nobody is shitting on Nomura, even though most people are shitting on Tabata just for being the director (while the culprit should actually be Nojima… lol).

  • xMysticx

    she wont link me the 6 pages to read them i know Japanese and she demands stuff ok and she expect me to believe her ……
    people will shit on nomura no matter what ….. look at this article better to see who is fucking around with fanservice

  • xMysticx

    ohhhhhhhh reallyyyyyyyy now nojima ?????
    give me a link to the 6 pages lady im waiting

  • Ressan Sharif

    So he could spend another few years making it? Hogging company resources and burning through money to produce 1 game in a trilogy?

  • Ressan Sharif

    Quite happy with the result.

    Insanely fun combat + beautiful world + interesting main characters (best since VII) + interesting lore = very good game.

    Story execution was meh, but overall I found the game in my top 5 games ever. Believe it or not, XV sold a lot, and was generally well liked.

  • xMysticx

    i just sense you are a tabata supporter well too bad this article everyone laughs at is so cringe worthy

  • Ressan Sharif

    They made it clear as far as 2-3 years ago only half the game was open world right?

  • Ressan Sharif

    I don’t understand why people are getting so upset about what he’s saying in this article. It’s pure PR talk. The man may very well be aware of the game’s flaws but the higher ups certainly won’t want him acknowledging their latest title has narrative issues. Even when he announced the fixes he had to frame it in a positive way.

    XIII had the same issue where they improved upon the game with XIII-2, but they never outright acknowledged the games critical issues.

  • xMysticx

    seems like you wont provide a source sorry lady your statements does not stand unless i see and read with my own eyes . you need to stop tje essays

  • Really? FFUnion? While you know japanese? At this point, I think you are making fun of me and wasting my time.

    “Nojima was hired as the main script writer for FF Versus XIII. His vision remained intact for some time, though following Tabata’s promotion to director, changes had to be made. During this time Nojima offered Tabata his full support in rewritting much of the scenario for FFXV from it’s original script. Leaks or not, we will likely never know how much of Nojima’s original vision ended up in the finished game.”

    So, not even FFUnion says anything from “completed full trilogy, right? And yes, reading between the lines isn’t a valid argument for something like this, as it would be Nojima who is at fault anyway.

    FFUnion… lol

  • Joakim Säwing

    Its weird. A huge studio like SE dont have people who can come up with a decent/good story?
    FF should be all about telling a good story with a great cast of characters. Gameplay and open world was great with XV, but that was it.

  • Eyoi

    I personally thought the open world was completely empty and shallow with little to no interesting side quests to supplement it. They sacrificed the story for an open world and succeeded in neither of them.

  • xMysticx

    i dont have the untimania nor i see it raw online to translate all i see its pits and pieces if you wont provide them then you need to stop the essays

  • Oh, so I’m the one making essays when your own video doesn’t even mention anything about Itamura, while it only mentions Nojima. And of course, it also doesn’t even mention anything about a full trilogy.

    http://imgur.com/a/KdfyU

    I can post the whole Q&A section there, or some of the captions from the Ultimania, but at this point your comments seem blatant shitposting. Try again.

  • I’m not? I’m just saying that you are wrong. Whatever Tabat did, or didn’t do, is irrelevant.

  • xMysticx

    you are avoiding my request so i disclose my talk with you
    you can go scream all you want

  • What? The trilogy thing? It doesn’t matter. What I asked from the other user was evidence of Nojima, or anyone really, saying that the “finished script” was one for a supossed “game trilogy”.

    The user didn’t provide it.

  • lol

    Yeah, sure. Ignore the imgur link from before. But yes, please don’t waste my time, then.

  • xMysticx

    yeah sure whatever
    you can go scream somewhere else then

  • xMysticx

    i dont understand people when they say ” over world is great ”
    i dont get that can you tell me what makes it so great ?

  • Artemis Polara

    Before I leave this “interesting” comment section for the night. I decided to read this stuff:
    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1323493
    I know many have read these but it does shed more light than Tabata’s irritating attempt at damage control.
    Personally after reading that stuff, I’d like them to finish or re-add all the cut content.

  • Artemis Polara

    So Stella was supposed to die early on 😐 (Kind of reminds me of the Omen trailer)
    Ravus’s douchness made a bit more sense in the old version I guess.

  • xMysticx

    lol good morning my fella
    1st time you read this ? it exploded on yt

  • Artemis Polara

    I sort of glanced through it before last month but didn’t really think too much of it at the time.

  • xMysticx

    all that shit is true just take your time to see through

  • Artemis Polara

    I read through each one and now I remember I used that as my evidence before for XV not having enough time to finish and why I didn’t blame Tabata since the time limit was put on him by the SE higher ups.
    Of course the current article doesn’t help him much.
    I’m just going to hope that by the end of the year (or end of next year) they add in all the unfinished content.
    I won’t go with the childish route of reboot Versus since that would take too long and we all know SE will never do it. (Go make your own RPG maker version if you want to do something with it)

  • xMysticx

    ive said it once and i repeat it again to fix the mess it needs a reboot with the original intentions tabata wants his own game so he is projecting with the wrong game

    unless this happens or we may never know

  • Artemis Polara

    I feel the concept of #FixXV is more realistic than #RebootVersus
    And that bit about Tabata is just assumptions. Also the whole end bit with the afterlife in the section that was about Versus apparently means Noctis was going to likely die even then so the whole “Tabata likes killing his cast” was something carried over from Nomura.

  • xMysticx

    but, its nomuras game and its unfair to leave it that way it needs a reboot if we fix this shit its beyond fixing
    even nomura himself didnt praise tabata whatsoever .. he went out pissed the poor guy

    if tabata wanted his new ip branch out in the company and do so instead of fucking on others

    tabata brangs on wadas invetation to him when he begged nomura to join the team

  • Artemis Polara

    But none of that is Tabata’s fault. The higher ups put him in that position and took Nomura off of the game. Also it was obvious Nomura wouldn’t want to talk about XV. He came up with it and was taken off of it against his own will. So no matter what, it was obvious he was just salty about the situation.
    XV needed another year or two of development to have everything done.

    But of course Tabata doing this PR stuff isn’t helping him. Of course I don’t think he could keep his job by saying “We dun fukt up.”

  • xMysticx

    walp , agree on the last sentence

  • Artemis Polara

    Could just explain how it’s Tabata’s fault he wasn’t given enough time to finish a game of that scope on an unfinished game engine, and compress 3 games into 1. I’d love to hear your thoughts on it.
    Also you can’t say it was because Nomura should’ve done it. That’s off the table.

  • danlei88

    Sounds like buncha PR malarkey to me. That or his ability to direct should be called into question.

  • Artemis Polara

    given the evidence, I think it’s the former

  • danlei88

    Yeah it makes more sense from SE’s perspective to say everything went according to plan. It is a holding company, after all.

  • InfernoCommander

    I’m not really sure, because he directed Crisis Core and Type-0. Type-0 was okay, but Crisis Core was beautiful. That’s not to say though, the direction they went with the latter half of FFXV was a fuck up.

  • xMysticx

    actually , nojima did the script with nomura in 2011 and said to be finished but that dissidia writer had to fuck it up
    the engine was in dev stages and needed more time to dev

    i can say 2006 trailer was to early announced and if you know nomura he takes his time and not only that he directs kh3 too so kinda i see people calling him as shitty director all he is not good at is deadlines and cant cope sometimes with pressure
    but he is a storyteller can slay it if given the chance

  • danlei88

    I liked both CC and Type-0. There were some issues with them if you want to be cynical about it. But both games impacted me in some way, which is always great.

    XV suffered from the development hell. Personally I don’t blame Tabata about it. You just can’t really publicly call your product a failure. It is not a wise business strategy to crap on your products. That’s why it’s better to just see what they do with their next games rather than listen to what they are saying.

  • Artemis Polara

    Except he’s admitted before that he thinks of cool stuff before story. So it’s mostly about Nomura trying to be style with Nojima trying to figure out how to make it fit within a story.
    Now I’m not going to talk about the time it takes him to make a game since that’s just Nomura in general. Also that script for Versus (given the timeframe was likely meant for the trilogy which means, of course, they had to trim it down for a single game)

  • Noctis

    you got it wrong, the even sacrificed the main guys

  • xMysticx

    Also that script for Versus (given the timeframe was likely meant for the trilogy which means, of course, they had to trim it down for a single game)

    exactly but that writer tho …………..

  • Artemis Polara

    Exactly, they couldn’t follow the original trilogy script for a single game and Nojima was obviously busy on KH3 and VIIR.

  • Artemis Polara

    No follow up? Did… Did you concede that point to me? I am very amused now.

  • xMysticx

    actually , im tired of replaying
    and that woman who said she has 6 pages about the versus 13 script is lying and ive asked even my Japanese friend they all confirm that

    something as she climes is false or with wrong source there no such thing in the ultimania

  • Artemis Polara

    My argument wasn’t about the concept of Versus or the script being finished. Only that regardless of it being done, it was meant for a trilogy. So it was unusable for a single game that they intended not to have sequels for.

  • xMysticx

    and thats what im trying to highlight its trilogy just as you said but to cram it in 1 game the character dev had to be thrown out and they focus on ”overworld” and ”quests ” too much that there little to nothing in the game

  • Third World Tristan

    Defending this lying hack shows that you’re a blinded fanboy. Donwvote all you want – you will never downvote the truth!

  • xMysticx

    ikr lmao!!

  • Artemis Polara

    Which, based on that article, was simply because they had no time to do it all.
    Also the open world element was always a part of it so I don’t consider that a valid reason.
    If they’d used an already completed and had a bit more time. It would’ve turned out better.
    So yeah, the overworld itself isn’t a problem to me. They just need to add more to do on it.
    The quests I’ll agree need quite a bit of work. They need to be a bit more involved than the usual fetch or kill quests.
    Also I’ll agree on character development. But all of this still highlights the lack of time. If they did try to keep it all in, the game would’ve had to be as linear as XIII all the way through (Emphasis on “ALL THE WAY”)
    They knew people would be pissed about that much linearity (though didn’t stop the second half of the game) so they gave us the fairly open first half. I say fairly because it still is locked in certain ways.

  • Third World Tristan

    CC and Type-0 are directed poorly, but they still work because they are mobile games where you don’t put so much thought into it and just mindlessly play quick mission on the go.

    That’s why Type-0 was hot on PSP, but it got flak on PS4. When people sit in front of a big screen and have more time to think about the game in front of them, all the shit from Tabata comes out vividly.

  • Artemis Polara

    I’m just going to guess that was aimed at me since I’m the only one who’s technically defending (Though I’m going with that they didn’t have enough time) even though I also said Tabata remarks here were fucking stupid.

  • Alibaba035

    I love Crisis Core, but I feel like it has some of the same narrative issues XV did towards the end. Some things just sort of just happened, and the story constricted in almost the exact same way, XV was just a little bit less subtle with hiding what had to be cut

    Zack and Cloud heading to Midgar was supposedly meant to be more fleshed out, but was cut due to storage constraints, XV I guess is subjective but it just seems like they only got the bare minimum done of what was intended with the last few chapters. I did love chapter 13 but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was made as long as it was to add hours onto the story. I mean 11 and 12 took like 20 minutes each tops.

  • xMysticx

    well , and lack of staff also since toriyamas wifu needs 2 more games so they took nomuras staff god damn it man if they put vs13 1st and stop with the lightning waifu… i serously blame toriyama for that like wtf

    did you know ff1 to ff10 were linear but not as much as the hallways 13 was lol !!!

  • Third World Tristan

    I don’t even remember your nick. It was directed at people who let their emotions cloud their judgement. Final Fantasy is a great series and I want Square Enix to return to its form, but Tabata is a lying hack and FFXV is a very poorly directed and designed game, so instead of pretending everything is fine because it sold well, let’s get down to earth.

  • Artemis Polara

    I’ve played those games so I know that. Also Toriyama only took the staff for XIII. XIII-2 and XIII-3 were developed by Tri-Ace.

  • xMysticx

    uhohh correction!! only the battle system devalopped by triace

  • xMysticx

    please just stop defending tabata it makes me cringe and also the man who loves his waifu too

  • Noctis

    Fuck this damn game!

  • Artemis Polara

    Um… WTF? I hate Motomu Toriyama. With a passion. XIII is my most hated Final Fantasy. I despise Lightning. FFPeasant got on my nerves after a while for his constant defending of that travesty of a game.
    So yeah, I’ll defend Tabata certainly because anyone in his position would be hated right now anyway.
    But don’t ever think that anything directly related to XIII has anything but ire from me.

  • Artemis Polara

    Based on my own judgement, I enjoyed it overall. I liked the main 4 (And Aranea and Ardyn). The gameplay was fun. My main criticism is, like many others, the story. But it wasn’t enough to ruin the whole thing for me.
    After letting my disappointments settle, I rather enjoy the game and am waiting impatiently for the updates to fucking fix what’s incomplete. My current 7.4/10 will hopefully go up once that’s done.

  • xMysticx

    and you said it you’ll defend tabata dude there no way of convincing you he is a lying bitch so what can i do for you ?!
    sit here and see the cringe out of everybody

    cause tabata is cringe worthy

  • Artemis Polara

    I’ll defend him when warranted. The actual development of the game is worthy of defending. What he’s said in this article is, of course, idiotic and he deserves to be called out for it.
    Since you said you didn’t read it:
    “Saying you didn’t intend to make a good story on purpose doesn’t justify
    anything. I’ll understand the costs of the second open world zones
    doubling shit up but do not tell me that making shit happen off screen
    and making it not as good as it could be makes us okay with it.
    I enjoy this game a lot but that’s fucking stupid.”
    This was my initial and still current response to this article. So don’t treat this as a complete black and white scenario. It’s not.

  • Third World Tristan

    The gameplay was awful. Watered-down to the point of amateurism. I can’t believe it’s a mainline Final Fantasy game. It’s beyond shameful of Tabata and his team to deliver something so repetitive, shallow and largely broken (like the jumping mechanics and QTEs).

  • xMysticx

    you’ll defend him when he was shitting on nomura in the interviews ?
    also he lied buch even more you just dont realize it

  • xMysticx

    ohhhh the wait mode also sucked XDDDD!!!!

  • Artemis Polara

    You mean the bits where KH was brought up, Versus XIII as a concept, and similar stuff. Because outside of that, I’ve not heard him speak of Nomura.

  • Third World Tristan

    They’ve added that shit as an afterthought, thinking that a promise of “turn-based” would make the sales bigger. Fuck the quality, right? That’s the motto of this fucking director.

  • Noctis

    do you think they are aware of us ? mean the team and Tabata

  • Third World Tristan

    Yes, they know about this, but they disregard it. All they care about now is to sell the shitty DLC and the upcoming PC version to all the mentally challenged who believe their lies.

  • xMysticx

    dude i have no hope for SE this tabata is in the company
    rip all franchises

  • Noctis

    I made a mistake bought the dlc even before starting the game, they got me

  • xMysticx

    same i regret buy that shit ….

  • Noctis

    You know what happens if tabata is the director of a new game right? Death chain reaction

  • xMysticx

    he was shitting on nomura and changed the battle system and lying about it and much more youve seen nothing

  • Third World Tristan

    Sad, especially in my eyes. I have problems procuring food at times. When my N64 controller broke, I was devastated because buying a new one for $20 is an overkill for me. However, I did trust Square Enix and saved through all of 2016 to get a PS4 and FFXV. I got a turd instead. They treat their fans like dirt. No more!

  • xMysticx

    LOL
    ‘ i’ll make the fans cryyyyyyy!!!”
    ending : death to the cast

    everyone;”wahhhhhhhh miiii feeelllls ” so emotional !!!!!11111

    seriously i cried out of laughter

  • xMysticx

    lmao!!!!

  • Randy Marsh

    So they clarified it was draft then? Interesting, Tabata in the Spring 2015 ATR just referred to it as the scenario script for Final Fantasy Versus XIII, he never mentioned if it was completed.

    Also as for people referring to the original plan as a trilogy are twisting Nomura words said at E3 2013. Nomura spoke of no such things, he simply mentioned the idea of sequels to Final Fantasy XV and said that the Lightning Trilogy showed them the example of how to properly make sequels at a reasonable pace. No mentions of trilogies as you said, it was simply fans putting words in people’s mouths.

  • Noctis

    I cried cuz i didn`t know if i want to smack myself up or I fly to japan to run amok

  • Heropon

    Well , it clearly the latter . FFtype-0 , 3rd birthday are horrible game so his skill as direct clearly have problem

  • Noctis

    me to i regret to support retarded Tabata and team

  • xMysticx

    true after a while you need to cry from bitterness so i did at that day ever sice i didnt touch my ps4

  • Noctis

    no really i was so damn mad, my girlfriend thought i was sad about the death hahahaha

  • xMysticx

    lmaaao!!!!!
    it wasnt sad xDDD

  • Heropon

    Well , They cast away and let those good director such as Hiroyuki ito (6,9,12 ,ATB creator) and Takashi Tokita ( chrono , parasite , FF4 ,FF4hol) , Kawazu ( last remnant , Saga series)… do molbie game or dont do anything or pass 10 year so i am not suprise if they dont care about quality instead of money

  • Noctis

    yeah but i wasn`t sad, i was fucking mad

  • xMysticx

    legit

  • I’m fucking dead. This dudes reputation of thinking he has to kill a character off just to move the story or make emotions scenes is still bad. I don’t mind a character death but when people just start dying left and right and OFF SCREEN it just really bugs me. Isn’t he told reason the whole cast of FF7 Before crisis died?

  • xMysticx

    idk about that
    you are talking about the ios ”before crisis ” ? or when they began dev long ago when nojima wrote that clip about jumping of off the airship and only selected 3 servive and the rest dies ?

    if you talk about that it was scrapped cause nomura stopped him from doing so

  • Ryuke

    Half of the comments from this section is just full of “This user is blocked”. Dammit, what am I going to read with my morning coffee?

  • Noctis

    Ryuke I blocked you so here is your answer what you can read.

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  • •december

    I been following this since versus XIII and while it is possible they mentioned it, it’s hard to take on rumours. I remember something like they said the game isn’t necessarily open world. I don’t even know what that was meant to mean, but they never specifically said half the game was linear.

  • •december

    Lmao.

    Such bullshit. I was such a huge fan before reading this. Square Enix got their money. They covered the development costs
    in the ‘first day’ of release…. now the game is out they got all the
    time in the world! No more excuses. That’s in the past, need to look to the
    future and give us the game we deserve!

  • Bagfullofair

    Right! Open world supposed to give us more possibilities with the story, instead they cut most parts of the story and even the clues about what’s actually happening. What’s the point of exploring that vast world for hours knowing that at the end you achieve nothing? Well you’re given that wedding that’s not actually happen, bullshit! Where are those pat on the shoulder endings they’ve given us from the previous series???

  • Somnus92

    I already got to the point where I’m indifferent to these contrivances. I can’t be less excited or disappointed about whatever happens next. I sold my FFXV game and its season pass, just enough to afford FF12:ZA. Cheers.

    Also, #ItoHiroyuki4FFXVI

  • •december

    The FFXV Survey was a breath of fresh air and now Tabata gone and thrown shit all over everything and throwing salt into the wound, lol. I’m looking to the future but this will keep being brought up until they give us what we want!

  • Somnus92

    I never thought I would see you turning the other cheek since you were the “Mr. Optimistic” in these parts, which isn’t a bad thing at all lol. I don’t blame you though, this news is pretty bad. At least you got character development, more than the ones in FFXV 😛

  • Ryuke

    Er… huh? I can read you perfectly fine, I don’t have you blocked.

  • Ryuke

    Yeah I think they need to get over it, improve what they can, get the DLCs out and just focus on improvements and user feedback. These interviews and Tabatas responses aren’t helping at all. Drop the spade and stop digging, SE!

  • gabrieuTG

    SE, don’t let Tabata direct any numbered FF anymore, please

  • Ryuke

    Yeah, the players are at a point now where they don’t really care any more. If they’re gonna play the DLC then they will, if they’ve sold it and moved on then there’s nothing they can do about that either. Tabata and the team harping on about stuff like this, or the “story improvements”, isn’t going to bring any one back as fans have made their mind up either way about the game already. First impressions are far more important than what they can do with the game a year down the line.

  • •december

    The FFXV Survey was excellent!
    Hope they repeat what they did with Episode Duscae, because the FFXV team’s history of listening to fans is best I’ve seen! This interview was not what fans wanted to hear!!

  • •december

    I used to be passionate about Tabata but after reading this, but I’m only passionate about FFXV and the FFXV Team. Tabata will regain my respect & seal of approval if and when he expands the game. This year or following.

  • Ryuke

    That’s very true, Episode Duscae was improved tenfold after the team took players feedback on board. Hopefully that wasn’t all to create a good impression before release to help sales though. If we see that kind of commitment to improving things now that the game is released then that’s a positive sign for the future of the franchise. Fingers crossed!

  • •december

    I haven’t. I love FFXV and the FFXV team, I just lost respect for Tabata after reading this, this intervew was utter bullshit. Look, They “broke even” day one, so that covers the cost part. And development time? FFXV is out, so they have all the time in the world! Tabata unfortunately has to deal with all the criticism so he’s kind of stuck in the past. Me? I’m looking to the future.

  • gabrieuTG

    Although I don’t like Tabata’s decisions for XV, I think they should continue to their plan of updating the game through DLC. I don’t want my favorite franchise get stained because of an incompetent director. Let’s use the survey’s, the internet to show our discontentment towards his direction and ask for things that would improve the game. I know it’s sounds like the fans will be directing the game, but that’s the thing!!!

  • NoctLightCloud

    Purchasing digital is always a mistake. What do you do if you don’t like the game? Physical is always better 🙂

  • Somnus92

    “First impressions are far more important than what they can do with the game a year down the line.”

    I definitely agree, first impressions also have a more lasting effect. This was something I was hoping this game would nail, but after I was done with it, I couldn’t honestly recommend it. I wouldn’t be going on a diatribe about FFXV anytime soon. I already moved on from it and I’m looking towards the future.

    How about you Ryuke? What’s your take on this?

  • gabrieuTG

    He HAS to expand the game. It’s his obligation. When people didn’t receive XIII that well, Toriyama/SE came up with sequels to try to cover their mistakes… I don’t want prequels, sequels etc for Xv but I want him to work for at least a decent storytelling. The story is good, very good. And if all that Pitioss theory is true, XV would have had one of the best stories… Man, I didn’t want to be that guy but I wish Xv stayed with Nomura…

  • gabrieuTG

    One more thing. We need new people directing the upcoming FFs. New talents IDK

  • NoctLightCloud

    I don’t understand… I remember in 2011 when I bought even French video game magazines in Paris and the top position in the “most anticipated JRPG” section was often “Final Fantasy Versus XIII”. The amount of fanart of VS13 on the internet is amazing as well as the amount of fanmade videos. The hype was huge. The trailers were amazing, beyond any other video game trailers I’ve ever seen.
    SE even knew how popular VS13 was since they made it into XV yet they tolerated such a drastic change. You can’t even recognise the Versus-parts anymore. Only the car. Even Noctis himself is different. But the new concept looked good too (except for Luna). The trailers made us even more hyped. They already had those scenes (dawn trailer, 2013 trailers), it wasn’t like they didn’t have time to finish them. They cut scenes out on purpose. A magical moment in every mainline FF game is when a beautiful CGI cutscene pops up. But XV had like….3? Very disappointing…

  • Bagfullofair

    Why fan are not happy with Tabata’s decision? Because the fans are not used to this ridiculous story! FF used to be fun, the story used to give you thrills and the endings give you that sense of fulfillment after a long journey we’ve spent on the game no matter how many character dies. That’s why we love the francihise! This one is just depressing…

    Whats the point of spending days on this game knowing that’s how the story ends? I mean this is an open world game, but then, whatever you do doesn’t affect how it ends, which is a game over, everybody dies with an imaginary wedding as an eye candy…Greatt…

  • •december

    …which they are! I’m looking to the future of FFXV, this interview was stupid af.

  • Noctis

    exactly what i thought. After they died i don`t want to go that world anymore….for what?

  • Noctis

    hahah

    He shouldn`t be allowed to direct any 3d games. maybe mobile games

  • Noctis

    then you and everyone else are just asking for the same. You Tabata fanboys are asking to expand the story.

    But I know what you all want.

    YOU WANT VERSUS!!!!

  • gabrieuTG

    SE was the dishonest one when they showed trailers that were cut from the game.

  • Ryuke

    The interview comes off as more of a “the game is fine and this is how we intended it” when really I think Tabata should acknowledge the issues, and focus on going forward with the game. This attitude is only going to get folks’ backs up. He can still throw a corporate PR spin on it by asking us to look forward to the DLC etc and he doesn’t have to crap on his own product to give decent responses to questions, but the crux of the issue is the game was too chopped up and the story too butchered, it had a negative impact on critics and user reviews and has created a sour taste with a lot of people. Fans can see the potential and enjoyed the game play itself but its like the story was squashed into the game rather than the game being built around the story.

    Patching the story is just putting a band aid on the wound, and one that’s running out of sticky glue already. In an ideal world this wouldn’t have been an issue to start with, as I’m really not a fan of altering the main game in major ways after release. This isn’t an MMORPG, it’s a single player story driven experience and in that respect it needs to be right, or as close to right as possible, from the start. Like you, I finished the game and put it down after. I’ll play the DLC because I’m stuck with the season pass now, but nothing about the future of FFXV really excites me any more. The fans are too fragmented with this entry. Some are still stuck on Versus XIII, some are put off entirely due to the story mess, some are over it and have lost interest, and some blindly love it and want to feed SE their money regardless of what they say. I think the best thing now, once the post-release content is done, is to just draw a line under this game and move on. Move forward with whats been learnt from XV and start concepts and development for XVI with a fresh story, new characters, and no preconceptions to try and fulfill from old versions of the game and old trailers. Oh and no Tabata directing as his track record really isn’t looking great right about now.

  • Bagfullofair

    That’s why! They want us to spend more time on the game, that’s why they create the open world. But that story and that ending tho…

    Also I hate it when people say that they are happy with the ending! Probably they only watch some youtube gamer half assed-ly play the game just for the sake of finishing it. Then they wont feel it. But if you really play the game and spend days for the game, leveling up, doing side quests and stuff, knowing that’s how it ends feels like a waste of time…

  • gabrieuTG

    Nah, he can do a better job with spin offs

  • Invictus

    POINT TAKEN Tabby. Okay so we go along the story through Noct’s eyes. I get it. But you do know now that it’s not an effective strategy of narrative right? But point taken. I respect that.

  • Noctis

    This game is a waste of time….

  • stevenm281

    I think its more aimed at me, Tristan made it clear he doesn’t like my “toxic attitude” as he puts it.

    But I’ll take it as a compliment, as I wouldn’t want to be adored by a hater.

    “With a taste of your lips
    I’m on a ride
    You’re toxic
    I’m slipping under
    With a taste of poison paradise
    I’m addicted to you
    Don’t you know that you’re toxic
    And I love what you do
    Don’t you know that you’re toxic”

    Hehe

  • Noctis

    what did he reply? muhahahaha

  • Somnus92

    Thanks for sharing. I agree with most of your statement.

    I’m not too keen about Versus XIII either. I just prefer they conceive entirely different concepts for the franchise. I mentioned before here, I would like to see another main female protagonist in the next iteration. Lightning didn’t really work out for me, but Terra is a great example. Maybe having a numbered title about Dragoon Knights, and etc. Guessing what’s next is a better way for me to forgot about this entire thing.

  • Powa

    Tabata bascially telling everybody that he’s right and he is not at fault for the messed up. Whatever it is, SE knows what the gamers think about it in a non-bias POV. FF16 will be directed by someone else.

  • Shinobuden

    No offense Tabata, but you should have kept your mouth shut. You’re not good at PR and you should let someone else do it for you in the future. Some things are better off not being told. At least you were honest about it, I guess.

  • spaghetti123

    disgraceful damage control.

  • Anthony San Juan

    Time to answer the FFXV survey guys! 🙂

  • Bagfullofair

    To this day, I still keep coming back to FFX, FFIX, and other previous series. For FFXV, I don’t think I’ll be coming back…It’s too painful to see how it ends over and over again…It’s like you can never reach that finish line! 1cm away from it. but you can never reach it.

    It’s not like I’m a crybaby for always wanting a happy ending, I enjoy depressing movies. But this one is different! It’s a game, and you are pretty much very involved! Do I feel involved in the game? NO! It’s a game over for you no matter what you do!

    It’s like the gameplay and the story are separated! The story feels like just some sugar on your tea! And that’s not the FF I know!

  • Lucas Nóbrega Maia

    I disagree , Tabata already said that FFXV would have a bittersweet ending , something common to his games , so I already antecipaded that somewhat the ending would be sad.
    Also , It’s interesting that in a franchise were we save the world against demons or mad gods and destiny in some sort, we actually have one FF were we actually saves the world with the help of the gods and follow destiny.
    What I don’t like is how incomplete the game appears , if they actually put more chapters or increased the content in the already existing ones , namely a open-world in the second part of this game , it would be great.
    Clearly this is Square Enix attempt to gain more money with a virtually obligatory DLCs

  • Lucas Nóbrega Maia

    He is updating this game , with those “episodes” and some changings on chapter 13

  • Yes, it was a draft. And also, yes, they never said that Nojima had completed the draft at any point in time before FFXV’s announcement.

    When the first trailers were released, Nomura (as director) simply worked with the idea Nojima had to make the trailers. It’s not like they had a full script to actually make trailers that reveal lore and setting at the time of Versus XIII announcement (the Versus XIII trailers barely reveal some names, while others needed some staff explaining things).

    Yep. Someone asked Nomura if FFXV would have sequels just like FFXIII, and he said they had gained experience with FFXIII and now know how to properly make sequels.

  • Ruebeus

    Huh? What problem could you possibly have with this interview? God I miss the gaming days before all you idiots who think you’re important and smart got your hands on keyboards.

  • Phantom Sword

    The hell is this kid talking about.

  • Turtleclan_Oneida

    this post made me create an account specifically just to say that I been monitoring this site for some time reading comments and articles, and judging from past and previous comments you made, I can see you talking to yourself here….

  • Shinobuden

    You mean other than the fact that this is a poor excuse for damage control?

    God I miss the days when people didn’t get offended by random comments on the internet. Oh wait, that’s how it’s always been.

  • Ruebeus

    Guess what kiddo, not all endings are happy. The sense of entitlement oozing off of you is disgusting. It’s a story about these characters, not about YOU! This was their experience, and it didn’t end pretty.

    And wtf is this “if you really play the game and spend days leveling up, doing side quests and stuff, knowing that’s how it ends feels line a waste of time”?
    Have you played a game, ever? News flash, THEY ALL END!
    RPGs are about experiencing a story. What the hell did you think was going to happen when you got to THE END?

    Good god, people have become so stupid.

  • Meta

    The franchise has long been stained ever since Motomu Toriyama and Nomura stepped into the scene.

    You do know Nomura is even more to blame for this just as much as Tabata if not more

    Motomu Toriyama is the worst of the three especially with XIII which was the biggest shitpile in mainline FF………..at least in my opinion cuz the Square Enix worshippers would like to bow for Motomu and Nomura more often than not

  • Noctis

    but you are intelligent right? No wait you are the smartest guy ever.

  • Ruebeus

    Like you maybe? Because you’re way better at everything and know more than anyone, yeah? You’re totally not some random nerd with little to no creative talent who thinks memes are cool because everyone else said they are. Hopefully SE listens to you because you totally know what you’re talking about.

  • Noctis

    You made an account to answer me? hahahah. I feel honored

  • Turtleclan_Oneida

    to call out your ridiculousness in the sense that I believe you made an account to talk to yourself. its okay to talk to yourself, but now you are answering yourself….

  • Shinobuden
  • Bagfullofair

    Hey, I’m fine with sad stories, I also play the previous series too. Like FFX, FFIX and other previous series, they all also have those very sad stories. But they handled them pretty well. They give you that sense of fulfillment…Just be honest with this one, the story is very weak and too jumpy…

    I pretty much know how RPGs works, either you just play for the story or you want to finish the whole thing they offer you including the side quests, secret weapons and stuff. Some don’t even bother to do that. But I always try to finish the whole thing! And RPG takes more time to finish that other genres. If the story IS GOOD! You’ll be willing to play the game to the fullest. If not, why bother? It is a waste of time!

  • Bagfullofair

    FFX, FFVII and many other series are also having those bittersweet stories where people dies and stuff, but somehow they’re executed beautifully, altho it’s sad and makes you shed your tears all the time, they still gives you that sense of fulfillment…

    This one is sooo unclear, so short, soo many plot holes, then they decide that’s how it ends based on that half baked storyline, we don’t even get to see a glance of the aftermath…straight up to Imaginary wedding! It’s just to ridiculous…

  • Bagfullofair

    Ohh, you think that I’m that Noctis guy??? Talking about so many people can freely calling people stupid in this discussion page…Just wow!

  • Bagfullofair

    Ah, I see…You’re just some randum grumpy person answering some random commenters…So people can’t have their own opinion? You think you’re the only senior video game maniac who knows anything form A to Z and the others are just dumb newbies who knows nothing about video game…

    Hahah! How mature!

  • Ryuke

    Ouch! Ok mine wasn’t quite as bad as that. At least this way we just get to read the intelligent discussions though, right?

  • Bagfullofair

    Just arrived here, saw your ridiculous grumpy comment, scrolls down…
    Oh hey! You do that to everyone!!! Next time I visit this page, I won’t even bother to answer your comment…Thanks for softly reminding me…

  • Shinobuden

    Then you should see his comment history. I checked it out for fun, and it’s not much different from what you see on this page. I don’t know what kind of problems he has in real life, but he’s clearly acting out on the internet.

    Easy solution though; highlight his comment and click the arrow to the right. Block user.

  • Bagfullofair

    Oh yes! It’s their experience, played by us the gamers! it becomes our experience too! We spare our time to experience the game! That’s why it’s ROLE PLAYING GAME!! You get the role of your main character!! The quality of the story is very important! Because that’s your treat for playing the game…

    Calling random people disgusting and stupid, that’s not very nice…

  • Ryuke

    You shouldn’t get so offended by being blocked, or assume that I care enough that you have me blocked. Your ramblings to yourself plus the paranoia that you might be on my block list enough for you to post something directly at me to see if I’ll respond indicate some insecurity there. I’d hate to see your comments section, all the meaningful discussion and comments must be hidden for you leaving you with all of the hater rantings to participate in. Your loss, and most definitely not mine!

  • I’m not all too sure about that but what is the mobile game before crisis that I swore he directed where he killed nearly all the turks except rino and them

  • Shinobuden

    Precisely! To be fair, I think that was a series of comments by two people I have blocked. I hate having to block people but there are just so many people who don’t bring anything worthwhile to the table and are just here to be obnoxious. It’s a shame.

    I find your comments in particular very enjoyable to read as you offer very intellectual insight and perspective to things.

  • stevenm281

    I agree, Ryuke is cool!

  • Ryuke

    You can’t start commenting in a Final Fantasy discussion with Britney lyrics. Combining two of my favourite things in such a way is likely to make me spontaneously combust.

  • stevenm281

    she’s my idol! I love her so much!

  • Ryuke

    I hate having too as well, but while I believe opinions shouldn’t be censored when it comes to offensive hate trolling I’d rather just filter it out. I can just ignore trolling but as soon as it gets rude or offensive the little arrow followed by the block gets hit.
    My list has just grown by one and now it looks like the image you posted…! Whoops. Probably the same folks to be honest!

    But thank you, I enjoy reading your comments too. We’re all here to discuss things we enjoy at the end of the day and who better to discuss it with than people who share those passions?

  • Ryuke

    No, YOU’RE cool!

  • John Fabian

    AMEN

  • Turtleclan_Oneida

    I Think this noctis guy has the capability, palpability, and drive to make another account to talk to himself

  • Bagfullofair

    Naah, you just think too much…
    Why bother to waste his time to do that??

  • This is becoming a train wreck. Just because the story is Noct POV doesn’t mean it doesn’t have to be balanced. Whatever. Wake me up when they make 16.

  • Phantom Sword

    Are you trying to tell me that every FF has a balanced story? I don’t know why people think FFs ever did.

  • This Guy

    Compared to other FF stories, FF15’s is a complete mess. It was clearly rushed and not planned out well. Tabata using the convenient excuse of it all being Noctis’s perspective to be the excuse of lack of story.

    People can rip on FF13 all they want, but it at least felt like a complete story/game. Perhaps some poor decision making in it’s own right, but it at least felt like a complete product.

  • Phantom Sword

    No it isn’t. FF9 is rushed on the last disc too but I don’t see people acting like that’s somehow unbalanced, even though the game completely forgets Amaranth and Freya even exists.

    And no he isn’t using it as an excuse of anything, if you actually played it you would know that the game is majority being shown through his perspective, it’s why you have all the radio reports, NPCs, newspapers and such giving story info to the player, specifically done in a way that delivers it to the player as if they were a regular person who just found out that info from those sources.

    There is like 4 scenes in the entire game that isn’t from his perspective but that is irrelevant since those don’t push the story anyway, the majority of the story when the player is in control of it is done from Noctis’s perspective.

    FF13 was just bad because it had terrible characters and a bad story. XVs story may be rushed on the second half but the characters are still great and the story content is also great.

  • stevenm281

    ah! thank you! you’re so sweet!

    I know I can be… harsh at times, but I just get very defensive when it comes to FF or things I love in general.

  • This Guy

    How is the last disc rushed? It is the ending part of already a 40+ hour game. Exactly how was it rushed? Because it is a 4th disc doesn’t mean it is obligated to have as much as the first three. If you are counting a game as rushed because the last disc just had the last of a 2gb+ game, that is just silly. The discs are not represented by chapters. Why am I explaining this to you?Amarant and Freya both had their own stories and reasons to join the team. Both also having conclusions to their stories.

    I did play through all of it. Again it is called convenience. You can’t convince me this perspective did not come into play because of a rushed development schedule. He very likely decided to go with this approach due to time constraints. Proof? All the promotional material we got over the years for the game and none of it was used. Like the scene with Regis holding Noctis as a child next to the Regalia. Or how the game was suppose to start off with the crew fighting in Insomnia. There was very clearly content cut and perspective change for the convenience of not having to develop outside more than was needed. Can I give you definite proof? No. I can say however I am not blind and can see through the crap.

    If you are not going to utilize the supporting characters or at least use them to help further strengthen Noctis’s perspective, then they are a waste of time. Noctis’s father dies, he hears about it through a newspaper and a phone call. Even if we accept this, we don’t get -anything- that helps establish their relationship. Not even dreams or flashbacks. I felt nothing in the ending because I don’t even know how Noctis and Regis were as a father and son. Even if we play on this perspective argument, it was still very poorly done.

    You missed the point about the FF13 argument. Despite if it’s characters/story are considered bad in your opinion, it doesn’t change the fact it is a complete product and not a rushed game. FF15 is clearly a rushed and unfinished product. You are welcome to disagree with me on that but I have defended each FF game up to this point and I just simply cannot with 15.

  • Neil Mortimer

    Its a conflicting subject for me this. One the one hand im 97 hours and counting into the game and have no desire to stop. And the story setting, the main characters, the bad guy are all masterfully done. But the way the story plays out and how it is written in places is, to be frank, an absolute mess. Im really hoping the dlc rectifies this. Im thinking Promptos episode has the potential to be fantastic and shed some light on the Empire and what happened there. But someone here already said it, for a lot of people its too little too late

  • Phantom Sword

    I already mentioned Freya and Amaranth the game completely forgets they exist, not to mention Necron out of nowhere, then the whole rushed Steiner and Beatrix thing. It is rushed no matter how you try to spin it, doesn’t matter if it’s chapters or discs or whatever.

    This perspective is very clearly something that was intentional and was there for a long time, otherwise there would not be the radio broadcasts, NPCs or newspapers that the party find out things from. Even going back to 2014 you can hear them listening to a radio report about the invasion, and the Episode Duscae ending dialog has the dialog that is from when they find out about the invasion happened in the newspaper.

    Hell even in the 2008 Versus trailer its talking about a peace treaty between Lucis and Niflheim on the radio despite there being no other voice acting in that entire trailer. So yes clearly radio’s and such were always going to be the intention with how story details gets conveyed to the player.

    Other than the Dawn trailer footage pretty much everything we saw in 2016 trailers was used in the final game.

    The game starting off in Insomnia was changed before 2015, in the 2014 December trailer they were already outside of Insomnia when the invasion happened so it was already changed by then.

    It was very clearly supposed to be mainly told from his perspective which is why they even bothered with those radio reports, newspaper and having NPCs talking about story details that are actually important to begin with.

    And I don’t get this logic, I’ve seen countless films, TV shows and many games where a character talks about a parent dying or being dead and you are able to feel empathetic, it’s the same with Noctis in regards to Regis. There is even some subtle scenes where you can catch Noctis crying like in Ignis’s camping quest, you see Noctis at the campfire crying then Ignis walks up to him to talk about helping him and Noctis quickly wipes away his tears and tries to act casual.

    And I didn’t miss anything. FF13 had even more cut content than XV did, Kitase said himself they cut out enough content from FF13 to make an entire seperate game. XV being rushed on the second half is not any different than 9 being rushed, also why should anyone care about Zack dying in FF7 when he had even less impact than Regis in FF7? Well it’s like I said before because people can be empathetic, we know probably as much about Zack in FF7 as we do about Regis in XV.

  • Invictus

    We’re all arguing here from all points of views while SE got their sales done. 6 million unit and counting shipped across the globe.

  • Yoshiji

    “FF9 is rushed on the last disc too but I don’t see people acting like that’s somehow unbalanced, even though the game completely forgets Amaranth and Freya even exists.”

    ___

    Because FFIX actually had a complete story.

    Furthermore, How is that not balanced ? As in it continued to expand of the theme and life and death you were introduced to in the first disc ? As it gave more hindsight to the reincarnation cycle you were introduced to in the second disc ? As it gave more hindsight to the fate of the summoners you were introduced to in the first and second discs ? As it gave a resolution to Vivi’s struggle with the memories and the things he would leave behind, as well as the main antagonist’s struggle?

    You’re considering it as “not balanced” because of the playable lenght in comparison to the other discs, not actual story content. Hence, this doesn’t concern the story, but the packaging, something that doesn’t exist in the steam version for example as everything is included in “a single disc”.

    That would be similar to criticizing FFXV’s chapter 13’s playable lenght in comparison to chapter 11’s lenght. This is nowhere near to be a valid criticism when we talk about a “comprehensive and balanced story”.

    In FFXV, the game was separated in chapters / arcs, and it heavily varied on story content from one to another, in some chapters we had almost nothing, in others we would get overwhelmed, and it wouldn’t be comprehensive in the end.

    Also, Freya got an entire arc, Burmecia, Cleyra, and finally Alexandria, where she had to make peace with the one who murdered her people as well as the fact that she won’t get to see her love again. Her story ended on a sad note, but it doesn’t make the whole development non-existant, it was resolved on her end.

    As for Amaranth, he did get the whole package too, it was shorter than for other characters, but we did come to learn his backstory, how he arrived here, how he suffered due to Zidane’s actions. He arrived late but was still provided as a counter part for Zidane and he opened up by the end of the game as we’ve seen with Ipsen’s castle and Terra.

    Heck, even FFXV’s main characters outside of Noctis are nowhere near Amaranth’s level of development. Like many other characters in the series prior to that ( Yuffie, Umaro, Gogo etc… ) or after that ( Lulu, Snow, Jihl etc.. )

  • Bagfullofair

    Agreed, also with all those rock heavy weights on Noctis’s shoulder and those nerve wrecking news on his head, he still got the time to fish. LOL

    The story is so tense even from the beginning, yet we get that open world holly jolly chill adventure with bunch of side quests. The timing and balance between the story and the gameplay is also very important, and it’s just not there. This game is clearly not carefully planned and executed…

  • Phantom Sword

    XV has a complete story too, it has a start, middle and ending with a satisfying conclusion.

    Do you even know what balanced means? Are you trying to tell me that Amaranth and Freya are given the same amount of focus as Zidane or Vivi are? No they didn’t. Game completely forgets Freya exists after a certain point. You are arguing some irrelevant point because you don’t seem to know what balance actually is, disc length is not what I’m talking about, I’m talking about how rused sections of the game are and explanations or things are, in FF9 they definitely are and Necron is a prime example of it.

    If you think that the main party in XV don’t have development then you clearly did not pay much attention, also your nostalgia goggles seem to be on too tight.

    The point is again that every FF story is unbalanced.

  • Phantom Sword

    Right just like the meteor is about to hit in 7 but lets go play some Snowboarding minigames at the Arcade.

    Are you seriously trying to bring up the fact that you can do minigames as if that somehow detracts from the story?

  • This Guy

    Your argument was disc 4 was rushed. Now you are saying the game in general is rushed. Really? Necron was not a decision made to get the game out of the door. They could of just had Kuja be the final boss and be done with that. It was a developer’s choice to add an extra final boss. You can debate why Necron is a thing but it wasn’t because he was rushed. The supporting characters were not rushed. How much screen time do you expect each supporting character to have? Throughout the story Steiner and Beatrix go from rivals to enemies to comrades to lovers. If you need to learn how world building and how supporting characters work with that world building, just let me know.

    So you say it was all intentional from the start? You know how much development time it takes to just add newspapers and radio announcements as opposed to actual cutscenes or additional game play segments? None at all!

    You are also not doing a good job explaining how FFIX’s story was rushed.

  • Invictus

    But yeah POINT TAKEN TABBY. We all experience the story through Noct’s eyes only. But it’s pretty evident that it’s not good style for narrative.

  • Phantom Sword

    No I’m saying that the game by the last disc is rushed, that is still one single narrative yet by the time you’ve reached that point in the narrative it is rushed.

    Necros is clearly a last minute asspull, and yes Amaranth, Freya, and the whoel Beatrix and Steiner thing is rushed. Jesus christ you are literally in denial about older FFs also having rushed story just so you can try and fling shit against XV.

    And all those radio reports and NPC dialog is voiced recorded dialog that is different across different chapters, they’d also have to dub it in 4 languages too.

  • This Guy

    Question! Why does Freya and Amarant need more screen time than Zidane and Vivi? The point of character arcs is to have one, not how long they are. To experience their stories and conclusions.

    We meet Aranea in FF15 after battling her. Like an hour after battling her, traveling in ruins with her. She just says “meh I don’t care about the empire anymore” and a few hours in she is helping with refugees. Why didn’t we see her leave the empire? Why didn’t we get to experience her troubles? I loved her as a character but you could take her out of the story and would not affect it at all. You could have anyone help the passengers on the train.

  • This Guy

    You are saying it is rushed, but not explaining it. How is the last disc rushed? Please explain it to me.

    Why do you think Necron is rushed? There was no need to put him in. Kuja could of been the final boss and no one would think otherwise. The developers wanted Necron in. There was nothing to rush.

    I don’t believe in a perfect story and I can point out FF9’s faults. I can say however it has incredible writing and knows not only how to make memorable and lovable characters, but also have great storytelling to enhance the characters and world.

    Stop saying they were rushed and actually explain why they were rushed. You can keep saying they were rushed to me over and over but it means nothing if you can’t back it up.

  • Phantom Sword

    I already explained in a previous post. The story moves at a brisk pace towards the ending, Freya and Amarath are completely forgotten, so is Quinna. Beatrix and Steiner thing happens out of nowhere completely rushed, Necros rushed he just comes out of nowhere. It’s very clear that 9 has a rushed ending and forgets characters exist.

  • stevenm281

    Its not that they forget them, but rather than having little moments across the whole game, each character got his big moment, then its time to move on to the next character story, it has nothing to do with being rushed.

    Each character got his personal story in FF9, you can’t say the same about the characters of FF15 as their story will be released through DLC.

  • Phantom Sword

    The point of balance as you are trying to pretend it is is for eveyrone to have the same balance of character arc. Yet Vivi and Zidane have much longer arcs than either of them do so clearly no it is not balanced because if it were then everyone would be given the same amount of attention and development.

    Without Aranea then they wouldn’t have Airships to escort people out from the area, Niflheim is being overrun with Daemons and only someone with airships could take them to somewhere without Daemons, Aranea commands her own fleet and took her Airships when Niflheim fell apart, there isn’t anyone else from Niflheim side that would willingly help people like her or have access to airships, hence why without Aranea those people would not be rescued, also she is a Mercernary who worked for money to begin with and her very first scene shows she is annoyed as soon as Verstael opens his mouth, so she was shown from the get go to have hangups regarding Niflheim.

    Plus the whole getting to Mythril in chapter 7 is with Aranea too which you are only allowed to do because she is escorting you, because she’s being paid to, specifically because she’s a mercenary that Ardyn is paying, and he tells you he doesn’t have any real authority which is why he couldn’t use someone else from Niflheim to do that.

    Also I’m not arguing that XV isn’t unbalanced, I’m saying every FF is unbalanced.

  • This Guy

    stevenm281 pointed it out very well. Each character gets their own conflict and conclusion rather a happy one or not. Steiner himself is a different character by the end of the game. His conflict with his loyalty or what is right. That scene where he decides to oppose Brahne to save Garnet was very powerful. Finally deciding to stop being stubborn and realize the reality of the situation. This is all done through bits and pieces of the story. It isn’t “go through this entire arc and move to the next one.”

  • Phantom Sword

    Prompto had his personal story when he tells Noctis about his feelings at the Motel scene and it’s built up during chapter 13 that he’s actually from Niflheim and supposed to be an MT, where you tell him that he is the real him not empty “MT/Empty”, that despite him supposed to be one he does have a soul.

    Or Ignis’s entire ordeal from going through being someone everyone on the team could depend on from driving, cooking, plans and such to being someone that had to be looked after for a while which became a point of contention within the group, especially with Gladio.

    Plus Gladio’s whole thing with his role as the royal shield and how he is taking his anger out on Noctis because he is dragging his feet, and throuhgout the game you see little nods towards Gladio’s increased annoyance towards Noctis, for example in chapter 2 when Noctis says “King of what?”, you see Gladio make a pissed off face towards Noctis, and you see these sorts of things build up throughout the game whenever Noctis is shirking his duties, because Noctis not doing his duty to Gladio means he’s failing in his duty.

  • Phantom Sword

    I’m not sure what that is supposed to prove though because the same is for XV too, different parts of different character arcs happen at different points in the game. And that still doesn’t change the fact that 9 is unbalanced and it was rushed at the end.

  • stevenm281

    those are very minor details compared to those presented for the characters in FF9, I’m not gonna even argue anymore as its pointless to make you see the light of day.

    And FF9 isnt in my top 5 FF, but XV is, I’m just not blind to the details presented in both games.

  • Phantom Sword

    They really aren’t, in fact Prompto’s entire motel scene is better written and introspective than any character in IX including Vivi.

  • This Guy

    We are not saying that the main four characters don’t get their moments. They are arguably the best part of FFXV. I don’t hate the characters of 15, I am just disappointed these great characters and the supporting ones around them are not put to great use. I want to know more about Iris, Cor, Aranea, Luna, Cindy, Cid, Ravus. We don’t get an appropriate time with them because it was all done through the perspective of Noctis.

    Nor the fact we see anything happen on the Empire’s side. Noctis doesn’t even meet he emperor of Nifelheim. You know, even if they wanted to 100% fully intend Noctis’s pure perspective at the very beginning, they still did it poorly. We needed Noctis’s relationship with his father, we needed scenes to further create Noctis’s ambition and character growth. We needed proper screen time between Noctis and Luna to feel the pain of her death. OR AT LEAST have it that Noctis’s love for Luna was an obsession which the other characters could of pointed out at him to at least feel very sorry in Noctis’s perspective. Aeris’s death in FF7 was so impactful because we got to know and love her on the journey. Her being killed was just jaw dropping. Luna dying was…well that happened. Will say, was a beautiful looking cutscene.

    There is so much wrong with FFXV’s storytelling that I could type for days.

  • Bagfullofair

    My bad, I forgot that fishing was actually introduced when Noctis hasn’t heard the news…

    I’m fine with minigames, it’s just the timing is very important like when they are introduced in certain part of the story as the time actually freezes if you’re not triggering the main story.

    I hope you get what I mean, english is not my first language, so it’s kind of hard to explain stuff…

  • stevenm281

    its not about the quality of writing, its about the amount of cutscenes, the amount of screen time they get, and FF15 characters do not have as much screen time than the ones in FF9.

    You need more than 40/50 hours to complete FF9 story, while you need 25 for FF15.

    Its not even debatable, while I do love FF15, it lacks character development.

  • Phantom Sword

    This is the problem. XVs story is not primarily told through cutscenes, it’s done through dialog. This is why people seem to think XV is skimping out on the story even though there is plenty of story there.

    Also FF9 has a shitton of long as loadtimes just for battles, not to mention it’s turn based which makes it even longer to do things compared to real time action that XV has, so that just pads out the playtime in 9, in reality FF9s story is not 40 hours and is comparable to XVs story length.

  • This Guy

    Now we are just getting into a different discussion. Yep FF9 does have slow battle pace in comparison to other titles. However, I can get on a airship in FF9 and fly to the other side of the world and back before the fast travel loading is done in FF15.

    If you want to continue the more petty arguments instead of sticking to the subject of how a story should be presented in a Final Fantasy game, then by all means.

  • Phantom Sword

    I wanted to know more about Aranea, Cor, Iris etc too but if we’re being real here then how do characters like Relm, General Leo, Gau etc have any more development than they do?

    By the way that Foras Daemon Noctis kills in chapter 13 is the emporer, there is dialog pertaining to this when you’re fighting him. Also throughout the entire game you are fighting onslaughts of MTs one by one and taking down Imperial forts, the dropships get progressively higher level with stronger versions of the MTs and eventually the walkers too, you’re fighting them almost the entire game. Once you reach to Ch13 it had been overrun by Daemons and you are then fighting Daemons during that chapter. During the whole chapter 10-11-12 chapter the characters act more somber and there’s even a whole chapter where you go and see her hometown destroyed while you hear the NPCs crying and talking about stuff. You could feel for Noctis because you can easily empathize with him, and while yes I would have liked to see more Regis or Luna there was still plenty there that allowed to to feel something when Luna died and the final scene where Regis has to be the one to kill Noctis.

    You brought up Aeris but the player can opt to not even use her in the party if they don’t want to, and once she dies it could mean nothing to them because they didn’t care, either way Cloud obviously did care and Noctis obviously did care.

  • Phantom Sword

    I know what you mean but in FF7 you can go do Snowboarding minigame and play around at Gold Saucer even though the world is being threatened with a Meteor about to destroy life as Cloud knows it.

  • Phantom Sword

    An airship in 9 is not received until way later in the game, and fast travel in XV takes half the amount of time it does to manually drive there. Even then XV is largely seamless from it’s battles to dungeons to the overworld to outposts, towns, settlements etc. IX has loadscreens everywhere from going into any area map and some maps are separated with long longs.

    The only mandatory loads in XV are the chapter loads/ booting the game.

    Also the subject I brought up was that every FF is unbalanced and that FF9 is rushed, the fact that Vivi and Zidane are given more time and development than Amaranth or Freya are means that yes even FF9 is unbalanced. Unbalanced does not mean not good, I’m not sure why you are taking that as a negative.

  • This Guy

    Because we actually get to spend time with Relm and Gau and we do learn more about them through the journey. General Leo again, we do get screen time with him. We do experience his story and conclusion. He also represents the opposite of Kefka and shows the players that not everyone in the empire is evil and one-sided.

    I know well that the daemon was the Emperor. The argument is we got no time between Noctis and the Emperor. The whole point was to get the weapons and face off with him. Granted we do, but we get no conflict with them at all dialogue wise. Why didn’t we get to experience the downfall of the empire!? It happened off screen? F#$k you, SE.

    I know you can’t see it but I am slamming my head on a wall right now. Are you saying Aeris’s story and her development can be put to the side because you can leave her out of the party? Doesn’t work like that. Also not only does Cloud and Noctis have to care, but so does the audience. The audience cared that Aeris died, hell it is a meme. Luna dying, it failed in it’s writing to get the audience to care. It sure looked pretty though.

  • This Guy

    I think i’m done with you. Your reading comprehension isn’t exactly ideal and you can’t get a grasp of the point on hand.

  • Yoshiji

    You can’t say that you know what balanced means when you give such a BS overview of these games.

    First of, you can’t judge that a story is complete as easily as that, that’s just purely idiotic. You can stay “Long time ago lived a man. He became a clown. He killed everyone and got defeated”, it has a beginning, a middle, an end but it’s far from being complete. And a satisfying conclusion is also completely irrelevant to wether or not a story is complete.

    Because you really think that Zell had as much development as Laguna ? That Yuffie had as much development as Cloud ? That Gogo had as much development as Terra ? That Lulu had as much development as Tidus ? That Gladio had as much development as Noctis ? If so, I really don’t think you’re able to judge what a character development really is.

    We didn’t get to learn Gladio and Ignis’ backstories, how and why they got into Noctis duty and why they continued to serve him even after the capital has fallen and he lost his claim on the throne, because we didn’t get to see the strenght of their bonds and why it is here at the beginning of the game, it was just assumed. We didn’t get to learn why Gladio, the shield of the king, decided to all of a sudden leave the party to “take some alone time”. Ignis, being the all around mother of the group still ended up doing it even when he went blind and powerless he still remained the most calmed about it, it’s not development but stagnation. What about Prompto’s backstory being introduced and completely forgotten within 10 seconds with an “okay” ? Why would we even need DLCs about Gladio, Prompto.. if their development and stories were complete and satisfying and if we have to view the story from Noctis’ eyes ?

    If you’re so adamant about saying Freya went forgotten, you should really consider replaying the game. If you just take a simple look at the script if you see that she has a lot of lines after the end of her story arc and starting Disc 3. Furthermore, we learned everything we needed from the early story arcs regarding Freya, her backstory, story and development were complete. We didn’t need more. Things that never happened with the FFXV characters as we need DLCs to tell us the actual development.

    Necron is actually a prime example of how the story is complete as it was an entity built as the anti-ideology of everything the game built throughout the discs, objectively showing how the story was meant to be comprehensive and how it was a focus from the get go. In disc 1 they introduced the themes of life and death, in disc 2 they introduced the cycles, and in disc 3 they introduced Terra’s cycles as well as what would happen if you were to stop or destroy the cycles, and then in disc 4 you’re given more information regarding the origins of the cycles and why death is not worth fearing. Necron was the embodiment of darkness, the void, as opposed to the crystals and their lights ( reincarnations of souls/planets). And it endangered the whole thing because of Kuja reaching out the crystal of origin. But I guess you just need to understand the basis of wtf happened in the game in order to see this, I get it, it’s hard for most uh, better to show how ignorant you are.

    The point is that character development were always unbalanced, but for most of the older games it was complete contrarily to FFXV. The stories, which is another entity outside of the character development, were also balanced and not treated differently as FFXV did by filling the early chapters with almost nothing but a meaningless bro trip up until chapter 8 where they decided to throw away all the relevant main quests they introduced up until now like the royal arms etc.. Then in the older games, and you could see easily the backstories of each character, as well as what was going on in your surroundings, while here you get only 6 scenes without any context from the events happening around you, and they didn’t even care to show us the backstory of the characters as well as the game itself as nobody can’t even understand it properly seeing how it spawned 20+ theories about the world and what happened. That’s the FFVIII R=U all over again.

  • Leslie Chan

    Wait a sec! Lady! Are u talking about the 2 big books of Final Fantasy XV Ultimania Scenario and Battle? Which released during Dec 28th 2016?

    As a person who own both of the book.
    The books are just next to me. I read it upside down, right to left, left to right~

    true, there is a interview of Director Tabata and also are 6 pages as u said in the Scenario side of the book. (Start from p. 592- 597)

    BUT those 6 pages are only Tabata himself. And no interview of Tabata, Nojima and Nomura in both of the books!

    So where the heck you found those u called “The FACT 6 pages of Q & A sessions of all 3 of them?”

    Don’t tell me their is a special edition from Square Enix e-store~
    I am living in Japan and lining up as the 15th person who bought the game during the released date. And also order the book from Square Enix e-store Japan! (Which come with a folder of Final Fantasy XV)

    Or u got a special Omega Version of the Ultimania? Base on what I have read, see and search during these years of the XV development after Tabata announced to take over the director job during 2014, no matter is from Japan game maginze like Fami tsu or Dengeki PS~

    I NEVER read a article of ALL 3 of them doing a Q & A Session!
    Nomura and Nojima not even doing any promo or interview during the release of Final Fantasy XV!

    So where u read those 6 pages Q & A session of Tabata, Nojima and Nomura?

    Do I need to do something with the book to UNLOCK those 6 pages?
    Or I need another DLC code or doing some mystery Spell to UNLOCK those pages?

    You really need to teach me those method Lady!
    I REALLY WANTED TO READ THOSE PAGES!!

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    I think “the whole story” is, the game was just not going to get finished and they had to release it ‘as-is’ and maintain a professional attitude, by saying the huge, gaping holes in the plot and narrative were intentional parts of the game.

    While quietly finishing the rest of the game and then selling it to us later.

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    I was more given the impression that a “World of Ruin” style shift in the world map was supposed to occur, limiting the places you could revisit as some great plague or cataclysmic event sweeps the world, something like that. They did that idea really well in FF6, even having a character try to kill themselves just having to live in a ruined world alone.

    In FFXV wtf is the player supposed to feel when Noctis spends 2hrs running around a bunch of cement hallways sucking monsters into black holes, finds a rock chained up for some reason, and inexplicably gets absorbed into it for ten entire years?

  • xMysticx

    tabata is the laugh of the century … i get it emotional driven game but every single title he directs becoming his own signature… and over time the impact its lost and becomes cliche

  • Lucas Nóbrega Maia

    The problem os exactly those plotholes. Although I lides the ending, I do not like how so much things were cut and how lack of emocional bond to many characters

  • xMysticx

    you know tabata is skilled when lying so i cant trust that page she linked to its all tabatas talk … she will defend soon

  • gabrieuTG

    I would be totally down for it If they ever called me to direct a FF.

  • gabrieuTG

    So do I. I love FFPeasant videos

  • CogInTheWheel

    That by no means suggests SE is sitting pretty without a care in the world. Make no mistake, the game and its DLC have to keep selling beyond that to consider this 10-year ordeal lucrative.

  • xMysticx

    but,but even dlc wont help the game ……………………………..
    patching and fixing after everyone beaten the game is just retarded whats the point if you completed the game ?

    would you come back for seasonal content or after dlc release ? the damage been done and its all over the place

    you all took surveys and look youve been trolled by tabata and dismisses your thoughts of the game is incomplete …. xv needs a reboot and a proper 1

  • Invictus

    Point taken. But the way the road map stands for the DLCs, they’re pretty far from caring since they tend to ditch fanbase suggestions of enhancing the stories. Main example: Avatar system. But I agree with you 100%.

  • If he’s simply referring to what happens to the core group members offscreen, then yeah, it was absolutely an unconventional and interesting choice which I thought paid off beautifully in the rightfully maligned, but still fascinating, Chapter 13 and into 14. I don’t think Noctis finding out about the collapse of his kingdom or the death of Regis from a newspaper was a huge misstep either, but it’s clear that Tabata wanted to have it both ways since there are many scenes which remove the player from Noctis’ perspective and do a poor job of conveying the story.

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    I think in general, writers in video games are extremely, unforgivably ignored. Even within Nintendo, one of their best writers Koizumi-san (who is now pretty much ‘in charge’ atm) had to sneak in glimpses of real depth to games he worked on, away from the eyes of gameplay-first types like Miyamoto. Back when he started at Nintendo, a game’s “story” was basically irrelevant, so the writers put the lore into the game manuals instead (sad that companies don’t do this anymore).

    During Mario Galaxy, Miyamoto got super pissed when he found out about Rosie’s storybook. He thinks lore and narrative has no place in Mario.

  • xMysticx

    ”fun combat ”
    ”beautiful world”

    where is the fun for a fucked up combat and empty world ?
    the combat is automated and most of the time does not work !!
    sold alot because of the hype was for VSXIII …..

  • Chris Beeson

    This is so ridiculous. Tabata is essentially now trying to tell us his storytelling skills are utter trash ON PURPOSE? HA. This game is a joke. The sad part is that because this is their reaction, to tell us all that “Oh yea we intentionally left a bunch of important content out and the latter half of the game was purposely unfinished and rushed” simply means that they A) don’t give two shits about people’s feedback and B) have absolutely no intentions of fixing this broken-ass game. They’ll just shovel more sombrero’s, Cup Noodles and Power Rangers suits at us until we go away I guess. Pathetic SE. Pathetic.

  • gunjydna93

    This is fine as long as FFXV gets offline pvp eventually.

  • 神 の金

    damn them they just want people to pay more for the DLC. Anyway will buy them at the lowest price if im still interested by then

  • Leslie Chan

    These 2 right? You sure u read it from the Scenario side to get all 3 of them Q&A session??

    http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/ps3jp/imgs/d/9/d9ee3c36.jpg

  • Noctis

    what? your not making any sense. Its ok everything will be fine

  • Noctis

    Ok also if this is only for Japan.

    Who would like to battle with a cup noodle head?

    Fans—–>>> WE WANT VERSUS OUTFITS

    Business division 2.p1—–> Hey what about a Sombrero outfit or even more useless stuff like A cup noodle head?

    Business division 2.p2——-> What? People where asking for Versus outfits but yeah haha lets give those idiots a cup noodle head.

    Tabata—–> No Versus objects in my game!!! Lets give them more ridiculous objects. I have an idea for the next outfit, A Sushi outfit!!!!

  • Noctis

    Isn`t it obvious what happened offscreen? They all dressed with some sombrero heads and cupd noodles head and all went down some died…..

  • Swoosh Dutch

    this game was just such a wast of dev time in all honesty, and these petty excuses dont make it any better. 1st things 1st the game is heavily directed to the main story that makes the open world such a moot point, actually it makes the open world feel slightly out of place in all honesty..(i miss the days of secret story lines and secret characters, im looking at you vincent valentine and yuffie (ff7) and even secret unlocks, like golden chocobo taming or ultimate magic/summons, im looking at you knights of the round)……. no party system? like realy….this is a ff game….in my experience the best ff experience where not about 1 single character but are supposed to be a story as a whole, the villain(s), the world, and the friends you make along the way should all play key roles in a good ff game….the combat is also soooo out of place for a FF game…i can see the action based game play working well in a multiplayer envoirment (mmo) but lets be honest it just shouldnt be in a single player ff game…ff games are to kick back and relax (in my experience)…magic is utterly meaningless the way it is now because it will just hurt your team mates that have a AI so dumbed down you wonder if they can even remember to breath…summons are close to meaningless…come to think of it the only thing ff15 realy has going for it are the graphics….the rest just leaves a lot to desire as a ff fan….oh yeah big fat plot hole….if everyone needs the kings ring to do magic,,,how is it noctis can summon magic weapons out of thin air and use magic whilest no one is currently using the ring (just after his father dies) ? because the story says you need the kings ring to be used by a king for anyone to be able to use ANY magic at all….

  • Swoosh Dutch

    i realy hope ff7 remake does not become a cluster fuck like this game….at least they have a super strong story to build on, if they fuck it up im out and done with any new ff games…and im not even expecting it to be perfect, just dont skip any key moments of the game and ill be good to go, i can live with action based combat but would much rather prefer a modernised turn based…..

  • Noctis

    I don`t even want to beginn battling about which gameplay is better. BUT as far as i know FF7 remake has kingdom hearts dissidia battle system. Oh and after the supposed success of 15 action based is fine for the new fan base.

    But I agree on the other points you mentioned.

  • Swoosh Dutch

    meh i just dont realy care too much for action based combat in a ff game..i prefer to just kick back and chill, i got in to the ff series because its a rpg game now its starting to feel like a action game with rpg elements slapped on to it

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  • Bagfullofair

    Totally agreed, After trying to play the game again, what I can conclude is that the game play is just too disconnected to the story. The main story is just straight up depressing from the beginning to the end, there is no this calm arc in the story where we can relax and get to know about the characters a little bit more. While the gameplay is all very wubbly bubbly holly jolly fun adventure with bunch of side quests. Even from the dialogues during the “time freeze” (the time in-between the main story quests) sounds like they are having fun all the time.

    Well if you only play the main quests, probably you won’t feel the disconnection. But this one is an open world where you are supposed to explore and spend more time in it, you fish, you cook, you camp, you do side quests yet they all hold no connection to the story at all. With so little and unclear story telling going on, compared to soo many things you can do in the open world, makes it feels disconnected to the story completely.

    In the previous series, you are forced to continue the main quest in order to get to the higher level so that you don’t lose track on the story. In this one, you can even get to level 60 or higher in chapter 2(endless side quests, exp boost recipes, and cactuar that are pretty much introduced at the beginning of the story), this makes the gameplay feels more important than the main story. Well it’s up to the player tho whether to continue or just farm for more, but with all those offers, you can’t help it but get carried away (Is it just me?)

    I don’t know how to explain this, there’s a problem with the pacing I guess…

    I’m fine with the gameplay if only the story could connect more with it, the half baked story just makes the game straight up a waste of time…I hope what I’m saying make sense…LOL

  • •december

    yes!

  • •december

    Yep I know he is, that’s why i’m looking to the future.

  • •december

    http://www.novacrystallis.com/2017/02/final-fantasy-xv-survey-wants-opinion-post-release-content/

    ^Guys, it’s time to answer the FFXV survey. Forget about this dumb interview…

  • •december

    Nope.

  • •december

    Also btw, that pic of Noctis arguing with Gladiolus is so fitting, lol.
    10/10.

  • Noctis

    no don`t forget this interview and then answer the survey^^

  • Aleister Crowley

    C’mon Tabata, might as well be honest and say “We tried new stuff, some of it worked, some of it didn’t” and leave it at that.

    Trying to fully justify failure by saying everything was intentional is just bad form.

  • Ulises

    “Based on calculations that the development TIME and COST would double if the latter half of the game was to be an open-world environment as well” I knew it, they just didn’t had the TIME or the CASH to fill that clay map with content so they gave us one “well-done half” and then just completely rushed the other one, they bit more than they can chew. Telling you that it was on purpose just shows how stupid Tabata and Square-Enix thinks you are…

  • Meta

    And this is pretty much why gave up on Square and moved on to other JRPG devs that actually gives a shit about their games and fan reception

    Yes some are niche but I rather support Atlus and the SMTPersona franchise over giving Square money for bullcrap like this

  • Ulises

    How is this interview dumb and why should we forget it? because it’s not all about praising FFXV, Tabata or Square Enix in general? The only “Dumb” thing here is Tabata-SE lying so blatantly to the fanboys and they believing in them…

  • But the plotholes in this one were too much. I really need them to do better with 16.

  • BIMPY KING OF LORDS

    This installment would almost be considered first person point of view. We can infer things taking place on Eos with what Noctis saw and experienced. Nocrtis is protagonist who doesn’t want to open up, let alone know how. Meanwhile, we approach difficulty in understanding the other characters outside his view point with the same amount of internal explorations, as we can’t hop into their head to see their thoughts or opinions, nor see/experience what they see/experience. Yes there are curvaceous here and there, but they don’t linger. They are rather jaring as well not because of the murky information, which is intentional, behind them but the fact Noctis is no longer our central playable view point. He’s not in the present observing those scenes; he physically can’t. We can only have a full picture if Noctis receives that information on a first hand basis.

  • Lucas Romero

    It’s not Tabata this is a PR stunt that Square is making Tabata say, like WB did to Ben Affleck on him stepping down from Directing The Batman.

  • Lucas Romero

    Believe me, Tabata did not want to do this. He makes fantastic game’s from Fantastic Scripts from great writers like Crisis Core which shits all over The original Final Fantasy Game. Where we are given development and motives to feel attached to the characters. Look at Advent Children, then look at Crisis Core. Nomura Directed Advent Children with a Nojima Script, and Tabata directed Crisis Core with a Nojima script. Look who did the better job and Crisis Core is the best selling PSP Title and may I dare say the best Handheld Game of all time?

  • Lucas Romero

    Final Fantasy X did what XV tried to do, the entire story of X is told through Tidus’ perspective besides 1 scene. Tidus like you knows nothing about Spira and what’s going on or what will happen to Yuna.

  • DimariaXV

    How can it be rushed if they developed the game based on the calculation of time and cost they did?
    Rushed would be having both elements and Square releasing the game before the team could used both resources completely.

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  • Leslie Chan

    After trying to search everywhere for the whole interview…
    i realize that i miss the last part of this post:

    >For more from Tabata including the “how and why” behind some of the team’s other unconventional decisions, be sure to check out the March 2017 issue of Game Informer.

    so pretty much….. this is just like a teaser of what Game Informer highlighting ONE PART of the whole interview right?

    Are we too over react for this one answer before we read the whole thing? if after we read the whole this is his final answer then said FUCK YOU Tabata! i understand….

    right now i think is just a promo of the next issue right? (or is already on sale in the market?? even though the answer sound very similar of what he mention during the Final Fantasy 30th anniversary Fami tsu issue in Japan to me.)

    or we can found all the whole interview in the net? if yes pls give me a link, i want to read the whole thing. Since the Globe manager of XV Mr. Daito kind of making a good job and careful on PR part, i don’t think will let Tabata just randomly said this without a good explaination…

  • Patrick Bateman

    “We didn’t want to create a comprehensive and perfectly balanced story in this game. ”

    that right there is WHY this game ultimately failed imo.

    I could get past the beautiful-yet empty open world and it’s dull inhabitants.
    I could get past the re-skinned weapons, particularly the “end game” weapons.
    I could get past 80% of the game being boring repetitive fetch-me side quests.
    I could get past the pointless Hunts you could only do 1 at a time.
    I could get past the horribly designed “raid” dungeons after you beat the game ( Not talking about The Pitioss Ruins, that was fun/challenging, sometimes annoying with clunky controls but different and rewarding in the end)

    What I CAN’T get over, is the terrible broken story and character developments….and the fact that now it appears they MEANT for it to be like that. When I play ANY Final Fantasy game, it’s to get lost and immersed into the story, characters and world…i swear to god if they go the same rout with FFVII’s remake I’m done with Square. I know it’s a different team, and different because FFVII already HAS a completed story and characters most of us all know inside out, but because of FFXV’s “ass kissing” reviews FFXV got WAY more praise than it deserved and CONTINUES to get over hyped, which is a perfect reason for them to reference or model the Remake after.

    I have no problem with people who enjoyed the game as an RPG overall, to each there own, but DON’T tell me there’s absolutely nothing wrong with the game and it’s story. ( this is towards the inevitable Square-ass-kisser who will comment on my post ) If you believe this game is worthy of the Final Fantasy title and believe everything wrong is somehow justified or doesn’t exist then you just have shit taste in games.

  • Patrick Bateman

    the off-pacing is definitely part of it, but the main issue is the story being told through Noctis’s eyes…you know what he knows, which is really NOTHING throughout the entire game. Imo it’s the main reason why the main villain is one of the WORST in the series, he’s an enigma the whole game, i get his reasoning for being bad when he explains it in the end, i just don’t care because they never give us a REASON to care, he has no personality-there’s no build up or character development, he’s just good/doesn’t care/mysterious and then bad…people comparing him to Sephiroth are high lmao the only thing they have in common is they both feel betrayed and are driven to madness and despair, and are both “immortal”.

  • •december

    March issues usually come out in February, April in March etc. So I’m guessing you’re right… I would like a link to the full interview too!

  • Invictus

    Point taken. Even more so, you get more background from the side characters in FFX compared to this.

  • Bagfullofair

    Yeah, bad storytelling is soo unlike square enix at all.
    I think they are trying too hard on the gameplay side that they probably spend lesser time on the story development. To tell the truth, I’d rather not having all those awesome cool graphics and that open world thingy than incomplete messy story. I get that they are trying to show some breakthrough to the fans, but the final product is just far from expectation.

    They teased us with these cool cutscenes from the game, and some other cool stuff, and at the end, BAM, most of them aren’t there! Lol!
    Well, we don’t really know what’s going on down there, they’re probably having bunch of problems that they cannot share with us… But I hope they can come up with something to do this game justice….

  • Ljotur

    I have shit taste in games :'(

  • Ulises

    Don’t let them fool you, there was no calculation, they just realized it was too late to fill the whole map with content so they just rushed the second half (not all of it but still a pretty big chunk) and the game reflects it pretty well, (that should be obvious to most of us who have played the game). The development team couldn’t use the other continents completely, you only get to see like 5% of them, the disparity between the content that was put in Lucis and the lame few hours of “content” you find in the rest of the game is exactly what should be telling you that they rushed the second half, that’s why it’s rushed and that’s the reason why you never got to explore places and cities like Tenebrae wich I bet you expected to do so back then when you saw the trailers and even when you bought the game.

  • Ulises

    Still Tabata sucks…

  • Lucas Romero

    So the Director of Crisis Core which is the best Final Fantasy game sucks?

  • Lucas Romero

    Turn Based Combat doesn’t define RPG, it’s the mechanics not the combat. Do you even know what a Role Playing Game actually is?

  • Lucas Romero

    Yes, Tabata did fail on this front. The Side Quests give you some on the world like the Photography ones but that’s really it. The Royal Tombs give you no backstory on the kings, or the difference between the Gods and the Astrals (I swear that was a last minute change as the gods were different in Kingsglaive as Regis had a painting of Etro) If Square didn’t make Tabata change the script they had in 2014 and 2015 game would of been fucking epic. but Here come SJW’s forcing square to change the plot. Even though they won’t play it. If they were gonna make him rewrite an already rewritten game at least extend the fucking deadline.

  • Ulises

    Yes, completely. Maybe he didn’t sucked back then but he does now, and big time btw.

  • Pin this post to the top. This all that needs to be said.

  • Patrick Bateman

    totally agree! I always said from the start I don’t care if the characters have blemishes or realistic pores LOL it doesn’t matter how realistic or beautiful the graphics or environment is if the overall story is shit…. i got excited every time i entered a dungeon, only to find out there was really no point of going in there…like EVERY FF game has some dungeons that are necessary for story and a few that are just there to explore and maybe find a secret summon or special magic skill or SOMETHING worth wile, a cool boss. But in this game every dungeon was ” hey i wonder what’s in here? shouldn’t we be going to Altisia though? lets check it out!”…they were pointless.. OOOO a reskinned boss and some EXP/gold MAN totally worth it!

    also kills me every time i see these amazing environment spectacles like the giant volcano, or the meteor crater or all these awesome environments you see while driving thinking ” man i can’t wait to see the story and reason behind going to these places later on!” only to be disappointed… the only place that really had any reason of going to was getting Titan..the others are just there to look nice or be used in paid DLC down the road…yeah think it’s safe to say i was overall disappointed with this game haha :p

  • UVERs

    Main issue is that all the majority praising it are of a different generation practically oblivious to what constitutes a shiity game and what makes a good one, not just in terms of FF but RPG games in general

  • UVERs

    Main thing that pisses me off is that you never get to explore insomnia properly and its been the in all the trailers since 2006

  • UVERs

    It was a psp game you can’t compare it to a AAA ps4 release, main problem with Tabata no experience making a game on this scale/level he only ever made handheld games

  • Patrick Bateman

    agree….it’s really a sad situation for the gaming community because this younger generation is shaping the industry, games like Destiny and THIS shouldn’t be considered AAA games….I know MANY will disagree but I’m not saying this stuff to troll or just be negative, I’m an avid gamer, I’ve been playing since I was 6, I’m passionate about games and WANT series like Final Fantasy and even the new Zelda to succeed. From what I’ve been reading about the new Zelda game i’m worried it’s slowly adopting this new “big empty worlds with infinite/repetitive side quest/grind and liner story” that games like Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid have become…THAT’S NOT GOOD GAMING.

  • Patrick Bateman

    “Crisis Core which shits all over The original Final Fantasy Game.”

    you mean shit’s over like the NES Final Fantasy? or shit’s over Final Fantasy VII for PS1…either way HAHAHAH.

    Don’t get me wrong, Crisis Core is a great game, and would have more credit if Genesis didn’t ruin it lol that said Crisis Core is 1 good game out of Tabata’s failures.. ( 3rd Birthday, Type-0, FFXV ) I’m not saying failure based on sales, i’m saying failure based on the fact that those games were all shit. People avidly try to pretend 3rd Birthday isn’t tied to Parasite Eve or even exists. Why they made an HD of Type-0 I’ll never understand, but the fact that it was shot into the bargain bin so close after launch pretty much proves my point…if anything most people who bought it, got it for the XV demo.

    based on his directed games “He makes fantastic game’s from Fantastic Scripts” sounds like fanboy talk bub.

    also “Crisis Core is the best selling PSP Title and may I dare say the best Handheld Game of all time?” doesn’t really mean anything because PSP had some really shitty games, especially around that time sooo…..i don’t really know what you’re comparing Crisis Core too, I AGREE it’s the best PSP game imo, but that’s not really anything to be bragged about, it’s like saying Wario Land was the best Virtual Boy game….and to say the best handheld game of all time..HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!

  • Patrick Bateman

    i see your point about the newspapers and radios and what not, but that doesn’t necessarily make it a GOOD choice is what you seem to be missing lol you may be fine with it…not everyone will be though. I’m sorry but the broken story content in XV is NOT great man lmao the inconsistencies between Kingsglave and XV, Ravus, Luna, Emperor Iedolas , the gods were all a DISASTER and even though the reasoning for the most part has been explained ( last minute changes, rushed to make the release date, too many story edits, people unhappy about the whole gods reference ) that STILL doesn’t make what we got as an end product okay….it’s the same with what happened to Destiny, i don’t care what anyone says that game was BUTCHERED and mutated into a dull slot machine for Console. AAA Games that have been hyped for YEARS shouldn’t be released until they are COMPLETE…and FFXV is 100% one of them. I would’ve gladly waited for a more complete game, after playing it i’m sure many would agree, even after it’s insanely long development.

    You keep bringing up other FF games that had plot holes and inconsistencies which is fair, but they STILL had engaging stories and gameplay despite having plot holes. I had to play FFVII like 5 times before the whole Compilation thing started because the NA version was outsourced to another company to translate the game and they did a really shit job, so unless you read Ultimania’s or got answers from the spin offs the story was really messy BUT STILL managed to make people give a damn about the world and characters. I only played FF9 once, but from what I remember I don’t recall any plot holes, not saying they don’t exist but they obviously didn’t hamper my enjoyment of the over-all game. XV unfortunately didn’t have an engaging enough story to do the same for many.

    also 13 had shitty gameplay and the intro was pretty ” let’s just THROW you into a story without explaining anything!” but overall ( if you could stomach pushing through the game ) the story ended up being pretty awesome. in comparison, way better than XV’s by a LONG shot.

  • gunjydna93

    I want Gladio’s versus sword. Why did they take that out??

  • SiliconNooB

    As a huge fan of FF back when Squaresoft and Enix were two separate entities, it is really good to see people being critical of the series direction with XV. I was half worried to read the comment section, since most fan sites seem to lavish universal praise on franchises on account of name recognition alone – but it seems that XV was a bridge too far for even many of the diehard FF fans out there.

    Perhaps that should come as no surprise given how poorly the game has sold in its domestic market. The game seems unfinished, and does not feel recognisable as a Final Fantasy.

  • Patrick Bateman

    Yes 100% agree! I had some friends who never got into Final Fantasy and were thinking about starting with this, while they have a right to like or play what ever they want, I made it my mission to at least let them know that this game does NOT reflect the series despite what the intro states ” a Final Fantasy for fans, and first timers.” It was more a game for First-Timers than fans. This is why so many fans dislike the game and first-timers are loving it.

    It boggles my mind how so many people can be so accepting, and defensive with this game. People will argue ” what does it matter what other people like, how does it effect you?” well it effects ME and people like ME if this is the new direction Square plans to go from here on out…Unfortunately it seems like-minded people are being ignored and articles about how ****won’t say their name for spoilers sake**** is regarded among one of the BEST all time villains in Final Fantasy history and “this is the Final Fantasy we’ve all been waiting for” are taking the spotlight.

  • SiliconNooB

    It felt like a Japanese reinterpretation of Witcher III, only with much worse combat, writing, and a latter half that was clearly unfinished.

    You only need look at the size of the game’s patches to see how unfinished the game was when it launched – and this is despite the fact that it was delayed by three months to ostensibly ensure that the full and complete game was pressed to retail discs!

    What would the game have even looked like if that delay did not occur?!

  • Patrick Bateman

    yeah, i personally don’t think Western companies should be making JRPG’s and Japanese companies shouldn’t be making Western RPG’s, I did read that the team behind FFXV referenced the Witcher 3 and played a lot of it while making this game too, which I would have never guessed since they’re nothing alike aside from being action based combat and “open” world lmao.

    The main open world map for FFXV was slightly bigger than the biggest map ( 1 of MANY open world levels ) in Dragon Age Inquisition….I loved Dragon Age Inquisition, and loved the size of the maps for every continent or province you could go to, i spent HOURS exploring the first major area because the map was MASSIVE and full of people and enemies and things to do. Was it repetitive at times? sure, but at least you always felt like what ever you were doing had a purpose towards your charterer’s development and story, and allies views on you too…in FFXV i didn’t give 2 fucks about catching no damn frogs or doing those terrible “Raids” after i beat the game because aside from ” do this because i want it” or ” do this to get a good weapon AFTER you already finished the game” there really wasn’t any real drive or point in doing it..they didn’t have any impact on the over-all game, heck half the people don’t even know what their price/king looks like and when they DO find out who Noctis is, they treat him like shit and he LETS THEM LOL

  • Swoosh Dutch

    True but turn based is what used to pretty much define a traditional ff game…amd pokemon games pretty much prove that a turn based game can still work in todays market.

  • UVERs

    well MGS5 was unfinished but that game was still pretty amazing even more amazing considering it also came out on ps3/x360, it makes me wonder how FF15 released in the state it did after all that time and still not be better than the likes of MGS5, I give up on square though bigger fan of Atlus and Bamco’s Tales now

  • Holowknite

    he made 3rd birthday and type-0,the worst of their series

  • Lucas Romero

    Even though every review site gives FF XV 8 or 9’s?

  • Lucas Romero

    They have been making profit ever since Day 2. They Broke Even Day 1.

  • Dennis Gurkis Johansson

    Tabata ur an evil genius. A perfectly balanced story would lead to applauds caviats and best game ever yay 10/10 after all that the game would fade into memory. This way they get to hold our attention, give us peices of the puzzle over time, like it or not we are all starving for more of the story be it payed or free. Well played tabby, lookin forward to what else you can cook up this year.

  • jtc

    Totally agree. I was hoping FFXV to turn out like FFXII when it first came out. Hidden Espers + Hidden Weapons + Hunts + a BIG open world full of inhabitants.+ over 70 to 100 hours of playtime + Index of lore and Bestiaries….. But it lacked all of it.

  • Patrick Bateman

    100% agree! I don’t care what anyone says I LOVED XII, aside from Vaan who really felt less like a main character and more of a side kick lol everything else about the game was great, ( ESPECIALLY THE STORY! and cutscenes, felt like something right out of a movie and was epic and entertaining ) the side quests and hunts were actually FUN, were some of the quests repetitive/fetch-me’s? sure but they were nowhere near as dull and boring as 15’s. I don’t have a PS4 ( plan on getting one when they HOPEFULLY announce a FFVII Remake special system, i know i’ll be waiting forever haha ) but i totally plan on getting the XII HD Remaster when i get a PS4.

  • GreySolidusSnake

    I’m going to say it right now.

    XIII was a better game than XV.

    Hands down.

  • CogInTheWheel

    No doubt about it, they’re not paying for costs any more and that’s good. That is not a companies goal when they release a product that was a decade in the making though, they may need a really big number that gets closer to Tomb Raider levels of ridiculous expectations.

  • bitman

    Well, maybe “sell” the parts of the story that involve Episode Gladio, Prompto and Ignis… and Comrades, but yeah, they said that they’ll add the story bits as free updates with the second big update (Which I’m pretty positive will come out around the time of Episode Prompto, if this pattern is the same as Brotherhood episodes coming out at each big event, this time each update coming out WITH the DLC episodes).
    Whatever the reason may be, I’m so happy that they’re still working hard with most of the original team, listening to feedback and making the game the best it could be.
    It’s sad though, that they just didn’t have enough time to include ALL of these updates into the original release… I’m not salty at all about the story stuff, I actually enjoyed it all the way through, but you know, the small things like free-driving Regalia, personal camera for Noctis, further-improved camera, gameplay tweeks for Chapter 13, bigger font (that one is just nitpicking, obviously) and you know, that kind of stuff. For me the game’s still a 10/10 through and through, and with the new stuff that’s coming up, it’ll get EVEN better!
    Also, big apologize for NC for being so negative before, I haven’t read the original article, but you just passed the information to us for free and I’m always thankful for that.
    The community here, now that’s another story!

  • WindSplash

    Versus setting and lore had to do with the Nova Fabula mythos and they scrapped that. In a single trailer Noctis has more interaction with Stella than with Luna in an entire game. You base yourself on pure trailers rather than actually investigating.

    Where was it said? Way back in 2010
    http://gematsu.com/2010/06/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-scenario-complete-confirms-dengeki
    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/101752-Final-Fantasy-Versus-XIII-Story-Complete-After-Four-Years

    Lol, you are small time.

  • WindSplash

    Tabata fucked up anon. And Crisis core was not the best final fantasy that is your pure subject opinion on the matter.
    He changed the story, characters and stuff out of his pure liking.

  • WindSplash

    gaming journalism in this decade it’s a payed joke

  • I base my argument on what Nomura, Nojima and Tabata had to say about it then, and now with the Ultimania interviews. You know, like in the actual interviews and not random (and incomplete) news from websites.

    What Nojima completed was the initial draft for the script. Obviously, that needed revisions as it was a draft, as they barely had the storyboard for the trailers showed (Versus trailers, that is), which in turn was just Nomura directing and coming up with his vision from the few details Nojima revealed from the draft in progress (remember, the trailers were released as the draft was being working on, which should be obvious just by looking at the dates from your links; 2010 the one from gematsu, while there are trailers from 2006, indicating that the draft was a work in progress while the trailers were being made with Nomura’s vision only).

    Eventually, they changed the script (they even brought another writer), and FNC stuff removed from the title, along with the change in name. Also, you are pretty much shitposting with this:

    > Versus setting and lore had to do with the Nova Fabula mythos

    Versus was a FNC title. With the changes made (after changing title name), FFXV was not going to be a FNC title, but it would share some parts of the original FNC mythos.

    http://imgur.com/a/KdfyU

    So, before talking nonsense, go bring actual proof that can back up your argument, and not your headcanon fanfic where Versus was released. lol

    P.D.: You have zero proof, and info, about what Versus was comprised of. Like I said, the lamests chapters on FFXV already have way more character development and plot than all of Versus’ trailers combined.

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    If only because it had a beginning, middle and end, and plot-critical cutscenes weren’t patched in post-launch. Also they didn’t make you run around in samey cement corridors for like 2 hours alone, in FFXIII.

  • Funtime Happysnacks

    Well the game has sold 6 million worldwide, but most of those sales are likely just on the brand name alone.

  • SiliconNooB

    I contributed to that number by buying the game, and I regret having done so.

  • PitaChan

    >based on my argument.
    happens to be disapproven by replier.
    >completed the initial draft
    despite Nomura stating that the story was finished.

    >talking nonesense and headcanons.
    >Zero proof.

    But Versus WAS a part of the nova fabula compilation. Even in the trailers they talk about Etros and that’s how Versus was anounced was it not?
    Also arguing about a full game having more than a few trailers LMAO, are XV faggs so insecure?

  • Is it a sockpuppet or just another random user who just parrots about anything without actual proof?

    Anyway…
    > happens to be disapproven by replier.
    He/she didn’t bring proof (that other user). He/she just brought a link with the following: “According to the magazine, the game’s scenario is fully complete. We’re guessing that means the story and script are fully written and finished.”

    So, his/her proof is just a random editor, from a random website, saying that they guess the “completed scenario” part, mentioned in another JP magazine, probably means the script and the story are completed.

    On the other hand, I brought an actual interview from the Ultimania, with Nomura, saying how they brought another writer before the change (FFXV), and how after said change Tabata and Nojima developed and completed the script for FFXV.

    >despite Nomura stating that the story was finished.
    Yes, finished. So finished that they needed another writer, and in the end the draft was axed and had to be changed with yet another writer more for the team.

    Read the Ultimania and try again.

  • Layal Pearl

    Somehow i agree with your opinion , the story is quiet not complete and when all the characters died at the end , or assumed to be dead unless hajime tabata will do a sequel of it, it really annoyed me as a gamer i built up feelings with these main characters that played to level them up or so.The open world is really incredible and we cannot forget the fact that final fantasy XIII was not that good ,and final fantasy XV is way better.

    Would like to note something , Final Fantasy XII is really unique sadly didnt get the high rank rating, they should do a sequel for it beside the remaster .I’m so in love with its gambits system I mean how cool to be a sky pirate 😀 they should do something 🙁

  • Patrick Bateman

    absolutely love FFXII, the battle is easy, but unique and still fun, also had an amazing story ( felt very Star Wars which isn’t a complaint haha i know some people hated that aspect ) and even XIII had a decent enjoyable story once you finally got into it, but it was very hard to get into though and enjoy because of the HORRIBLE gameplay and weapon system. i ended up playing it like 4 years after release even though i Pre-ordered it because I had nothing else to do and learned to enjoy the confusing story haha )

    Aside from Gladio ( because he was a major hypocritical cunt near the end with the whole Ignis thing, totally wasn;t Noct’s fault and Gladio left the Kings side to fight Gilgamesh so stfu Gladio haha he was really pissing me off through that whole Malboro swamp… ) I did sort of care for the others, I cared for Noct at least even with his ” I don’t care…” attitude, I agree the way they ended things was incredibly lame and a let down. Just bugs me that if they made this game’s story RIGHT ( not realistically from Nocts point of view where if he doesn’t know something, we don’t either) this game COULD HAVE been the best FF to date. It has soo much potential.

    I’m sure I already brought it up in other comments but I don’t even know where to begin with Arydn, he was so lame, didn’t make me care for him like I care for Sephiroth for example and can sympathize with him. I just Hated Arydn and wished he’d hurry up and die LOL

  • Boogie

    YUR A FUKIN MORON!!!!

  • Zen

    =/ biggest disappointment since Diablo 3 for me..
    i just took one look at this game and thought: wow….. this shit looks…. EXTREMELY homosexual.
    i cant believe i used to tell my friends about how good final fantasy was trying to get them into it.. fucking embarrassing…

    time for some new talent i think or for me to find a new favorite series of games
    been waiting a decade and all they have produced is complete trash…

  • John Smith

    You know what’s the worst thing? That SE lied COMPLETELY about this game.
    Since the VERY BEGINNING they advertised this game as it’s going to be a Shakespearean tragedy the DARKEST and the SADDEST Final Fantasy EVER made.
    They promised that the characters will make decisions with QUESTIONABLE morals and that instead of the journey and fantasy they will concentrate on the HUMAN SIDE of the characters.
    They always advertised this game THIS WAY.
    Even the the OMEN trailer showcased a WAY darker tone and ACTUAL BLOOD both of which completely missed from the game.
    Why would they lie to us about this? Why would they promise it for 10 years that this is going to be the DARKEST and SADDEST FF game? Why would they make us hopeful about a really amazingly written extremely beautiful story with characters that would have a very heavy human side to them instead of the generic bullshit we got ended up with FFXV?
    What about the character deaths? They told us that no one is going to be safe and that a lot of our friends will die on the journey and that it’s going to be heartbreaking and very dark.
    And they NEVER said anything about the MASSIVE change. Nothing at all.
    This is COMPLETELY FALSE ADVERTISEMENT!!!
    I have been always a HUGE Final Fantasy fan. I bought all the games I have posters and figures about my favorite characters and a huge collection.
    I bought the books the anime’s everything because I loved the world they represented and because they NEVER failed to amaze me.
    But this. This was a VERY DISGUSTING move and a COMPLETE BETRAYAL towards the REAL and LOYAL fans of the franchise!!! This was the LAST time I bought ANYTHING from Square Enix. Never again.
    I can only hope that one day they will realise the mistake they made and that karma will punish them properly for what have they done to their REAL fans. I’ve NEVER seen such a disgusting move EVER where they mislead the fans so much to sell their product.

  • John Smith

    Exactly. It’s DISGUSTING what did they do with the game. They advertised this game as it’s going to be a Shakespearean like very SAD TRAGEDY and that this is going to be the DARKEST and SADDEST and MOST MATURE Final Fantasy game EVER made.
    They said they will concentrate on the HUMAN side of the characters and that they are going to make decisions that would sometimes make US question about their Morality.
    They also promised that some characters that might be very close to us will betray us or they will die completely random.
    That the relationship will seem really natural and real because they really want to make this story that would concentrate on THE HUMAN TRAGEDY.
    Instead we got a shitty game made for the oversensitive millennials with a very bright and heroic story that has absolutely no dark turns in it has nothing to do with the Shakespearean stories completely censored to the point where there is NOT ONE DROP OF BLOOD even tho they promised that it’s going to be R RATED and that there will be DEFINITELY BLOOD since the VERY BEGINNING and the characters where cardboard cut outs to appeal the new generation.
    And they have NEVER said ANYTHING about the tone shift. They NEVER told us that they are planning to change the game’s nature from the DARKEST and SADDEST game into a bright colorful hero’s journey,
    In fact even their last trailer released before the release of the game which called OMEN still have BLOOD in it and seem like the game has a VERY DARK tone to it and REAL sadness.
    They have COMPLETELY lied to us blatantly and they except us not to say anything about it. They are completely disgusting and they should deserve to get sued for FALSE ADVERTISEMENT!!!!
    I’ve never seen such a disgusting move towards the REAL FANS of the franchise from ANY OTHER company EVER.
    Really I can’t bring up ANYTHING that was so disgusting and lied so much to their fans.
    I REALLY hope that Square Enix will get this back somehow with a terrible karma which they will NEVER recover from. This is completely unacceptable!!!!

  • John Smith

    Let me just copy my earlier comment since I feel like this is completely relevant to what you just said.
    “It’s DISGUSTING what did they do with the game. They advertised this game as it’s going to be a Shakespearean like very SAD TRAGEDY and that this is going to be the DARKEST and SADDEST and MOST MATURE Final Fantasy game EVER made.
    They said they will concentrate on the HUMAN side of the characters and that they are going to make decisions that would sometimes make US question about their Morality.
    They also promised that some characters that might be very close to us will betray us or they will die completely random.
    That the relationship will seem really natural and real because they really want to make this story that would concentrate on THE HUMAN TRAGEDY.
    Instead we got a shitty game made for the oversensitive millennials with a very bright and heroic story that has absolutely no dark turns in it has nothing to do with the Shakespearean stories completely censored to the point where there is NOT ONE DROP OF BLOOD even tho they promised that it’s going to be R RATED and that there will be DEFINITELY BLOOD since the VERY BEGINNING and the characters where cardboard cut outs to appeal the new generation.
    And they have NEVER said ANYTHING about the tone shift. They NEVER told us that they are planning to change the game’s nature from the DARKEST and SADDEST game into a bright colorful hero’s journey,
    In fact even their last trailer released before the release of the game which called OMEN still have BLOOD in it and seem like the game has a VERY DARK tone to it and REAL sadness.
    They have COMPLETELY lied to us blatantly and they except us not to say anything about it. They are completely disgusting and they should deserve to get sued for FALSE ADVERTISEMENT!!!!”
    Tabata and Square Enix itself is freaking disgusting liars and I just cannot comprehend how could ANYONE protect them after what they have done.
    This game had NOTHING to do with what they’ve been promised. NOTHING.
    I do REALLY hope that they will get this back with a bad KARMA that they will get such a bad time that they will never recover and would lose all of their assets.
    I really wish that to this disgusting liar company who treats their REAL LOYAL fans like trash.
    I will never buy ANYTHING from this company no matter what game they release under their name.

  • John Smith

    Dude just leave it. Tabata and SE is completely disgusting little shit eating bastards.
    Let me tell you something what they did with this game from the beginning. I just going to copy my comment from earlier read it to understand why REAL fans really hate what they have done with this shitty excuse of a game.
    “It’s DISGUSTING what did they do with the game. They advertised this game as it’s going to be a Shakespearean like very SAD TRAGEDY and that this is going to be the DARKEST and SADDEST and MOST MATURE Final Fantasy game EVER made.
    They said they will concentrate on the HUMAN side of the characters and that they are going to make decisions that would sometimes make US question about their Morality.
    They also promised that some characters that might be very close to us will betray us or they will die completely random.
    That the relationship will seem really natural and real because they really want to make this story that would concentrate on THE HUMAN TRAGEDY.
    Instead we got a shitty game made for the oversensitive millennials with a very bright and heroic story that has absolutely no dark turns in it has nothing to do with the Shakespearean stories completely censored to the point where there is NOT ONE DROP OF BLOOD even tho they promised that it’s going to be R RATED and that there will be DEFINITELY BLOOD since the VERY BEGINNING and the characters where cardboard cut outs to appeal the new generation.
    And they have NEVER said ANYTHING about the tone shift. They NEVER told us that they are planning to change the game’s nature from the DARKEST and SADDEST game into a bright colorful hero’s journey,
    In fact even their last trailer released before the release of the game which called OMEN still have BLOOD in it and seem like the game has a VERY DARK tone to it and REAL sadness.
    They have COMPLETELY lied to us blatantly and they except us not to say anything about it. They are completely disgusting and they should deserve to get sued for FALSE ADVERTISEMENT!!!!”

  • Dzung Nguyen

    I feel your pain and I have the same feeling but Nier Automata replace FF series and it brings me back to the feeling of ff6-10. You wont regret. i wished SE have more funding to drakenguard/Nier series so that Yoko Taro can remake Nier and collab with Platinum game,

  • Hitoshi Oshiro

    If the base game is from Noctis’ Point of View, why do we see Ravus and Ardyn talk before the group arrives in Altissia. The same goes for all the Luna Cutscenes. None of the members even seen any of the cutscenes I just mentioned but Tabata insists the Game is based on the four friend’s Point of Views. He even Points towards Noctis’ POV even more, but all the cutscenes and trailers that have been seen so far tell us that we’ve been lead on a story that is in the POV of the Modern gamers and not the embracing characters that FFXV could have emphasised on better. The whole games Fan-Service for Newcomers who after playing FFXV For the first time think they know what a final fantasy game is supposed to be like. Where’s the cunning plot twists that SE Enix gave us when they made JRPG’s, now they’ve taken the “J” from JRPG and just began a cycle of westernized RPG’s from Japan. I could use an evil Clone of Noctis right about now. Maybe a Multiplayer Fighter for the ten years Noctis Goes into a blank state. I could be happy with a side story where we go inside Noctis’ head, meet Luna who said she’d wait for us in a dreamworld, fight real life players who play as Noct too, The other players have a red evil glow around them symbolizes the battle of good and evil, and the Noct we play as meets all the human forms of the summons, like Shiva’s Gentiana. Noctis gains the power of the Crystal and we learn of Ardyn’s betrayal through a spiritual Apprehition.

  • Lavo

    Sooo basically Tabata thinks we are retards. I would be more satisfied if he said “Our deadline was coming and we could not finish the story in time but we will be adding content to flesh out the story throughout the year”. Instead, he gives a crappy excuse. That makes it worst for him because it shows how bad he is at storytelling. You never tell a story from ONLY the main character point of view. You need to develop the other characters to give the audience more information about motives, personalities, motivations, connections to the main character, etc. We need information of supporting characters and villains.

    Tabata needs to just admit that he screwed up. I wish they stuck with FF13 Versus. That game looked awesome.